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Is Baha'u'llah true or false Prophet?

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QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
Seeing you ask what prophecy it is that your fulfilling, So how would you know it's so vague, it could mean virtually anything.
Without knowing first what prophecy it is that your fulfilling.

Have you always been in the habit of saying things against something, without first knowing what it is.
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Please learn reading comprehension. I said I have YET to hear of a prophecy that isn't either vague or no different from a prediction. YOU claim that I am current fulfilling a prophecy.... I'd LOVE to hear what it is, so I can see if it fits with all of the OTHER silly so called 'prophecies' that I've heard people claim are true. The fact that you failed to even share what you think this 'prophecy' is leads me to believe that it most probably does.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
QuestioningMind said:
Please learn reading comprehension. I said I have YET to hear of a prophecy that isn't either vague or no different from a prediction. YOU claim that I am current fulfilling a prophecy.... I'd LOVE to hear what it is, so I can see if it fits with all of the OTHER silly so called 'prophecies' that I've heard people claim are true. The fact that you failed to even share what you think this 'prophecy' is leads me to believe that it most probably does.
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In the bible/scriptures, in the book of
Jude verse 4---" For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ"

Notice ( who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ)

This many people are found in fulfilling.

Jude 8---"Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities"

When people speak evil against those dignities of God', those people are fulfilling Jude 8.
These Proohecy's were given a little over
2000 years ago.
And to day people are found in fulfilling.


According to the Dictionary Dignities means
dig·ni·ty
/ˈdiɡnədē/
noun
  1. the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect.
    "a man of dignity and unbending principle"
    • a high or honorable rank or position.
      plural noun: dignities.
 
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InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
Seeing that you didn't read Revelation 5:1-5
"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof"

Therefore the Lord Christ Jesus open the seven seals in verse 5.

Otherwise we couldn't read about what is happening in those seven seals in
Revelation chapter 6.
Christ Jesus open the seven seals that's why we can read what is happening in each one of those seven seals.

In case you didn't know, we are already in the end times.
We are now in the forth seal of Revelation.
Everything that is happening in the forth seal is already happening in the world.
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Those are just visions of future. Not past. The author is just saying what he has seen in visions.
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
Where did I say they were of the pass.

John was given to see what is happening in the future just before Christ Jesus returns
and what is happening at the return of Christ Jesus.
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Here:

You have wrote:
"Therefore the Lord Christ Jesus open the seven seals in verse 5."

When did verse 5 fulfill? Give me the date...The year, and the month. You are saying, Jesus opened the seals already, right? You are saying the Book of revelation is not sealed any more, because Jesus already opened its seals, right? When did that happen? What year?
 
TransmutingSoul

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Faithofchristian said:
Just because people do not understand or have the knowledge or wisdom about the book of Revelation, does not mean it's lock or double bolted as you say. It just means it's not given to them to know.

It just means the book of Revelation was given to God's elect people, who have the wisdom of understanding with knowledge to understand the book of Revelation.

Just because people do not understand what is being said and done in the book of Revelation, does not mean it's lock. Only lock and double bolted to those people.

So it's not as lock and bolted as people may think it is.

In the book of Revelation, Christ Jesus speaks about two Israel's, one being the false Israel and the other being the true Israel of God.

But seeing the book of Revelation is lock and double bolted as you say it is. Then people wouldn't know this, because the book of Revelation is only lock and double bolted to those people.
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The people that could have been given the interpretation by God, can very well be the Baha'i as Baha'u'llah has said He is a Messenger from God, as did Muhammad before Him, the seal of the Prophets.

Thus Christ said by the Fruits you will know a True Prophet and by Prophecy you will know a True Prophet. It is the True Prophet that can give us the interpretation.

If we are not a prophet, if we are but a man, then humility would suggest we can not unravel the Metephor of the Bible without the help of one sent by God.

I have not found your personal explanations to be inspirational. I have found them to be exclusive, wheras Christ is all inclusive.

Regards Tony
 
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QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
In the bible/scriptures, in the book of
Jude verse 4---" For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ"

Notice ( who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ)

This many people are found in fulfilling.

Jude 8---"Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities"

When people speak evil against those dignities of God', those people are fulfilling Jude 8.
These Proohecy's were given a little over
2000 years ago.
And to day people are found in fulfilling.


