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The Dead Know Nothing

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
mentally close minded and having exacting and rigid absolutes. the only Absolute is that there is no absolutes in knowledge.

Actually, "spiritually dead" means cut off from God. They walk by their own deceitful hearts and minds (Jeremiah 17:9). You will know them by their fruits. (Matthew 7:20). They think their perversions are of God. When in affect, they are of their own demons, unclean spirits. The demons see their end, and are in a panic, throwing the mental stability of their host into disruption. There are "absolutes", but just no stability in the wicked.

Jeremiah 17:…9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure—who can understand it? 10I, the LORD, search the heart; I test the mind to reward a man according to his way, by what his deeds deserve.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
maybe that old quote speaks more of awareness.....generally

the dead don't see....or respond
and laying in a grave cuts them off from all that is life

if the spirit follows the body into the grave
eternal darkness takes over

if heaven has mercy......the dead do not know

The fact that the spiritual dead die, shows that heaven does have mercy.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
consciousness, mind itself, is a physical phenomena. i

Thanks for your grudging agreement

We are not in ancient times

And see you have provided nothing to back up your misrepresentation of quantum physics
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Thanks for your grudging agreement

We are not in ancient times

And see you have provided nothing to back up your misrepresentation of quantum physics


and yet you're the one who believes that combining sodium with chloride gives rise to consciouness
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
and yet you're the one who believes that combining sodium with chloride gives rise to consciouness

yet you are the one that make up stories to massage your sensibilities. If you care to actually read what i have written, of its not beyond you, i wrote
We are not discussing consciousness, which is not completely understood, so i would be grateful if you can provide citation for your claim consciousness exists without locality.


And i see you still have not bothered to give citation, not admitted your deliberate misrepresentation of Einstein
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
yet you are the one that make up stories to massage your sensibilities. If you care to actually read what i have written, of its not beyond you, i wrote



And i see you still have not bothered to give citation, not admitted your deliberate misrepresentation of Einstein
einstein didn't believe in spooky action at a distance. it was others who proved it did exist.


i didn't state anything about einstein. you did again. i only responded again to something your consciousness associated to consciousness having to be associated to chemical forms.


Albert Einstein colorfully dismissed quantum entanglement—the ability of separated objects to share a condition or state—as “spooky action at a distance.”
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
einstein didn't believe in spooky action at a distance. it was others who proved it did exist.


i didn't state anything about einstein. you did again.


Albert Einstein colorfully dismissed quantum entanglement—the ability of separated objects to share a condition or state—as “spooky action at a distance.”

He coined the phrase

Why do you always try this on? You stated, in post #36, and i quote "consciousness has been proven to exist without locality. its called the spooky action at a distance."

And i see you still have not bothered to give citation, nor admitted your deliberate misrepresentation of Einstein
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
mentally close minded and having exacting and rigid absolutes. the only Absolute is that there is no absolutes in knowledge.
There are indeed no absolutes.

Yet fundies have settled on biblical inerrancy as an absolute.

So, you conclude, they're spiritually dead ─ an interesting call and one worth thinking about.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
We also can not tell the spiritual state of any other soul.
Regards Tony

Since the 'soul that sins dies' according to Ezekiel 18:4,20, and the soul can be 'destroyed' as per Acts of the Apostles 3:23, then the 'spiritual state of any dead soul' is one of being unconscious as per Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Unconscious until they are resurrected then what spiritual state they had before death they would still be in 'after' they are resurrected. What they do 'after' they are resurrected can determine their lasting spiritual state.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
behold i come like a thief, blessed are they who stay awake and remains clothed, lest they go naked and they see their shame.
and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

I find the people of Noah's day were busy (eating, drinking, buying, selling, building) as Luke 17:28-30 connects Lot's day to our day.
So, then Noah was a preacher (besides Ark builder - 2 Peter 2:5) but people ignored his preaching.
This is the same today, people are ignoring Matthew 24:14 and Acts of the Apostles 1:8 about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
He coined the phrase

Why do you always try this on? You stated, in post #36, and i quote "consciousness has been proven to exist without locality. its called the spooky action at a distance."

And i see you still have not bothered to give citation, nor admitted your deliberate misrepresentation of Einstein

i'm through discussing one of your favorite personalities. this thread discusses the mentally dead who have a fixation on a snapshot in space/time or the idea that nature recycles forms but not information, or energy.
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
There are indeed no absolutes.

Yet fundies have settled on biblical inerrancy as an absolute.

