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Canonization of the Saints

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Yes. I mentioned how I felt and gratitude because of it. How do you feel about being dust?
I'm sure it makes a lot of people uncomfortable; hence, why we have so many beliefs.

Since being ' dust ' is meaning being unconscious, then there is No pain, No bliss in being dead/dust.
Since we are created to live forever to me is a good reason why becoming dust makes people uncomfortable.
They don't realize that Adam was created as ' mortal ' with the opportunity to live forever on Earth 'if' obedient to God.
Adam did Not exist anywhere before God formed Adam from earth's dust.
Adam No longer existed anywhere after mortal Adam died. Adam become extinct. No post-mortem penalty.
So, then to me the resurrection hope should make a lot of people comfortable.
In other words, as Acts of the Apostles 24:15 says there ' is going to be ' (future tense) a resurrection......
To me, that future resurrection will take place once Jesus starts his coming 1,000-year reign over Earth.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
How do you feel about being dust?

Im sure it makes a lot of people uncomfortable; hence, why we have so many beliefs.

That is true for a reason. King Solomon wrote....(Ecclesiastes 3:9-11)

"What does the worker gain from all his efforts? 10 I have seen the occupation that God has given to the sons of men to keep them occupied. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish."

Since we were made to live forever, death is not programmed into our psyche.
As Solomon said, God has put eternity into our hearts so that we have an expectation to go on living.....when we are young, we never think that we will get old, but when it happens and the decrepitness of old age starts to manifest and death is staring us in the face as an inevitability sooner rather than later, we realise that everything in us is offended by what we are experiencing....it shouldn't happen and humans cling to life like no other creature. They alone have to invent places to live on somehow, because to go out of existence once we are here, is foreign to us. We are the only creatures who can contemplate our own death and the deaths of our loved ones, and it stresses us out. Some people cannot come to terms with their loss.

But as @URAVIP2ME said, where were we before our parents created us? We simply didn't exist......at death we return to that same state because God told Adam that he would simply die and return to the ground from which he was taken.....the Bible says that the wages sin pays is "death", not eternal life in some imaginary invisible realm. We are material beings created to live forever on a material Earth in a material Universe.....that was God's first purpose and that is what I believe will eventually take place in the future. (Isaiah 55:11)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
..... Have you entertained the idea that there is no resurrection and replishening the earth?
..... Just keep in mind Im asking context-questions. Im not familar with JW view of scripture nor its history. Also, I didnt (or forgot) @URAVIP2ME wasnt a christian (as I know it). I figure christians have their various views; so, I go by what is said. Denominations mix things up.

I too find Denominations can mix things up, and that is why we need to learn what the Bible really teaches.
JW view of Scripture can be found at www.jw.org for your comparative research.

I find the idea that 'there is No resurrection and replenishing the Earth' is Not a biblical teaching.
Bible Not only teaches resurrection but that there are two (2) resurrections taught:
* A first or earlier resurrection to those called to govern with Jesus for 1,000 years as per Revelation 20:6
* A second or later resurrection to those humble meek people called to live forever on a beautiful paradisical Earth.
So, to me what would be the point of entertaining the idea there is No resurrection or replenishing of Earth.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Since being ' dust ' is meaning being unconscious, then there is No pain, No bliss in being dead/dust.
Since we are created to live forever to me is a good reason why becoming dust makes people uncomfortable.
They don't realize that Adam was created as ' mortal ' with the opportunity to live forever on Earth 'if' obedient to God.
Adam did Not exist anywhere before God formed Adam from earth's dust.
Adam No longer existed anywhere after mortal Adam died. Adam become extinct. No post-mortem penalty.
So, then to me the resurrection hope should make a lot of people comfortable.
In other words, as Acts of the Apostles 24:15 says there ' is going to be ' (future tense) a resurrection......
To me, that future resurrection will take place once Jesus starts his coming 1,000-year reign over Earth.

Would you not be uncomfortable since when we are dust we will have no pain?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Like the other question, its probably not something you want to entertain. I wouldnt ask children, but youre not a child.. so....

What does the worker gain from all his efforts? 10 I have seen the occupation that God has given to the sons of men to keep them occupied. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish."

Yes. If we turn to dust and have no renewed existence, how would you feel about that.

