Frank Goad
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If you pray hard enough can you get God to take you up in the spirit for a visit to heaven?I have always wanted this to happen.
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God and heaven and being in the spirit.
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Axe Elf
Prophet
If you fast long enough, you can stay permanently.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
If you pray hard enough can you get God to take you up in the spirit for a visit to heaven?I have always wanted this to happen.
How would/do you define that experience?
Frank Goad
Well-Known Member
Well Unveiled Artist.I think it would be like in 2 corinthians 12:1-10.
If you pray hard enough can you get God to take you up in the spirit for a visit to heaven?I have always wanted this to happen.
you have something in mind?
being in the spirit
1 Corinthians 2:16
for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Frank Goad
Well-Known Member
The reason i want to be in the spirit through prayer is to meet God.
Seems to me 'hard enough' is Not a criteria to visit Heaven, rather it's God's will for those resurrected ones.If you pray hard enough can you get God to take you up in the spirit for a visit to heaven?I have always wanted this to happen.
Such as those who have that first or earlier resurrection to Heaven as per Revelation 20:6.
Also, Adam (mankind) was Not offered Heaven, but offered everlasting life on Earth.
So, mankind's destiny was Not to be Heaven but for humble meek people to inherit the Earth.
Because Adam broke God's Law is why death entered into the human family.
To undo enemy sin and death God sent heavenly Jesus to Earth for us - Revelation 1:18.
God made provision for those called to be Jesus' spiritual brothers ' such as those of Luke 22:28-30.
They are the only ones who have a resurrection from the dead to heavenly life to serve in Heaven.
Like Adam and Eve, the majority of people are offered 'everlasting life on Earth' when Jesus resurrects those dead.
That means God's will (His purpose) is Not for the majority of mankind to ever be in Heaven.
Who knows, after Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth, there might be some heavenly pictures sent to us !
I think you are Not alone in wanting to meet God, but as Scripture teaches No man can see God and live.
- That is found at John 1:18; 1 John 4:12 and Exodus 33:20 if you care to look up those verses.
On the positive side, before Adam sinned he did have one-on-one conversations with his God.
That seems to indicate that after Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth ends that perfected mankind can do the same.
- 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
The ' third ' Heaven that Paul saw was a preview or coming attraction of 2 Peter 3:13.
The ' first ' Heaven of 2 Peter 3:5 was the OLD governing heavens of Noah's Day.
The ' second ' Heaven of 2 Peter 3:7 is the governing powers of NOW meaning from Noah to our day.
Under Christ's heavenly rule over Earth is when Earth will become a beautiful paradisical Earth - 2 Corinthians 12:4
That is the righteous NEW heavens is what will make Earth a paradise as Eden originally was.
So, to me the ' third ' Heaven is the NEW paradisical heavens and Earth during Christ's 1,000-year reign over Earth.
If you pray hard enough can you get God to take you up in the spirit for a visit to heaven?I have always wanted this to happen.
Frank Goad
Well-Known Member
If i ever do get taken away in the spirit to heaven maybe God will give me a vision of himself.So i don't die.
Gner
Member
You are a spirit.If you pray hard enough can you get God to take you up in the spirit for a visit to heaven?I have always wanted this to happen.
You are a spirit within a human body.
When your body can no longer maintain life
your spirit(you)will eject from it.
They will bury or cremate your body
but you will not be in it.
No
you can not pray
your way to God.
Gner
Member
God also = wrath.
The fruit of the Spirit is love and wrath.
Gner
Member
Gner
Member
You have met Him.
You see Him every day.
You just do not know Him.
That is how come you are not aware of it.
Axe Elf
Prophet
That's one, but there are eight others:
"But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness, gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence)." --Galatians 5:22-23a (Amplified Bible)
I realize it's just an artifact of the English language, in which this verse was not originally written, but I've always thought it was cool that there are three one-syllable fruits, three two-syllable fruits, and three three-syllable fruits. It's kind of like a trinity of trinities, or a three-sided pyramid of sorts--and you can even arrange them in such a way that the three one-syllable fruits are kind of the foundation for the longer ones.
For instance, love kind of provides a foundation for kindness and gentleness, joy kind of provides a foundation for goodness and faithfulness, and peace kind of provides a foundation for patience and self-control.
I even made myself a little paper "Fruits Pyramid" as a visual representation of that.
(They're only $5.99 each in my souvenir shop.)