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Who knows the real basis for Thanksgiving?

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
You've begun separating the truth, but have not recognized all of it. You also ingested certain falsehoods.

So let's start with the truth you attest to:

Matthew 6:24

None is able to serve two lords, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to the one, and despise the other; ye are not able to serve God and Mammon.

Let's not negate the qualifiers:

1) Matthew 6:14-15

For, if ye may forgive men their trespasses He also will forgive you -- your Father who [is] in the heavens; but if ye may not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

2) Matthew 6:19-21

Treasure not up to yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust disfigure, and where thieves break through and steal, but treasure up to yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth disfigure, and where thieves do not break through nor steal, for where your treasure is, there will be also your heart.

3) Matthew 6:25

Because of this I say to you, be not anxious for your life, what ye may eat, and what ye may drink, nor for your body, what ye may put on. Is not the life more than the nourishment, and the body than the clothing?

4) Matthew 6:32-33

For all these do the nations seek for, for your heavenly Father doth know that ye have need of all these; but seek ye first the reign of God and His righteousness, and all these shall be added to you.


So what does the equation say?

Psalm 24:1

To [the Father] is the earth and its fullness; the world and the inhabitants in it.


Jeremiah 27:5

Thus do ye say unto your lords, I -- I have made the earth with man, and the cattle that are on the face of the earth, by My great power, and by My stretched-out arm, and I have given it to whom it hath been right in Mine eyes.


There is no private property; mankind (with the animal kingdom) are stewards:

Luke 16:1-13
And he said also unto his disciples, 'A certain man was rich, who had a steward, and he was accused to him as scattering his goods; and having called him, he said to him, What [is] this I hear about thee? Render the account of thy stewardship, for thou mayest not any longer be steward. And the steward said in himself, What shall I do, because my lord doth take away the stewardship from me? To dig I am not able, to beg I am ashamed: -- I have known what I shall do, that, when I may be removed from the stewardship, they may receive me to their houses. And having called near each one of his lord's debtors, he said to the first, How much dost thou owe to my lord? And he said, A hundred baths of oil; and he said to him, Take thy bill, and having sat down write fifty. Afterward to another he said, And thou, how much dost thou owe? And he said, A hundred cors of wheat; and he saith to him, Take thy bill, and write eighty. And the lord commended the unrighteous steward that he did prudently, because the sons of this age are more prudent than the sons of the light, in respect to their generation. And I say to you, Make to yourselves friends out of the mammon of unrighteousness, that when ye may fail, they may receive you to the age-during tabernacles. He who is faithful in the least, [is] also faithful in much; and he who in the least [is] unrighteous, is also unrighteous in much; if, then, in the unrighteous mammon ye became not faithful -- the true who will entrust to you? And if in the other's ye became not faithful -- your own, who shall give to you? No domestic is able to serve two lords, for either the one he will hate, and the other he will love; or one he will hold to, and of the other he will be heedless; ye are not able to serve God and mammon.'

THERE'S MORE.. I WILL FINISH TOMORROW

You seem to neglect that God gave certain territories to the nations that came out of Noah. Jacob was given specific lands from God. (Ezekiel 37:25). I suggest that if you want a communal existence, that you travel to California, and give all your money to some commune, and start producing candles or weave hammocks. Or better yet, you could follow Yeshua's instructions, sell all your possessions and give the proceeds to the poor, and "follow me" (Matthew 19:21). On the other hand, as pertains to Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims abandoned a communal framework, and chose private property, and subsequently came into bounty, and gave thanks to God. It is Abraham and Jacob, loved by God, who prospered, both owning their own sheep. Abraham abandoned all to follow God's instructions, and was rewarded. The Pilgrims abandoned all, and sought God's guidance, and were rewarded.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
You've begun separating the truth, but have not recognized all of it. You also ingested certain falsehoods.

So let's start with the truth you attest to:

Matthew 6:24

None is able to serve two lords, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to the one, and despise the other; ye are not able to serve God and Mammon.