To tell you honestly, I never thought about heaven at all. Not just as an adult but never was raised with a concept of living forever. Of course, children think we wont grow old until we are in our mid forties etc but it always makes me curious how heaven-believers (or your faith or any faith that has some sort of after-death scenario) believe what they do. Once we get over the scripture and repeated answers, I wonder if there is something more to it than just saying there-is-eternity. Or is it something to hard to bring up in one's head.

Since we were made to live forever, death is not programmed into our psyche.

Yes.... I can see why you say that; but, I dont think its logical.

How would you feel if it was not?

As Solomon said, God has put eternity into our hearts so that we have an expectation to go on living.....when we are young, we never think that we will get old, but when it happens and the decrepitness of old age starts to manifest and death is staring us in the face as an inevitability sooner rather than later, we realise that everything in us is offended by what we are experiencing....it shouldn't happen and humans cling to life like no other creature. They alone have to invent places to live on somehow, because to go out of existence once we are here, is foreign to us. We are the only creatures who can contemplate our own death and the deaths of our loved ones, and it stresses us out. Some people cannot come to terms with their loss.

Yes....

But as @URAVIP2ME said, where were we before our parents created us? We simply didn't exist......at death we return to that same state because God told Adam that he would simply die and return to the ground from which he was taken.....the Bible says that the wages sin pays is "death", not eternal life in some imaginary invisible realm. We are material beings created to live forever on a material Earth in a material Universe.....that was God's first purpose and that is what I believe will eventually take place in the future. (Isaiah 55:11)

Yes. Before our parents created us, we didnt exst. Why would it be any differet after death?

In what logic (cause I know what scripture says) does not existing before you were created isnt the same as after you die?

The laws of physics change some how?

Even with rebirth and reincarnation, I ask the same question. Buddhist and Hinduis dont seem to want to answer the question. (making a point; please dont belitle them)

But, still, you can still see the confusion?

Scripture says what and why.

It does not say how.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Would you not be uncomfortable since when we are dust we will have no pain?
Since the 'dead know nothing' as Scripture says at Ecclesiastes 9:5 then there is Nothing uncomfortable about death.
This is why Jesus likens 'death to sleep' for us at John 11:11-14 as does Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4.
The unconscious dead sleep in death's deep sleep until they are resurrected on Resurrection Morning meaning being brought back to life again during Christ' millennium-long day of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
I am wondering if you would like to be 'awakened from death's sleep' to a happy-and-healthy physical body _____
In other words, if you could resurrect yourself or another would you like that _______
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Since the 'dead know nothing' as Scripture says at Ecclesiastes 9:5 then there is Nothing uncomfortable about death.
This is why Jesus likens 'death to sleep' for us at John 11:11-14 as does Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4.
The unconscious dead sleep in death's deep sleep until they are resurrected on Resurrection Morning meaning being brought back to life again during Christ' millennium-long day of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
I am wondering if you would like to be 'awakened from death's sleep' to a happy-and-healthy physical body _____
In other words, if you could resurrect yourself or another would you like that _______

You would not be uncomfortable with actual death. No pain. No existence?

Anyone can become comfortable with the concept. Thats theology.

No. I wouldnt. The god you follow is not the god I would follow. Nor would I a Pagan god. Nor a Hindu. No a Buddhist diety.

Abrahamic god isnt special. That, and if I were resurreted, by what conditions did I earn this resurrection? I would have to have faith in god first right?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
So, to me what would be the point of entertaining the idea there is No resurrection or replenishing of Earth.

Yes. That is all I asked. Nothing special.

I cant remember the point I was making since the yes/no question was made more complicated than needed.

A lot of JW information is ore logical than other interpretations of scripture. I had JW friends and value their on the trinity

That doesnt mean I agree with them on the reality of their teachings. Its not a christian thing. Im atheist. I dont believe in deities, gods, or beings, or things like that.

If I were to entertain the idea of resurrection and new earth, I honestly wouldnt know where to start. I dont take books as-is without outside references. Even the dictionary has multiple styles of the same word definition. So, the basics is to trust your own reflection. Your own understanding of god or so have you. Scripture cannot help me with that. Its like giving me a book in German and say I should know what it says without a translator.

Then give me sites and references in German to translate German to English. :rolleyes: Hope you can follow the analogy.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Yes. If we turn to dust and have no renewed existence, how would you feel about that.

