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A severe state of moral decadence

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
The dictionary defines “decadence” as the act or process of falling into inferior condition or state, moral degeneration or decay or unrestrained or excessive self-indulgence.

This is often attributed as one of the reasons why empires fall, a good example being the Roman Empire. And this is also a great definition of our society right now.

All the social and technological improvements of the last decades were supposed to make us richer, healthier, smarter and happier than ever before. But are we really?

In French we have this expression to define how most people live: “metro, bulot, dodo”, meaning, we commute, we work and we go to sleep. Rinse and repeat.

In the past, many people fought tooth and nail for the freedom of the individual, specially from the church and state. While their cause was perfectly justified and valid, this new-found freedom gave birth to another master for us to slave to: the market. And this new master has a much greater influence in our lives than the church and the state.

We don’t control the markets. They control us. We were told that to grow the markets we need freedom. That translates into: everything is acceptable as long as someone makes a profit.

The market demands that jobs are shipped to countries where labor is cheaper and human and environmental rights don’t apply. But no worries, if we work more, if we give everything we are to the markets, we will have more money, so we can keep spending all the way to the grave.

The markets require that we drain our planet out of its natural resources, that we pollute the air, the ground and the water, that we drive millions of species to extinction and that we treat each other like nothing more than disposable objects.

Greed, corruption, narcissism and over competitiveness have all become normal and acceptable. A CEO who behaves like a psychopath is a hero as long as the shareholders of his company keep making money and he bring home millions. People identify that kind of person as successful, someone to look up to, the example to follow. Never mind how much destruction his company causes, that’s irrelevant. Just look at how much he’s achieved.

Most people want a happy, healthy lifestyle but that’s not what we’re getting. The family, the most fundamental building block of society is decaying spectacularly. Everything has become so disposable that we started to deal with our relationships the same way we deal with stuff: if it doesn’t fit the criteria throw it away and get another one.

We add and subtract people as if they were mere things. Our work environment is becoming more and more casual, without commitment, the gig economy or whatever. They tell us we need a more flexible work force to keep us competitive, but that flexibility means that younger people can no longer plan their lives and do what was once normal: have job security, buy a house, start a family. We live day to day, hoping that tomorrow we still have enough to get by and that we won’t need to move back to our parent’s basement.

We live in a world full of economic enslavement, moral decay and cultural confusion. Like in ancient Rome, after a period of progress, we are succumbing to self-indulgence and moral decay, filling our lives with excesses that we know will cost us dearly and cause our own fall.

Our culture, devoid of moral values and spirituality, sees only the superficial, but that superficial is not enough to make people believe that their lives are satisfying and fulfilling. Can we keep living like this? Sure. But looking at the rates of depression, anxiety, drug use and suicide, it's not working too well.
How many really see this, though?
As Jesus said (Matthew 24:39): "....and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of Man will be."

If someone living before WWI could see society (in general) currently, I'm sure the technology would impress them, but when reading or seeing the news , they would certainly see a difference! The difference is not so recognizable to us, because we live in it...we've become accustomed to it. But it's there!

“Ever since 1914, everybody conscious of trends in the world has been deeply troubled by what has seemed like a fated and predetermined march toward ever greater disaster. Many serious people have come to feel that nothing can be done to avert the plunge towards ruin.”—Bertrand Russell, The New York Times Magazine, September 27, 1953.


The London Evening Star commented that the conflict “tore the whole world’s political setup apart. Nothing could ever be the same again. If we all get the nuclear madness out of our systems and the human race survives, some historian in the next century may well conclude that the day the world went mad was August 4, 1914.”–London Evening Star, quoted in the New Orleans Times-Picayune, August 5, 1960, and The Seattle Times, August 4, 1960, p. 5.