According to the Dictionary Dignities means
dig·ni·ty
/ˈdiɡnədē/
noun
  1. the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect.
    "a man of dignity and unbending principle"
    • a high or honorable rank or position.
      plural noun: dignities.
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Wow... so anyone who questions whether any prophecy is an actual prophecy is : "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ"

And apparently my having questions about claimed prophecies ALSO make me: "Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities"

So thanks for providing evidence for my original claim. The meaningless blather that you quoted is so vague that it could apply to virtually anyone. How exactly you reached the moronic conclusion that it's referring to me is quite beyond me.

If you want to try this again, next time don't just quote a bunch of nonsense..,. take the take to demonstrate how this nonsense actually applies to me or anything in reality.
 
Flankerl

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
For Christ Jesus did say in Luke 13:33--"Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem"
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How do I respond to this without making fun of Christianity?

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Uh I can think of several Prophets who died nowhere near Jerusalem or even Canaan.


As for the Bahá'u'lláh, he seems to be another self-proclaimed prophet to ride the Jewish train by claiming to be the last one and unite the various Religions.
Where have I heard that before?
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
InvestigateTruth said:
Here:

You have wrote:
"Therefore the Lord Christ Jesus open the seven seals in verse 5."

When did verse 5 fulfill? Give me the date...The year, and the month. You are saying, Jesus opened the seals already, right? You are saying the Book of revelation is not sealed any more, because Jesus already opened its seals, right? When did that happen? What year?
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Well all a person that has wisdom,knowledge,understanding, can easily read Revelation chapter 6 and see the 7 seals are not sealed.
It doesn't take a college professor to figure that out.
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
Well all a person that has wisdom,knowledge,understanding, can easily read Revelation chapter 6 and see the 7 seals are not sealed.
It doesn't take a college professor to figure that out.
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The scriptures says, the book is sealed and yet you are saying it is not sealed. But I agree, according to scriptures, the wise understands the Book of God. But who are the wise according to the scriptures?
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
The people that could have been given the interpretation by God, can very well be the Baha'i as Baha'u'llah has said He is a Messenger from God, as did Muhammad before Him, the seal of the Prophets.

Thus Christ said by the Fruits you will know a True Prophet and by Prophecy you will know a True Prophet. It is the True Prophet that can give us the interpretation.

If we are not a prophet, if we are but a man, then humility would suggest we can not unravel the Metephor of the Bible without the help of one sent by God.

I have not found your personal explanations to be inspirational. I have found them to be exclusive, wheras Christ is all inclusive.

Regards Tony
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Neither Muhammad or Bahau'u'llah, got anything right about the book of Revelation.
All because God already given the interpretation of all things found in the book of Revelation. Himself.

As the Angel of God said to John many time come here I will show you the judgement of the great whore.

Throughout Revelation chapters 17 & 18 God foretold who the great whore is.

In Revelation 13, God foretold who the beast is that rise up out of the sea.

In Revelation 8:1 there were silence in heaven, God foretold in Revelation why there were silence in heaven.

In Revelation 8:13 the 3 woe,woe,woe.
God foretold in Revelation who the 3 woes represents. And it sure isn't Muhammad or Baha'u'llah either.

Everything that is found in Revelation, God already foretold what everything represents and who they represents all in the book of Revelation

Therefore God did not send no prophets to give anything about Revelation .
God already did that himself.
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
InvestigateTruth said:
He did not mention explicitly the relation to the Genesis. I'm just saying, when Christ was saying, Today, tomorrow, and the day after....These are not literal 24 hours days. These statements are alegorial. Each day, denotes, a new Revelation. 'Today', denotes revelation of Jesus, tomorrow, the Revelation after Jesus, which was through Muhammad, and the day after, is the Revelation of the Bab. But since the Book was sealed, these secrets were unknown. After Bahaullah unsealed the Book, it's secrets are known. 6 Days of Genesis, also, are not literal 6 Days, of physical creation. They represent 6 ages, through them guidence of God flows, till, the End, when on the 7th day, Christ returns, and a new man is created. New man denotes, a new civilization, which also is referred as another flock, who Christ must gather.
I'm not saying, you have to believe or agree with these interpretations. But just saying, why in my view, the verse you are referring does not mean all true prophets will die Jerusalem.
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Where do Krishna, Buddha, and Zoroaster fit into your "6" days of Creation?
 
Dale

Dale

Member
He's a false prophet and a false messenger and is simply using Islam and other religious beliefs to brainwash people.

He's not mentioned in the Bible or the Qur'an or in any other religious scriptures.

