IS Trump worth it? A country is divided

Riders · Dec 2, 2018

Audie said:
Worth it? Worth it has nothing to do with it.

You guys, left right and unconcerned, alo are reaping
what you sowed.

As for Mueller, I dont do conclusion before evidence.
Assumptions, indeed!

Your 100% is a big mistake in any setting where the
"jury is still out".

Well you have not read all of my thread. Yes I stand behind Mueller but as I said I am also ready to reap whatever happens,if nothing happens so be it.

I am more invested in my family then whatever goes on in Washington .I have lived in a conservative Republican state my whole life anyways, so I am not affected by it.You with your reap what you so LOL as if Dems will be punished,nope, its the norm for me to be in a conservative country Texas is my country!

Audie · Dec 2, 2018

Riders said:
Well you have not read all of my thread. Yes I stand behind Mueller but as I said I am also ready to reap whatever happens,if nothing happens so be it.

I am more invested in my family then whatever goes on in Washington .I have lived in a conservative Republican state my whole life anyways, so I am not affected by it.You with your reap what you so LOL as if Dems will be punished,nope, its the norm for me to be in a conservative country Texas is my country!

We dont need to be in conflict too!

You said "worth it", I said it isnt about that.

You said "100%", I said that the jury is out.

As for reap what y'all sow, America created your
Trump, all of you were involved, and, you are all,
I believe, going to be very sorry.

I hope not, but I at least can just go back to
Hong Kong if life here ceases to suit me.

Not so easy for the rest of you.

(Oh, I was in Galveston for T day. Nice
to see palms and cycads after NYC
weather.)

Audie · Dec 2, 2018

columbus said:
It's not him, exactly.
It's the people who are playing him, like Putin. That's who will do the damage.
Damage to the USA anyway. Maybe on a global scale it's time for the USA to get knocked off the top of the hill.
Luckily for me, I am old and won't be around for that much longer. It's the kids' problem, and I don't have any kids.
Tom

Oh now you are not old and drifting out
with the tide, you are just reapeating what
others tell you.

Riders · Dec 2, 2018

Audie said:
We dont need to be in conflict too!

You said "worth it", I said it isnt about that.

You said "100%", I said that the jury is out.

As for reap what y'all sow, America created your
Trump, all of you were involved, and, you are all,
I believe, going to be very sorry.

I hope not, but I at least can just go back to
Hong Kong if life here ceases to suit me.

Not so easy for the rest of you.

(Oh, I was in Galveston for T day. Nice
to see palms and cycads after NYC
weather.)

That's your opinion and your free to it. But it is just an opinion and nothing else. I won't be sorry because I have had nothing to do with Trump.There are wicked people in America but there are innocents too and I am one of them. I live in Tx and theres nothing Trump could do that would make me pay for anything.

Tiapan · Dec 2, 2018

Americans voted him in and so deserve the consequences. My problem is we as Australians may be dragged into an other misguided war. America is a great nation, it has its problems but you can't run a government like a company whose primary goal is profit. The opposite in fact you pay taxes for health education and shelter (including defence) a redistribution of wealth. America makes you pay through the nose for these essentials unlike any other western democracy. Fortunately in 2 years time you can vote and adjust this dilema. I am sure Trump is gradually learning to tame his narcissism and that by firing people to be surrounded by YES men is not the best way forward. Remember the tale of the king with no clothes... that is trump incarnate.
Intellectually he is no match for Putin or Xi Ping who will use him as a bit of a football until he accepts the advice of those of far greater intelligence. Global warming is a typical example of his head in the sand attitude.
Cheers

Riders · Dec 3, 2018

Audie said:
We dont need to be in conflict too!

You said "worth it", I said it isnt about that.

You said "100%", I said that the jury is out.

As for reap what y'all sow, America created your
Trump, all of you were involved, and, you are all,
I believe, going to be very sorry.

I hope not, but I at least can just go back to
Hong Kong if life here ceases to suit me.

Not so easy for the rest of you.

(Oh, I was in Galveston for T day. Nice
to see palms and cycads after NYC
weather.)

Tiapan said:
Americans voted him in and so deserve the consequences. My problem is we as Australians may be dragged into an other misguided war. America is a great nation, it has its problems but you can't run a government like a company whose primary goal is profit. The opposite in fact you pay taxes for health education and shelter (including defence) a redistribution of wealth. America makes you pay through the nose for these essentials unlike any other western democracy. Fortunately in 2 years time you can vote and adjust this dilema. I am sure Trump is gradually learning to tame his narcissism and that by firing people to be surrounded by YES men is not the best way forward. Remember the tale of the king with no clothes... that is trump incarnate.
Intellectually he is no match for Putin or Xi Ping who will use him as a bit of a football until he accepts the advice of those of far greater intelligence. Global warming is a typical example of his head in the sand attitude.
Cheers

Thanks for the viewpoint from an Australian.

youknowme · Dec 3, 2018

Don't forget...