Cheated.
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My heart and mind know full well that life is not meant to be like this.....we are programmed for a much better existence, otherwise why would we be constantly disappointed that life is so unfair to so many people? We would collectively have no such feelings.

It's like our desire to live in paradise is programmed into us....to the point where all the idyllic locations are swamped with vacationers all trying to grab a little piece of it, even for a short time.

it always makes me curious how heaven-believers (or your faith or any faith that has some sort of after-death scenario) believe what they do. Once we get over the scripture and repeated answers, I wonder if there is something more to it than just saying there-is-eternity. Or is it something to hard to bring up in one's head.

Its undeniably part of our collective expectation that we aren't supposed to die. Taking the Genesis account in to consideration, we see that even though humans, like the animals, are created mortal.....it simply means that we can die...not that we must. There was no natural cause of death in Eden. The only way to die was to disobey God. There was another "tree" in the garden...."the tree of life" ...it was there, freely accessible and that would have resulted in humans never dying. Somehow it must have had properties that prevented human death. God denied access after they disobeyed, so now there was nothing to prevent their death.

Yes.... I can see why you say that; but, I dont think its logical.

How would you feel if it was not?

I don't think we can use the word "logic" here because logic is usually dictated by experience....by what we know to be true. When something happens that is outside of our experience, it usually feels strange. Even if we hear about something that is outside of our experience, it is often hard to accept as true. No one has lived forever in our experience, but if no one in good health wants to die, then death can't be natural. Old age is an undignified affront.

Yes. Before our parents created us, we didnt exst. Why would it be any differet after death?

It isn't. At death we return to the ground in one form or another. We cease to exist as living beings.
My husband's ashes are scattered in a beautiful place where I visit sometimes to experience the tranquility of the place. He isn't there, but it was a special place for him and I feel close to him there because of shared memories.

Even with rebirth and reincarnation, I ask the same question. Buddhist and Hinduis dont seem to want to answer the question. (making a point; please dont belitle them)

Don't you see, all religions teach about an afterlife in some form. It is a collective desire, programmed into our DNA, regardless of where we live in the world.
Death just doesn't fit. Each religion invents a place to go, or a way to go on living....its in us to want to keep living...forever.

Scripture says what and why.

It does not say how.

Actually it does. Jesus called it "the re-creation" or "the regeneration" (Matthew 19:28)....it means re-creating people...regenerating them....giving them a new body and re-implanting their memories. Do you think that the one who created Adam from the dust can't do the same for those sleeping in it? His power is limitless. I believe in it with all my heart.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Cheated.
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My heart and mind know full well that life is not meant to be like this.....we are programmed for a much better existence, otherwise why would we be constantly disappointed that life is so unfair to so many people? We would collectively have no such feelings.

It's like our desire to live in paradise is programmed into us....to the point where all the idyllic locations are swamped with vacationers all trying to grab a little piece of it, even for a short time.



Its undeniably part of our collective expectation that we aren't supposed to die. Taking the Genesis account in to consideration, we see that even though humans, like the animals, are created mortal.....it simply means that we can die...not that we must. There was no natural cause of death in Eden. The only way to die was to disobey God. There was another "tree" in the garden...."the tree of life" ...it was there, freely accessible and that would have resulted in humans never dying. Somehow it must have had properties that prevented human death. God denied access after they disobeyed, so now there was nothing to prevent their death.



I don't think we can use the word "logic" here because logic is usually dictated by experience....by what we know to be true. When something happens that is outside of our experience, it usually feels strange. Even if we hear about something that is outside of our experience, it is often hard to accept as true. No one has lived forever in our experience, but if no one in good health wants to die, then death can't be natural. Old age is an undignified affront.



It isn't. At death we return to the ground in one form or another. We cease to exist as living beings.
My husband's ashes are scattered in a beautiful place where I visit sometimes to experience the tranquility of the place. He isn't there, but it was a special place for him and I feel close to him there because of shared memories.



Don't you see, all religions teach about an afterlife in some form. It is a collective desire, programmed into our DNA, regardless of where we live in the world.
Death just doesn't fit. Each religion invents a place to go, or a way to go on living....its in us to want to keep living...forever.



Actually it does. Jesus called it "the re-creation" or "the regeneration" (Matthew 19:28)....it means re-creating people...regenerating them....giving them a new body and re-implanting their memories. Do you think that the one who created Adam from the dust can't do the same for those sleeping in it? His power is limitless. I believe in it with all my heart.


