Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
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Its finally happend.. CRISPR gene editing in humans.
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Earthling
David Henson
Oh, well, we'll leave amateur eugenics for the typically more subtle approach?
Do you also feel you have defective genes? I don't think so, but your disdain for science evidence in favor of a being that has no more evidence than Superman, might raise some doubts about it. Don't you think so?
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- viole
Earthling
David Henson
No, I don't. That is, I don't have a disdain for science, I have a disdain for idiot atheists who use science to justify their position.
Ok, nice to hear that your position fully support the fact that we and carrots have a common ancestor. Like all science does.
I thought you were also one of those idiots who believed that life has been instantiated several times on the planet. Sorry about that.
Friends again?
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- viole
Earthling
David Henson
Any unbelievers here question this statement?
Example, please?
I don't have friends.
I beg your pardon? that is basic biology.
Examples? There are people who believe that things like gorillas and humans have been instantiated separately and have therefore no common ancestor. I know it is difficult to believe, but it is true. After all there are people who believe the earth is flat, so everything is possible. Believe me. I have to to search, but I am sure I can found people who believe that in my debate history. Let me know if you want to know who believes such things here.
Cool. Who needs them?
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- viole
Earthling
David Henson
So what? Are you suggesting no unbelievers question basic biology?
What are you, the authorized uninstantiated police?
Am I to understand that you believe that everything living on this planet was once something else inasmuch as there is a "common ancestor" for them all, i.e. all living things, carrots, bulldogs, apes and men, first were this common ancestor?
Of course not. I know atheists who doubt evolution and biology.
That is not a metaphysical issue. It is an issue with education. Some get it, some don't.
What? All biology relies on a common ancestor.
Are you telling me you are one of those who believe that life has been instantiated several times on earth? LOL
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- viole
Earthling
David Henson
So, it isn't a fact everyone agrees upon. More notably, if they don't agree with it then it's because they don't "get it?" Get it as in don't agree with it, or get it as don't understand it. If only they could be made to understand then they would "get it."
Aegyptopithecus is said to have been a common ancestor of man and living apes. Where is the evidence for that?
Of course not. Not everyone agrees the earth is round, either.
We don't need that. since we have evidence that all living beings have a common ancestor. So, any two will have a common ancestor too.
That is, again, biology 101.
But you seem to believe that life has been instantiated independently several time on earth, against all biologists.
What motivates that sort of strange belief?
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- viole
Earthling
David Henson
Let's forget about my strange beliefs and talk about yours for now.
Biology 101 insists that it is a fact that all living beings have a common ancestor. What is that common ancestor and what is the evidence for there being a common ancestor. Can you come up with a better answer than "biology says so."
No. I am full in line with what biology says. And the evidence is available to whomever actually takes care to get an education on that. Which, I assume, you never did.
Now, your turn. You seem to believe that very close looking like organisms like chimps, gorillas, and humans have been originated independently. And that despite that independent origin they magically share a huge amount of reproductive information (DNA). And look.
What motivates you to believe something so implausible and unlikely?
Do magical ancient books written by clueless goat herders have anything to do with your convictions in this area?
Ciao
- viole
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Earthling
David Henson
So you can't come up with an answer that is better than "biology says so."
No.
I cannot come up with a better answer than "general relativity says so" when it comes to gravity, either.
Is that bad?
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- viole
Earthling
David Henson
Well, yes, it is. For two reasons. First, it may be wrong and your confidence is greatly amplified, and second, you can't back up your lame *** claims about God based upon your overconfidence in biology. And a third reason is you can't teach.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Nobody knows. This particular scientist has been shut down by the Chinese government. He did not follow guidelines in place for such research. His university has also sanctioned him. It is quite possible he will be shunned by the scientific community, which took a very dim view of his actions. Nobody knows if he actually did what he said because he has not published his research in a peer reviewed publication, has not released most of the details of his research, and has not provided DNA samples to others for verification.
Non sequitur. Can I come up with a better explanation (about gravity/biology)? No. Can I be wrong? Yes. Are the two previous answers contradicting each other? No.
Do you really think we need to appeal to science to deny God? I don't think so. Basic logic is more than enough. I admit to use science sometimes, especially when denied because of some metaphysical superstition, but that is really like using an atom bomb to kill a mosquito.
And by the way, most theists on this continent accept evolution, so I am not sure what your point is, since I cannot use what they agree on to deny their belief.
I suggest you start accepting that, too. You know, it could be embarrassing to believe today in flat earths and cows and chimps popping out into existence separately.
Even if true: who cares?
Ciao
- viole
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Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
I don't think I am an idiot for using science to justify my position as a card carrying atheist