“Half a century has gone by, yet the mark that the tragedy of the Great War left on the body and soul of the nations has not faded . . . The physical and moral magnitude of this ordeal was such that nothing left was the same as before. Society in its entirety: systems of government, national borders, laws, armed forces, interstate relations, but also ideologies, family life, fortunes, positions, personal relations—everything was changed from top to bottom. . . . Humanity finally lost its balance, never to recover it to this day.” (General Charles de Gaulle, Le Monde, Nov. 12, 1968, p. 9)


“Everyone agrees in recognizing that in the whole history of mankind, few dates have had the importance of August 2, 1914.” (Maurice Genevoix, Promise of Greatness)


“Those who lived through the war could never rid themselves of the belief that one world had ended and another begun in August 1914.” (The Generation of 1914, Robert Wohl, Professor of History)


“The whole world really blew up about World War I and we still don’t know why. Before then, men thought that utopia was in sight. There was peace and prosperity. Then everything blew up. We’ve been in a state of suspended animation ever since . . . More people have been killed in this century than in all of history.” (Dr. Walker Percy, American Medical News, November 21, 1977)


“Everything would get better and better. This was the world I was born in. . . . Suddenly, unexpectedly, one morning in 1914 the whole thing came to an end.” (British statesman Harold Macmillan, The New York Times, November 23, 1980)


“The last completely ‘normal’ year in history was 1913, the year before World War I began.” (Times-Herald, Washington, D.C., March 13, 1949)


“In 1914 the world lost a coherence which it has not managed to recapture since. . . . This has been a time of extraordinary disorder and violence, both across national frontiers and within them.” (The Economist)


“The Great War of 1914-18 lies like a band of scorched earth dividing that time from ours. In wiping out so many lives which would have been operative on the years that followed, in destroying beliefs, changing ideas, and leaving incurable wounds of disillusion, it created a physical as well as psychological gulf between two epochs.” (Foreword to The Proud Tower, by Barbara W. Tuchman)


“Ever since 1914, everybody conscious of trends in the world has been deeply troubled by what has seemed like a fated and predetermined march toward ever greater disaster. Many serious people have come to feel that nothing can be done to avert the plunge towards ruin.” (Bertrand Russell, The New York Times Magazine, September 27, 1953)


“Neither the old nor the young had any suspicion that what they were witnessing, during that incomparable season of 1914, was, in fact, the end of an era.” (Before the Lamps Went Out, by Geoffrey Marcus)


“[There was] little or no evidence of a steady rise or a ‘snowballing’ of conflicts and tensions leading directly to the outbreak of war.” On the contrary, “by late 1913 and early 1914 . . . relations among the major powers appeared to be more settled than they had been for many years.” (International Crisis, by Eugenia Nomikos and Robert C. North, 1976)


“The effects of World War I were literally revolutionary and struck deep in the lives of almost all peoples, economically as well as socially and politically.” (Meyers Enzyklopädisches Lexikon)


“The year 1913 marked the close of an era.” (1913 - An End and a Beginning, Virginia Cowles)


“Before 1914 the monetary and the financial systems were compatible. . . . If one takes August 1914 as marking the dividing line between them, the contrasts between the nineteenth and the twentieth centuries are striking. In many aspects of human affairs there has been a complete reversal of trend. . . . One major reason was the severance of the linkage between the financial system and money with intrinsic value that began in 1914. . . . The breaking of the linkage was a momentous event. . . . 1914 marked a radical, and in the end catastrophic, transformation of that system.” (Ashby Bladen, senior vice president The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America)


“By all contemporaneous accounts, the world prior to 1914 seemed to be moving irreversibly toward higher levels of civility and civilization; human society seemed perfectible. The nineteenth century had brought an end to the wretched slave trade. Dehumanizing violence seemed on the decline. . . . The pace of global invention had advanced throughout the nineteenth century, bringing railroads, the telephone, the electric light, cinema, the motor car, and household conveniences too numerous to mention. Medical science, improved nutrition, and the mass distribution of potable water had elevated life expectancy . . . The sense of the irreversibility of such progress was universal.