I'ma get around this...sleep now.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Cheated.
mad0210.gif
My heart and mind know full well that life is not meant to be like this.....we are programmed for a much better existence, otherwise why would we be constantly disappointed that

Not all think that. Least our bodies and experiences don't. We are born, live, and die. Here is the thing. You don't believe in a soul or spirit. How is the resurrection a part of our being to where some are resurrected and others stay dead?

It's like our desire to live in paradise is programmed into us....to the point where all the idyllic locations are swamped with vacationers all trying to gr

Nope. Some people. I wasn't raised that way and never considered it. It's not part of my rollerdex.

Its undeniably part of our collective expectation that we aren't supposed to die. Taking the Genesis account in to consideration, we see that even though humans, like the animals, are created mortal.....it simply means that we can die...not that we must. There was no natural cause of death in Eden. The only way to die was to disobey God. There was another "tree" in the garden...."the tree of life" ...it was there, freely accessible and that would have resulted in humans never dying. Somehow it must have had properties that prevented human death. God denied access after they disobeyed, so now there was nothing to prevent their death.

We are. That's the fact of life. It has no inherit purpose. Never thought of asking an ant if he has a purpose. Our uniqueness as individuals dont exclude us from being ignorant as the bear beside us. We just have different criteria of growth but we all die the same.

I don't think we can use the word "logic" here because logic is usually dictated by experience....by what we know to be true. When something happens that is outside of our experience, it usually feels strange. Even if we hear about something that is outside of our experience, it is often hard to accept as true. No one has lived forever in our experience, but if no one in good health wants to die, then death can't be natural. Old age is an undignified affront.

If you aren't experiencing it, are you taking it as is?
Whats the support of your belief if there is no logic behind it? (And how can you explain it to others if they dont take the bible as is?)

It isn't. At death we return to the ground in one form or another. We cease to exist as living beings.

My husband's ashes are scattered in a beautiful place where I visit sometimes to experience the tranquility of the place. He isn't there, but it was a special place for him and I feel close to him there because of shared memories.

My aunt is cremated and I have her ashes in an urn in my living room. She won't be resurrected. She is dead. She died this year. :( But I rather believe that than eternal life whatever definition you (all) name it. It makes me feel better with fact and acceptance than faith and ignorance.

Don't you see, all religions teach about an afterlife in some form. It is a collective desire, programmed into our DNA, regardless of where we live in the world.

Death just doesn't fit. Each religion invents a place to go, or a way to go on living....its in us to want to keep living...forever.

No. The Buddha taught against eternal life. He said that we keep coming back because we are attached to our gods (hinduism), our esoteric practices, and our ill actions. When he had no more rebirth, he has no more renewed existence. He died. That's the point. End cycle.

Actually it does. Jesus called it "the re-creation" or "the regeneration" (Matthew 19:28)....it means re-creating people...regenerating them....giving them a new body and re-implanting their memories. Do you think that the one who created Adam from the dust can't do the same for those sleeping in it? His power is limitless. I believe in it with all my heart.

What do you mean regenerate? Reincarnation? A inner force that unites us all? He gotta be more specific than that; it's a generalization.

Do you have specific scriptures that detail the process of how people will have eternal life in a new earth. I know what (we will have a new earth) and why (because god fashioned it thought way), but how?

But, my question is can you entertain otherwise. I can entertain two and two is five but that doesn't make it true. But then I have a cool imagination.

If you can't, is there another way you can help people understand at the level they understand you not at the level you understand yourself?

:sleeping:
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
You would not be uncomfortable with actual death. No pain. No existence?
Anyone can become comfortable with the concept. Thats theology.
Abrahamic god isnt special. That, and if I were resurrected, by what conditions did I earn this resurrection? I would have to have faith in god first right?

I don't see how an unconscious dead person could be uncomfortable with actual death.
Some people get hit in the head and don't know they have even died, some die on operating room tables and never regain consciousness so they too don't know that they have died.
What's sad to me is some people are so sick that before they die they are in a lot of pain, sometimes lingering pain.

