Subduction Zone
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Magic is not an answer. In fact you keep saying that Jehovah is a liar. Why would you do that?
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Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood
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RedhorseWoman
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There are so many problems inherent in the Flood myth that creationists simply refuse to consider. Everything boils down to having God manipulate pretty much everything.
Even if the number of animals were no more than 16,000 or thereabouts (as some Flood supporters have theorized) Noah still would have had to cut, cure and store hundreds of tons of feed for those animals. Caring for even the smallest estimate of animals (feeding, watering, cleaning, exercising and grooming) by only eight people would have been an impossibility.
Plants submerged under water for months would not have survived, which would have meant that the animals that disembarked would have nothing to eat and would starve to death on their way back to wherever they came from.
Then, of course, we have the problem of vastly enhanced evolutionary processes that would have had to occur in order to account for the existence of millions of species within just a few years, which, of course, most creationists do not support.
Add to that the fact that there is NO geological evidence of a worldwide Flood.
Even if the number of animals were no more than 16,000 or thereabouts (as some Flood supporters have theorized) Noah still would have had to cut, cure and store hundreds of tons of feed for those animals. Caring for even the smallest estimate of animals (feeding, watering, cleaning, exercising and grooming) by only eight people would have been an impossibility.
Plants submerged under water for months would not have survived, which would have meant that the animals that disembarked would have nothing to eat and would starve to death on their way back to wherever they came from.
Then, of course, we have the problem of vastly enhanced evolutionary processes that would have had to occur in order to account for the existence of millions of species within just a few years, which, of course, most creationists do not support.
Add to that the fact that there is NO geological evidence of a worldwide Flood.
I already did, the study from the University of Leicester.
Here's credentials of Dr. Soon Won Hong:
https://www.zoominfo.com/p/name/515337181
You've presented this argument before. It's a rather lame attempt at twisting the facts.
Since the Holy Scripture's Author is Jehovah God, and in it He reveals some details of the Noachian Flood describing His hand in it.....by you denying the veracity of it, you're the one calling Him a liar....not me.
Lol!!
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So what?" A bogus paper is still a bogus paper. What well respected peer reviewed journal was it published in? Make sure it is not an example of a glamour journal (a pay to publish journal that will publish anything). I have looked that article in the past and it was just a bogus creationist lie from my searches, but you may be able to show that I was wrong.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How so? You keep claiming "magic" as your only excuse. The Bible was written by ignorant men. It gets so much wrong that you are in effect claiming that Jehovah is a liar and an idiot. We know that Genesis is either wrong or that God lied by planting false evidence. You really should not make false claims about others, you are already too busy calling your god a liar.
Now rather than telling fibs about others you should be trying to learn why we know that there was no flood.
Now you know that there is no physical evidence for a flood since what we see in geology is not at all what we would see if the geology of the Earth was due to a worldwide flood. Now you may not let yourself understand this. But as pointed out all life dying in one event would leave only one thin deposit of fossils, instead we have thousands upon thousands of feet of fossils. And fossils in the wrong proportions. There are far too many marine fossils and not nearly enough terrestrial fossils for a flood. Sediments cannot be sorted by floods. Fossils cannot be sorted by a flood, and microfossils (fossils on the cellular level) can definitely not be sorted by a flood.
Meanwhile let's look at organ transplants. The fact that you can't get an organ transplant from anyone on the street refutes the flood as well. In fact it is hard to find a science that does not refute the flood myth somehow. That is why we know that either there was no flood or that your version of God is a psychopathic liar. Which is why you are claiming that God is a liar whenever you say that the flood really happened.
“Glamour Journal” — lol.
Smithsonian, was one.( I’ll search for others. Although that should suffice.)
The animals came in two by two, hurrah! — University of Leicester
(For some reason, “...the server cannot be found) keeps popping up. No wonder. At least, I find nothing successfully attacking their findings.)