World War I was more devastating to civility and civilization than the physically far more destructive World War II: the earlier conflict destroyed an idea. I cannot erase the thought of those pre-World War I years, when the future of mankind appeared unencumbered and without limit. Today our outlook is starkly different from a century ago but perhaps a bit more consonant with reality. Will terror, global warming, or resurgent populism do to the current era of life-advancing globalization what World War I did to the previous one? No one can be confident of the answer.” (Alan Greenspan, The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World, 2007)


“Those who have an adult’s recollection and an adult’s understanding of the world which preceded World War I look back upon it with a great nostalgia. There was a sense of security then which has never since existed.”(Professor Benjamin M. Anderson, Economics and the Public Welfare)


“Historic events are often said to have ‘changed everything.’ In the case of the Great War this is, for once, true. The war really did change everything: not just borders, not just governments and the fate of nations, but the way people have seen the world and themselves ever since. It became a kind of hole in time, leaving the postwar world permanently disconnected from everything that had come before.” (A World Undone, G. J. Meyer, 2006)


“The outbreak of the war in 1914 is the great turning point of the history of humanity. . . . We entered an age of disaster, horror, and hatred, with insecurity everywhere.” (Peter Munch, Danish historian)
 
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Why cant we just have the freedom to go off yonder, build us a hutt, grow a garden and shoot the deer, eat and be free. Truely, free. Peace of mind!
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
If it's anything like the same concept in Australia, it's a secular version of Buddhist principles.
I'm not sure where atheism fits in!

But of course there are good things we can learn from religions, just like there are bad things.
Yes fair enough, it's secular rather than atheist. I was lazy in my choice of words.
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
The dictionary defines “decadence” as the act or process of falling into inferior condition or state, moral degeneration or decay or unrestrained or excessive self-indulgence...
You're presenting all this as if there has been some kind of change for the worse in recent years but I challenge you to identify any time period that has been definitively better on this measure. You could identify variations and shifts in individual elements but that’s just part of natural shifts. I don’t think the overall pattern can be said to be anything other than constant.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Why cant we just have the freedom to go off yonder, build us a hutt, grow a garden and shoot the deer, eat and be free. Truely, free. Peace of mind!
Because you presumably still want roads, police, a school for your kids, health provision, defence against invaders, care in old age, enforcement of property rights and maybe also your rubbish collected, fresh water, gas and electricity, and an IT connection.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Why cant we just have the freedom to go off yonder, build us a hutt, grow a garden and shoot the deer, eat and be free. Truely, free. Peace of mind!
Perhaps in Alaska?
But it's not very popular because of the difficulty of going out for dim sum (dian xin).
 
Because you presumably still want roads, police, a school for your kids, health provision, defence against invaders, care in old age, enforcement of property rights and maybe also your rubbish collected, fresh water, gas and electricity, and an IT connection.

If i had the choice of what knowledge i could have grown up with, i would choose the wild.

Its still my goal to make a homestead.
 

savagewind

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I think that the real trouble with this world is that people either go hungry or are too well fed. And waste. That is a problem too.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Dim sum? Whats dat?
Dian xin (in Beijing hua).
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exchemist

Veteran Member
If i had the choice of what knowledge i could have grown up with, i would choose the wild.

Its still my goal to make a homestead.
Well that's fair enough of course. But do not delude yourself that you do not still rely on society and its institutions. So you will still need to pay your taxes, observe the law ad so on. "Freedom" is never total (unless you are Robinson Crusoe): there are always obligations to others.
 
Well that's fair enough of course. But do not delude yourself that you do not still rely on society and its institutions. So you will still need to pay your taxes, observe the law ad so on. "Freedom" is never total (unless you are Robinson Crusoe): there are always obligations to others.

Yes, because of my limited knowledge and the system i was born into, i am a slave. A slave that is working toward his freedom. Im going to try to become like Robinson to an extent. If i wer not married, id seek to fully be like him. But since im married, im going to seek a homestead way of life. Im not free yet. But im working on it.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Yes, because of my limited knowledge and the system i was born into, i am a slave. A slave that is working toward his freedom. Im going to try to become like Robinson to an extent. If i wer not married, id seek to fully be like him. But since im married, im going to seek a homestead way of life. Im not free yet. But im working on it.
Good luck, then.
 
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