None of us can 'earn' a resurrection.
Think about the many centuries even before Jesus came on Earth.
Countless people died who never even had an opportunity to put faith in the abrahamic God or Jesus.
I find according to Scripture that Jesus died for everybody as per 1 John 1:7.
As a 'blanket statement' that would seem to include everyone, however there are those who fight against Jesus.
Fighters against Jesus is why Jesus' ransom covers "MANY" and does Not say all at Matthew 20:28.
Countless people who never had the opportunity will have a resurrection and then learn about Jesus.
A reason for their resurrection is found at Romans 6:23,7.
There the Bible lets us know that 'death' (a person's death) frees or acquits a person from sinful leanings.
As a governor can pardon a person so the 'crime' charges do Not stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the 'sin' charges No longer stick.
Since ' death ' is the 'price tag' that a person pays for their sins, then there is No double jeopardy, No post-mortem penalty after death. Just the opportunity for a happy-and-healthy resurrection, with most people being resurrected back to live a healthy physical life on Earth starting with Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
And where do you think the tithing money went to?
Luke.18[12] I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I get.
10% tithing was under the temporary constitution of the Mosaic Law for that Jewish nation.
That was set up for the Levites who had No land possessions.
Christians do Not tithe. Tithing ended when the Mosaic Law ended - Romans 10:4
The self-righteous person of Luke 18:9 was trusting in himself.
He was condescendingly looking down on the ' publlican ' - Luke 18:10-14; Proverbs 27:2.

When Jesus gathered the crowds there was No 'passing of the basket' (collection basket) around.
The only 'basket passing' was Jesus feeding the people with bread and fish, Not the other way around.
No paid 1st-century clergy class. Each supported his own.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I don't see how an unconscious dead person could be uncomfortable with actual death.
Some people get hit in the head and don't know they have even died, some die on operating room tables and never regain consciousness so they too don't know that they have died.
What's sad to me is some people are so sick that before they die they are in a lot of pain, sometimes lingering pain.

None of us can 'earn' a resurrection.
Think about the many centuries even before Jesus came on Earth.
Countless people died who never even had an opportunity to put faith in the abrahamic God or Jesus.
I find according to Scripture that Jesus died for everybody as per 1 John 1:7.
As a 'blanket statement' that would seem to include everyone, however there are those who fight against Jesus.
Fighters against Jesus is why Jesus' ransom covers "MANY" and does Not say all at Matthew 20:28.
Countless people who never had the opportunity will have a resurrection and then learn about Jesus.
A reason for their resurrection is found at Romans 6:23,7.
There the Bible lets us know that 'death' (a person's death) frees or acquits a person from sinful leanings.
As a governor can pardon a person so the 'crime' charges do Not stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the 'sin' charges No longer stick.
Since ' death ' is the 'price tag' that a person pays for their sins, then there is No double jeopardy, No post-mortem penalty after death. Just the opportunity for a happy-and-healthy resurrection, with most people being resurrected back to live a healthy physical life on Earth starting with Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.

If you believe in the resurrection, I can see you don't have fear of the concept of death. However, what about death itself?

I believe there is nothing after death. No resurrection. Nothing. Is that something you are comfortable with beyond the concept?

Or

Are you comfortable with death/nothingness because of the resurrection?

Youre dodging my question.

That, and if I am resurrected by what means am I resurrected for? I'm not christian. Am I resurrected? Why?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Not all think that. Least our bodies and experiences don't. We are born, live, and die. Here is the thing. You don't believe in a soul or spirit. How is the resurrection a part of our being to where some are resurrected and others stay dead?
My aunt is cremated and I have her ashes in an urn in my living room. She won't be resurrected. She is dead. She died this year. :( But I rather believe that than eternal life whatever definition you (all) name it. It makes me feel better with fact and acceptance than faith and ignorance.

I find the only people who ' stay dead ' are the 'wicked who will be ' destroyed forever ' as per Psalms 92:7.
Adam was a living soul, and at death Adam become a dead soul or a life-less person - Genesis 2:7; 3:19.
We all have the spirit of life. At death that 'spark of life' goes out just as a burnt-out light bulb goes out.
When a person is resurrected his spirit, that spark of life returns and he lives again.

Unless your Aunt committed the unforgivable sin of Matthew 12:32 she will have a resurrection.
There is Nothing anyone can do to stop the resurrection from happening.
So, to me it does Not make a difference if you feel better with what your view is as fact and acceptance.
I feel better thinking your Aunt will be brought back to life when Earth becomes a beautiful paradisical Earth.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If you believe in the resurrection, I can see you don't have fear of the concept of death. However, what about death itself?
I believe there is nothing after death. No resurrection. Nothing. Is that something you are comfortable with beyond the concept?
Or
Are you comfortable with death/nothingness because of the resurrection?
You're dodging my question.
That, and if I am resurrected by what means am I resurrected for? I'm not christian. Am I resurrected? Why?

