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Islam belief, Noah, the Great Flood and Science. Coherent or contradictory?
- Thread starter Dawnofhope
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No, Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i writings are clear it is not a literal flood. and the 950 years do not represent 950 literal human years.
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W3bcrowf3r
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In the time of Muhammad God told the people of the Gospel to judge with the Gospel. God told them in the Quran to uphold the Tora and the Gospel.
Those stories about the prophets in the Previous Scriptures actually show us that they were human beings as well. Humans sin. That's a fact.
The Shia is just a Persian fabrication. Lets skip that chapter.
W3bcrowf3r
Active Member
That's your own choice that you are responsible for. Creation needs a Hebrew analyses, sinces days mean a period in Hebrew. Six days of Creation doesn't mean it were six earthly days. It were six periods.
Yes i believe there was a huge flood.
Yes i believe there is a person that is called Satan who is real. I believe there are different dimensions.
Yes i believe Jesus Christ is resurrected from death, literal. With the Power of God, everything is possible for Him.
God created so many stars. Why couldn't he do such minor things, in comparison with all those huge stars created with so many power etc.
Give God a chance. Have patience. And witness a miracle yourself. It's personal, nobody can convince you with their stories. You have to witness God's Spirit yourself. Ask, and you shall Receive. Seek, and you will Find.
spirit_of_dawn
Active Member
And Your statement is just an ignorant fabrication.
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
Mashallah. I seek the Creator, and don't care if people see him as YAWEH, God, Allah SWT. Many seek, few find.
Firemorphic
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There are literally thousands of messiah claimants, probably some new guy every week. So yeah, why not? Maybe one of them is right. Then again, maybe not.It worked for Bahaullah, so why not?
Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
Most of those who claim to wait for a savior of mankind, are unreliable. Rather than that, it is best to devote one's self to pleasing and worshiping the Creator, and living a life pleasing to Him.
I heard from a Jew in Israel that perhaps the Messiah was a state of mind, and that by pleasing the Creator, we would save ourselves.
I heard from a Jew in Israel that perhaps the Messiah was a state of mind, and that by pleasing the Creator, we would save ourselves.
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
Just so you know, (you're late to the discussion) I don't believe in saviour, avatar, any of those. I do believe in wise men. So for me personally it's nobody. But the idea seems to work for some people, so it's fine, I respect their right to believe that.Maybe I'm the savior? Or maybe you are? who knows
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
I agree
This thread is about Islamic beliefs regarding Noah and the flood, not Baha'i beliefs.
Baha'u'llah is simply elaborating on a well known narrative, as Muhammad, Jesus and Moses did before Him. Baha'is clearly see it as allegorical. I have the impression Muslims take it literally.
There's no dilemma for Baha'is.
The Baha'i writings as a whole are clear, consistent and non-contradictory if we look at all the relevant writings in context. The problem is when one or two writings are taken out of context with an intent to distort and misrepresent.
So how do you know it was God who appointed Ali, if not through His prophet?
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Archaeological, historical and Geological objective verifiable evidence before they can be considered factual history..
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
If you look at things (such as Noah) as a mutually exclusive phenomenon of either factual history or mere myth, (regardless of what possible answers could come from either) then you aren't going to get much out of it either option because they're both irrelevant.
Baha'is avoid labelling those who have different beliefs to us as 'nut jobs'. It reflects an intolerant and bigoted attitude but go ahead.
Baha'is don't believe there was a flood that covered the whole earth a few thousand years ago. We agree with the vast majority of scientists that are clear there isn't any scientific evidence to support this view. Further, it would have been logistically impossible to gather all the animals of the world together and have them cohabit on a boat together. We don't believe that human beings used to live for nearly a thousand years of age. However if you want to believe all these things to be literally true, and call those who think otherwise nut jobs go ahead.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Then don't chuck the baby out with the bathwater.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
What is 'factual history'?
Factual History is a ball which gets batted to left and right according to the players.
Archaeologists are often left with inconclusive evidence and any conclusions that they may decide to support are sometimes based upon the 'balance of probability' and 'balance of possibility'. Of course they make this clear.
So let's assume for a moment that both the Torah and Quran are literally true. How do you account for the contradictions.
Here's a list of the verified oldest men and women.
List of the verified oldest people - Wikipedia
Don't you think its a little strange that people could have lived more than 8 X longer than the oldest people today. I doubt if we would get that amount of change from a diet and I am a medical doctor which adds to my scepticism of your theory.