Let's not negate the qualifiers:

1) Matthew 6:14-15

For, if ye may forgive men their trespasses He also will forgive you -- your Father who [is] in the heavens; but if ye may not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

2) Matthew 6:19-21

Treasure not up to yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust disfigure, and where thieves break through and steal, but treasure up to yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth disfigure, and where thieves do not break through nor steal, for where your treasure is, there will be also your heart.

3) Matthew 6:25

Because of this I say to you, be not anxious for your life, what ye may eat, and what ye may drink, nor for your body, what ye may put on. Is not the life more than the nourishment, and the body than the clothing?

4) Matthew 6:32-33

For all these do the nations seek for, for your heavenly Father doth know that ye have need of all these; but seek ye first the reign of God and His righteousness, and all these shall be added to you.


So what does the equation say?

Psalm 24:1

To [the Father] is the earth and its fullness; the world and the inhabitants in it.


Jeremiah 27:5

Thus do ye say unto your lords, I -- I have made the earth with man, and the cattle that are on the face of the earth, by My great power, and by My stretched-out arm, and I have given it to whom it hath been right in Mine eyes.


There is no private property; mankind (with the animal kingdom) are stewards:

Luke 16:1-13
And he said also unto his disciples, 'A certain man was rich, who had a steward, and he was accused to him as scattering his goods; and having called him, he said to him, What [is] this I hear about thee? Render the account of thy stewardship, for thou mayest not any longer be steward. And the steward said in himself, What shall I do, because my lord doth take away the stewardship from me? To dig I am not able, to beg I am ashamed: -- I have known what I shall do, that, when I may be removed from the stewardship, they may receive me to their houses. And having called near each one of his lord's debtors, he said to the first, How much dost thou owe to my lord? And he said, A hundred baths of oil; and he said to him, Take thy bill, and having sat down write fifty. Afterward to another he said, And thou, how much dost thou owe? And he said, A hundred cors of wheat; and he saith to him, Take thy bill, and write eighty. And the lord commended the unrighteous steward that he did prudently, because the sons of this age are more prudent than the sons of the light, in respect to their generation. And I say to you, Make to yourselves friends out of the mammon of unrighteousness, that when ye may fail, they may receive you to the age-during tabernacles. He who is faithful in the least, [is] also faithful in much; and he who in the least [is] unrighteous, is also unrighteous in much; if, then, in the unrighteous mammon ye became not faithful -- the true who will entrust to you? And if in the other's ye became not faithful -- your own, who shall give to you? No domestic is able to serve two lords, for either the one he will hate, and the other he will love; or one he will hold to, and of the other he will be heedless; ye are not able to serve God and mammon.'

THERE'S MORE.. I WILL FINISH TOMORROW

You seem to neglect that God gave certain territories to the nations that came out of Noah. Jacob was given specific lands from God. (Ezekiel 37:25). I suggest that if you want a communal existence, that you travel to California, and give all your money to some commune, and start producing candles or weave hammocks. Or better yet, you could follow Yeshua's instructions, sell all your possessions and give the proceeds to the poor, and "follow me" (Matthew 19:21). On the other hand, as pertains to Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims abandoned a communal framework, and chose private property, and subsequently came into bounty, and gave thanks to God. It is Abraham and Jacob, loved by God, who prospered, both owning their own sheep. Abraham abandoned all to follow God's instructions, and was rewarded. The Pilgrims abandoned all, and sought God's guidance, and were rewarded.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
You seem to neglect that God gave certain territories to the nations that came out of Noah. Jacob was given specific lands from God. (Ezekiel 37:25). I suggest that if you want a communal existence, that you travel to California, and give all your money to some commune, and start producing candles or weave hammocks. Or better yet, you could follow Yeshua's instructions, sell all your possessions and give the proceeds to the poor, and "follow me" (Matthew 19:21). On the other hand, as pertains to Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims abandoned a communal framework, and chose private property, and subsequently came into bounty, and gave thanks to God. It is Abraham and Jacob, loved by God, who prospered, both owning their own sheep. Abraham abandoned all to follow God's instructions, and was rewarded. The Pilgrims abandoned all, and sought God's guidance, and were rewarded.

Wait.. You're not Christian?
 
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