Sometimes to me it is more like ' fear ' of life, than death. Fear of sickness (burden to another) and loss.
I too believe there is Nothing after death, in the sense that there is only unconscious sleep in death.
We differ about the Resurrection Hope. The dead do Not know they will be resurrected.- Psalms 115:17.
Since God created Earth to be inhabited according to Isaiah 45:18; Psalms 115:16 then God wants us here.
So you are to be resurrected to hopefully be part of the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth.
Inherit the Earth once the wicked are ' destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 37:9-11.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I find the only people who ' stay dead ' are the 'wicked who will be ' destroyed forever ' as per Psalms 92:7.
Adam was a living soul, and at death Adam become a dead soul or a life-less person - Genesis 2:7; 3:19.
We all have the spirit of life. At death that 'spark of life' goes out just as a burnt-out light bulb goes out.
When a person is resurrected his spirit, that spark of life returns and he lives again.

Unless your Aunt committed the unforgivable sin of Matthew 12:32 she will have a resurrection.
There is Nothing anyone can do to stop the resurrection from happening.
So, to me it does Not make a difference if you feel better with what your view is as fact and acceptance.
I feel better thinking your Aunt will be brought back to life when Earth becomes a beautiful paradisical Earth.

I dont know if tihs helps fuel the conversation. Im making a point on my beliefs that my aunt will not have a resurrection. Regardless of what she has done in her life, the fact is when we accept death as a fact without some form of life, its full wisdom. Its knowing that there will be an end; and, our theologies help us with this life.

Anyway, I will try to figure another example. She died this Janurary; and, although I get what you are saying, it is neither her belief nor mine. So....

Any person say Joe Smoe will die. @Deeje mentioned that eternal life is in our genes. What about the belief in the resurrection? How is that in our genes?

I know many want to live forever; but, the details depends on the person not the genes.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Sometimes to me it is more like ' fear ' of life, than death. Fear of sickness (burden to another) and loss.
I too believe there is Nothing after death, in the sense that there is only unconscious sleep in death.
We differ about the Resurrection Hope. The dead do Not know they will be resurrected.- Psalms 115:17.
Since God created Earth to be inhabited according to Isaiah 45:18; Psalms 115:16 then God wants us here.
So you are to be resurrected to hopefully be part of the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth.
Inherit the Earth once the wicked are ' destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 37:9-11.

Fear can do it, most definitely. I disagree there is no spirit our soul afterlife. I just dont see it as a being or disembodied spirit walking around like casper. My whole family experience spirits. While it may be demons to many, to others of us outside abrahamic religions, they arent.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Any person say Joe Smoe will die. @Deeje mentioned that eternal life is in our genes. What about the belief in the resurrection? How is that in our genes?

I know many want to live forever; but, the details depends on the person not the genes.

God has put the desire to go on living into our genetics. Once here, it is difficult for any of us to imagine not being here. (individual expectations notwithstanding) No matter how much time elapses, our collective expectations do not change.

Anyone with a good quality of life has no desire to die. It isn't natural to want to die. For a physically healthy individual, it is a symptom of mental illness.

Fear can do it, most definitely. I disagree there is no spirit our soul afterlife. I just dont see it as a being or disembodied spirit walking around like casper. My whole family experience spirits. While it may be demons to many, to others of us outside abrahamic religions, they arent.

Beliefs about the afterlife have no biblical precedents because there is only one place that humanity are Created to live....right here on earth where God put us.

Since there is no afterlife mentioned in the Bible, all life that has been lost will need a resurrection....this was to take place in two stages. A resurrection was promised for those chosen to rule in God's kingdom with Jesus. These will be raised with a spiritual body appropriate to living in a non-material realm. They will be resurrected "first" (Revelation 20:6) Then after the Kingdom takes control of Earth's affairs, the general resurrection of the dead will take place according to John 5:28-29. (Daniel 2:44)

Everything has an order and a purpose. It's all in the Bible and it's what I believe and what makes sense of this ridiculous world we see being drawn in a vortex of unexplainable evil. I am a person who needs answers.....and the Bible has them all for me.
 
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