So, you conclude, they're spiritually dead ─ an interesting call and one worth thinking about.
the idea of spirit in relation to mind isn't unique to the bible.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Since the 'soul that sins dies' according to Ezekiel 18:4,20, and the soul can be 'destroyed' as per Acts of the Apostles 3:23, then the 'spiritual state of any dead soul' is one of being unconscious as per Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Unconscious until they are resurrected then what spiritual state they had before death they would still be in 'after' they are resurrected. What they do 'after' they are resurrected can determine their lasting spiritual state.

Upon the resurrection of the "white thrown" judgment, the resurrected are judged according to their deeds written in the "books", either good or bad.(Revelation 20:11-15). If you are not found in the "book of life", "written from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8), you will experience the "second death".
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Upon the resurrection of the "white thrown" judgment, the resurrected are judged according to their deeds written in the "books", either good or bad.(Revelation 20:11-15). If you are not found in the "book of life", "written from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8), you will experience the "second death".

I find, it's the 'book itself' that is from the founding of the world of mankind (especially with Abel - Matthew 23:35 ).
'The book' Not the people or persons in the book that is from the founding of the world of mankind.
Remember: one's name can be added or blotted out of the book - Exodus 32:33; Psalms 69:28.
That to me is a reason we are all given two (2) choices at 2 Peter 3:9 to ' repent ' or we will ' perish ' (be destroyed).
ALL who choose to be un-repentant wicked will end up 'destroyed forever' (Psalms 92:7) as in ' second death '.
The haughty figurative ' goats ' of Matthew 25:31-33 will Not end up with their names in the book of life.
There is still time to 'repent' if one wants to have one's name in the book of life ( everlasting life ).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I find, it's the 'book itself' that is from the founding of the world of mankind (especially with Abel - Matthew 23:35 ).
'The book' Not the people or persons in the book that is from the founding of the world of mankind.
Remember: one's name can be added or blotted out of the book - Exodus 32:33; Psalms 69:28.
That to me is a reason we are all given two (2) choices at 2 Peter 3:9 to ' repent ' or we will ' perish ' (be destroyed).
ALL who choose to be un-repentant wicked will end up 'destroyed forever' (Psalms 92:7) as in ' second death '.
The haughty figurative ' goats ' of Matthew 25:31-33 will Not end up with their names in the book of life.
There is still time to 'repent' if one wants to have one's name in the book of life ( everlasting life ).

The "books" are different than "book of life", which is "another book". The "books" are the "books" of "remembrance" (Malachi 3:16) written for those who "fear the LORD". The "many" of Matthew 7:13 feel they are already "saved", and have nothing to repent of, and nothing to fear. They think they are "released from the Law" (Romans 7:6).

Those not written in the "book of life" "written from the foundation of the world" will worship the "beast" (Revelation 13:8). That "beast" was already slain (Revelation 13:3), and the world still worships that "beast" "who was, is not, is himself also an eighth" (Revelation 17:11).


New American Standard Bible Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

New American Standard Bible Malachi 3:16
Then those who feared the LORD spoke to one another, and the LORD gave attention and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the LORD and who esteem His name.
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
i'm through discussing one of your favorite personalities. this thread discusses the mentally dead who have a fixation on a snapshot in space/time or the idea that nature recycles forms but not information, or energy.


You lead the discussion, you misrepresented, you made up nonsense to suite your sensibilities, and i see you still have not bothered to give a citation for your claim, nor admitted your deliberate misrepresentation of Einstein. Mais c'est la vie.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
You lead the discussion, you misrepresented, you made up nonsense to suite your sensibilities, and i see you still have not bothered to give a citation for your claim, nor admitted your deliberate misrepresentation of Einstein. Mais c'est la vie.
ad hominems have nothing to do with ideas.


lack of curiosity leads to resting on one's laurels.


schrodinger came up with the idea of entanglement.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
ad hominems have nothing to do with ideas.


lack of curiosity leads to resting on one's laurels.


schrodinger came up with the idea of entanglement.

No ad hom there, just pure fact that anyone can read on this thread

Yes and? Oh right, another straw man. Einstein coined the phrase "spooky action at a distance" that you misrepresented.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
True. It's one of the reasons why 'spirit' is a slippery word, so best avoided if one wishes to be clear.
all terms are necessary in understanding. i wouldn't ignore a hieroglyph just to satisfy my idea of what another culture should have used in their lexicon
 
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