His followers use Biblical verses taken out of context and verses of Angels talking to prophets and insert their prophet into the text , when it's not even talking about that subject.

Please tell them to show proof and then dissect the chapters and verses with a Hebrew Lexicon and Arabic Lexicon / dictionary.

Just use Bible hub online Lexicon and open Qur'an or a different Arabic dictionary.

openburhan - The Quran Browser

Bible Hub: Search, Read, Study the Bible in Many Languages

Other Lexicons online
http://qbible.com/greek-new-testament/luke/16.html#24

http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/psalms/21.html#6

If you have any Questions contact a Muslim and a Jewish teacher, before believing anything or what anybody says and triple check everything.

And always read the entire context.

Muslims study the Unitarian answers to the Trinity Christians Bible passages claiming Jesus being God and use the Lexicon and dictionary and encyclopedia of the Bible.


We Muslims triple check everything and know Muhammad was the Last prophet and messenger of Allah and anybody who claims prophet hood is lying.
Allah said he perfected your religion and is guarding the Qur'an, so we don't need another messenger and know there's nobody coming and will never come to give another message and scriptures.

We don't even need Jesus when he returns, he's coming for the Christians to clear their falsehood and misunderstandings, and even he's only coming as a ordinary man and not as a messenger or prophet.

Muhammad is the last prophet and messenger mentioned in the Torah and New Testament and the Qur'an.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Dale said:
He's a false prophet and a false messenger and is simply using Islam and other religious beliefs to brainwash people.

He's not mentioned in the Bible or the Qur'an or in any other religious scriptures.

His followers use Biblical verses taken out of context and verses of Angels talking to prophets and insert their prophet into the text , when it's not even talking about that subject.

Please tell them to show proof and then dissect the chapters and verses with a Hebrew Lexicon and Arabic Lexicon / dictionary.

Just use Bible hub online Lexicon and open Qur'an or a different Arabic dictionary.

openburhan - The Quran Browser

Bible Hub: Search, Read, Study the Bible in Many Languages

Other Lexicons online
http://qbible.com/greek-new-testament/luke/16.html#24

http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/psalms/21.html#6

If you have any Questions contact a Muslim and a Jewish teacher, before believing anything or what anybody says and triple check everything.

And always read the entire context.

Muslims study the Unitarian answers to the Trinity Christians Bible passages claiming Jesus being God and use the Lexicon and dictionary and encyclopedia of the Bible.


We Muslims triple check everything and know Muhammad was the Last prophet and messenger of Allah and anybody who claims prophet hood is lying.
Allah said he perfected your religion and is guarding the Qur'an, so we don't need another messenger and know there's nobody coming and will never come to give another message and scriptures.

We don't even need Jesus when he returns, he's coming for the Christians to clear their falsehood and misunderstandings, and even he's only coming as a ordinary man and not as a messenger or prophet.

Muhammad is the last prophet and messenger mentioned in the Torah and New Testament and the Qur'an.
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Now that's amazing, to tell people to go and look it up in a Muslim book.
You really don't believe that a Muslim book would actually go against Muhammad.

In the new testament, John the Baptist is the last of the Holy Prophets.

As Christ Jesus said in the book of
Luke 7:28---"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he"

This means that John the Baptist, is Greater than Muhammad and that means there is no more prophets to be sent. For John the Baptist is the last Holy Prophet.
 
Dawnofhope

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Faithofchristian said:
Like I ask show one chapter and one verse in the book of Revelation that said, The book of Revelation is sealed.
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The book of Daniel 12:4 ...

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

The sevens seals in Revelation chapter 5 - 8 is an allusion to Daniel.

That is why no Christian including yourself is yet to devise a plausible exegesis after nearly two thousand years. It can only be understood once its happened. If we could predict when Christ was going to arrive He wouldn't have said;

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:36
 
Dawnofhope

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Dale said:
He's not mentioned in the Bible or the Qur'an or in any other religious scriptures.
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Of course He is;

In regards the Baha'u'llah (Glory of God) in the Bible;

Now it came to pass . . . as I was among the captives by the River Chebar . . . I saw visions of God. . . . This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD.
Ezekiel 1:1, Ezekiel 1:28

And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters . . . and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar . . . And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east. So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.
Ezekiel 43:2-6

"The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see..."
Isaiah 40:5

"The excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord ... [when] the ransomed of the Lord [the Jews] shall return."
Isaiah 35
 
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