Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
Sure thing , buddy.
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When it Comes to Honesty and Ethics, Trust in Clergy is at an All-Time Low
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Cooky
Veteran Member
Sure thing , buddy.
Demon influenced people sometimes fabricate due to the Father of Lies.
(I'm ready for my grilling now)
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
"What profession has the highest rating in terms of honesty and ethics?
Gallup said today that nurses, once again, top their annual list with 84% of people ranking them positively.
Only 37% said the same thing about clergy members. That’s the lowest number religious leaders have received in 34 years of polling.
Just look at this glorious fall from grace:
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Objectively, this is a pretty sad state of affairs. These are people who are supposed to be paragons of honesty and ethics, and yet can't hold a candle to high school teachers, police officers, accountants, and funeral directors. AND, their image continues to head toward the basement.
So, what's going on here? Can going from a 67% to a 37% positive rating, a 45% drop in just 33 years, all be laid on the backs of the abusing clergy, or is there more that goes into the mix?
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Fortunately, trust in non-religious persons, as arbiters of love, justice, morality, wisdom, kindness and charity is at an all-time high. For example, thousands of religious people went to help recent hurricane victims in New Orleans, New York, etc. while millions of atheists descended on these locations to help.
Praise God, for atheists!
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
I can't disagree with a thing that you've reported. I do think, however that an undetermined part of this group of "failures" are victims, rather than perpetrators. Certain factors in the Mental Health organizations, the Mental Health Drug Companies, and part of the LGBT organizations are culpable in engineering the downfall of many. The Bible supports this premise in multiple places. The best that some can do is wait upon God for mercy.
Skwim
Veteran Member
then again, that is all they report... bad press at the expense of the hundred of thousands of good news
For Catholic clergy it appears to be no better than 24:1.
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LOL... only in the "news" arena. W
Rationalization is certainly a mechanism: I want to be a good person but I keep getting tempted and failing. It can't be me. It can't be God. So some evil force is getting in the way.
then again, that is all they report... bad press at the expense of the hundred of thousands of good news
IIRC, that Australian inquiry implicated 7% of Australian Catholic priests, which works out to about 1 in 14.
And that's just looking at abuse in general; the number who did other problematic things (e.g. failing to report abuse) is probably several times the number who actually committed the abuse.
Can't argue with those numbers... it is a shame.
Trackdayguy
Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
I dont believe in hell....
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Neither do I. What is your point?
Based on your reply I am inclined to believe that you barely read my post.
What a very different way of seeing things.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
I wasn't aware of this. Is it even true?
If it is then there could be various reasons. One of these is the need
for people to seek meaning, validation and a new moral compass in
their life. That's why many environmentalists are not religious - the
new religion is the environment. Studies show that people tested for
honesty after doing a "good deed" are actually less honest - as if
they feel they have already done their deed.
Also, religion is an intensely private affair - public deeds are corporate
by nature. Our moral are increasingly corporate, tribal and political.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Wait, what, you don't agree with my premise of falling standards?
Look at my tag line below, taken from a Gallup Poll. It doesn't even
touch upon the burgeoning industry of child porn and related issues.
Do you want me to get figures for these too?
Seems to me the clergy of Christendom don't believe in hell. So, they have No fear of it.
One person told me she knew someone who entered the Seminary and left.
Left because he was told to forget about the Bible and stick to church teachings (church traditions)
Clergy often teach a religious-myth hell of burning forever as a Bible teaching when it is Not.
Whereas, biblical hell is just mankind's stone-cold temporary grave for the sleeping dead.
So, the days that dead Jesus spent in the 'Bible's hell' he was in an unconscious state - Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
Unconscious state in biblical hell because Jesus taught ' sleep in death ' at John 11:11-14.
Jesus learned that sleeping state for the dead while in biblical hell at Ecclesiastes 9:5.
The dead know nothing, nothing but ' sleep ' as also stated at Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4.
If biblical hell was a permanent place then Jesus would still be in hell.
I would be too if I was a Christian, but as we've all read, the bad press is of the church's own doing.
Don't want bad press? Then don't do bad things. Seems pretty obvious to me
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Seems to me spiritual house cleaning does start with the religious House of God as per 1 Peter 4:17.
As a 'new broom sweeps clean ', so to speak, then Jesus as that figurative new broom, will be sweeping out the dirt.
I find mankind's ' religious kingdom ' has already fallen (dried up spiritually) due to the influence of devils..... and the nations have become 'drunk', so to speak, because earth's kings/rulers commit a spiritual fornication with 'her' (religious Babylon the Great who thinks she is some sort of a ' religious queen '- Revelation 18:7).
- Revelation 18:1-9
I find the Bible agrees with your premise of falling standards because many religious people are dried up spiritually.
As the literal waters of ancient Babylon were dried up (Revelation 16:12) so are many religious people dried up today.
Man's religious kingdom sits upon many 'waters' meaning 'peoples' as per Revelation 17:1,15; Isaiah 57:20.
This is why spiritual 'house cleaning' will begin with the religious House of God. Those claiming to follow the Bible.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Curious, just when is this sweeping going to start? Millions of people have come and died ostensibly waiting for the sweeping to begin. Seems like a lot of wasted lives to me.
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The media has to be a factor. Churches and clergy are generally portrayed in a negative light. Even on a show like Law & Order, where a couple of the detectives are good Catholics and good people, most depictions of religious matters are negative.
These are the fruits of the No Child's Behind Left program.