Revoltingest · Dec 3, 2018

Tiapan said:
Americans voted him in and so deserve the consequences. My problem is we as Australians may be dragged into an other misguided war. America is a great nation, it has its problems but you can't run a government like a company whose primary goal is profit. The opposite in fact you pay taxes for health education and shelter (including defence) a redistribution of wealth. America makes you pay through the nose for these essentials unlike any other western democracy. Fortunately in 2 years time you can vote and adjust this dilema. I am sure Trump is gradually learning to tame his narcissism and that by firing people to be surrounded by YES men is not the best way forward. Remember the tale of the king with no clothes... that is trump incarnate.
Intellectually he is no match for Putin or Xi Ping who will use him as a bit of a football until he accepts the advice of those of far greater intelligence. Global warming is a typical example of his head in the sand attitude.
Cheers

Nah....no one deserves bad consequences for voting for the best (or least worst) candidate.
But one's subsequent votes should be cast in light of the candidate's performance in office.

Audie · Dec 3, 2018

Revoltingest said:
Nah....no one deserves bad consequences for voting for the best (or least worst) candidate.
But one's subsequent votes should be cast in light of the candidate's performance in office.

Regardless of semantics, "deserve", "earn" or as I put
it, "reap what you sow" the failure to put forward
candidates better than Trump or Hillary is the responsibility
of every American.

As America's Admiral Richover put it,

"If you are not responsible, you are irresponsible".

Revoltingest · Dec 3, 2018

Audie said:
Regardless of semantics, "deserve", "earn" or as I put
it, "reap what you sow" the failure to put forward
candidates better than Trump or Hillary is the responsibility
of every American.

As your Admiral Richover put it,

"If you are not responsible, you are irresponsible".

One is responsible for effecting one's intentions.

Audie · Dec 3, 2018

Revoltingest said:
One is responsible for effecting one's intentions.

Effecting intentions?

Surely you mean "Actualizing one's potentiation".

Revoltingest · Dec 3, 2018

Audie said:
Effecting intentions?

Surely you mean "Actualizing one's potentiation".

IOW....if one does something with intended consequences,
& those consequences happen, then one bears responsibility
for the results.
But if something happens which one didn't intend or anticipate,
the the responsibility is less.

esmith · Dec 3, 2018

The country has been divided many times in the past. The only reason there are those obsessing about it more today is social media.
I guess if you don't have a life outside political obsession when one doesn't get their way then one is more apt to have hizzy fits over actions that have been taken by other administrations in the past

youknowme · Dec 3, 2018

esmith said:
The country has been divided many times in the past. The only reason there are those obsessing about it more today is social media.
I guess if you don't have a life outside political obsession when one doesn't get their way then one is more apt to have hizzy fits over actions that have been taken by other administrations in the past

How did you determine that people are "obsessing about it more today"?

esmith · Dec 3, 2018

youknowme said:
How did you determine that people are "obsessing about it more today"?

NOTE: my previous post to the has been edited and replaced with the following.
All you have to do is listen or read. I suspect and know that there were times in the past that political obsessions were present; however without social media to fuel those obsession they did not reach the fevered pitch, except during a certain era in a time frame starting about 55 years ago and the worst was around 160 years ago.

youknowme · Dec 3, 2018

esmith said:
Are you serious?

100%

We so often see what we want to see, so much so that we should doubt what we think we know. Even more so in the case when we assume something is obvious, as over confidence often blinds us to the truth.

esmith · Dec 3, 2018

youknowme said:
100%

We so often see what we want to see, so much so that we should doubt what we think we know. Even more so in the case when we assume something is obvious, as over confidence often blinds us to the truth.

see my edit post.

youknowme · Dec 3, 2018

esmith said:
NOTE: my previous post to the has been edited and replaced with the following.
All you have to do is listen or read. I suspect and know that there were times in the past that political obsessions were present; however without social media to fuel those obsession they did not reach the fevered pitch, except during a certain era in a time frame starting about 55 years ago and the worst was around 160 years ago.

How do you know what you are listening to and reading is a fair representation of the greater population?

Audie · Dec 3, 2018

Revoltingest said:
IOW....if one does something with intended consequences,
& those consequences happen, then one bears responsibility
for the results.
But if something happens which one didn't intend or anticipate,
the the responsibility is less.

Irresponsible behavior-
Due diligence, criminal negligence,
it sometimes aint enough to say "who'da thunk??"

If no ressonable person could have anticipated,
then conscience can still haunt even if one
has no legal problems.

Revoltingest · Dec 3, 2018

Audie said:
Irresponsible behavior-
Due diligence, criminal negligence,
it sometimes aint enough to say "who'da thunk??"

If no ressonable person could have anticipated,
then conscience can still haunt even if one
has no legal problems.

Meh....I'm never haunted by guilt.

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