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
So ... magic?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The BS article about it being "ideal" is only found in creationist sources. All that the Smithsonian article said is that a grossly understocked Ark could have floated. That is all. It did not say that it was seaworthy in any way at all.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
No, no. This is your lame attempt to inject magic into your "scientific" explanation after you've run into a brick wall with actual science.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Again, this only says that an underrstocked Ark would have floated. Do you not understand that there is a huge difference between "it will float" and "it will survive even a moderate storm"? The Ark would have in reality quickly have split open at the seams and sunk in any kind of weather at all. And you are demanding that the worst storm ever by several orders of magnitude occurred. And that is just the beginning of your problems. The Ark myth predicts that no matching is needed for organ transplants. That is just one of the many many flaws in the story.
Grief! Where do I start with all this obfuscation?
No, the Scriptures do.
Who caused the Floodwaters to appear? Jehovah. And they didn’t ‘magically’ appear....they came from two sources. “The waters above” (which produced a ‘greenhouse effect’, allowing vast herds of mega grazers to flourish in the Arctic. It also is the reason why 14C ratings are inaccurate beyond c. 5,000 years ago), and “the waters below” (which, when released, caused the ‘valleys’ to form - Psalms 104).
Also, how did the animals ‘come to’ Noah? Jehovah.
Further, how did Noah get the instructions to build the Ark, which included those ideal dimensions? From Jehovah God!
So, yes, the Bible does support supernatural intervention at times. (It’s not me, lol.)
It gets nothing wrong.
Much of it is written in figurative and poetic language. Even secular scholars will tell you that. If you then want to take that language and misapply it, saying it’s stating facts...that’s your fault.
I suppose if I wrote that I had a broken heart, you’d take it literally and “prove” that I lied, because I was still living afterward! Lol
So does anthropology.
Please...here’s your famous ‘ignorance’ appeal!
Once more....your argument assumes I’m a YEC. That assumption is wrong.
No, the Scriptures do.
Who caused the Floodwaters to appear? Jehovah. And they didn’t ‘magically’ appear....they came from two sources. “The waters above” (which produced a ‘greenhouse effect’, allowing vast herds of mega grazers to flourish in the Arctic. It also is the reason why 14C ratings are inaccurate beyond c. 5,000 years ago), and “the waters below” (which, when released, caused the ‘valleys’ to form - Psalms 104).
Also, how did the animals ‘come to’ Noah? Jehovah.
Further, how did Noah get the instructions to build the Ark, which included those ideal dimensions? From Jehovah God!
So, yes, the Bible does support supernatural intervention at times. (It’s not me, lol.)
It gets nothing wrong.
Much of it is written in figurative and poetic language. Even secular scholars will tell you that. If you then want to take that language and misapply it, saying it’s stating facts...that’s your fault.
I suppose if I wrote that I had a broken heart, you’d take it literally and “prove” that I lied, because I was still living afterward! Lol
I just mentioned an obvious one. (Paleontological.) And geology, too, does support it: what do you think cut into the Grand Canyon? The Colorado River? Lol.
So does anthropology.
Please...here’s your famous ‘ignorance’ appeal!
Once more....your argument assumes I’m a YEC. That assumption is wrong.
Another strawman.
Where did I or the Bible say that? Storm!? The worst flood, yeah.
It was global, yeah. Did the event have to be real violent? No.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You keep repeating your errors. You have no valid source that says those dimensions are "idea". And even with a greenhouse effect you can only moderately raise the amount of life on the Earth nor can it support the water that you need. Now you are making up nonsense.
Now please. why shout? Now it looks like I am shouting. Just because you believe a book of myths is no excuse to shout. The Bible gets almost everything wrong in Genesis.
The Grand Canyon took millions of years to from. I can give you a photo of a tributary to the Colorado that proves this. Though you need a little education to understand this.
Nope. Try again. It too refutes the flood myth.
When you demonstrate massive ignorance and refuse to learn it is the only answer. Or are you claiming that you are lying? You are either lying or incredibly ignorant of all of the sciences. There is no other explanation.
No, no assumption that you are a YEC. Not only YEC's are amazingly ignorant. You have yet to even touch some of the objections that I brought up.
Tell me, why can't you get a kidney transplant from anyone?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Hardly. you need to learn what a strawman argument is. You claim that over 5 miles of water fell from the sky and did not cause the worst weather ever? It is easy to show that massive storms cause massive seas. Unless you want to rely on your "magic" excuse again.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
This image of a tributary to the Colorado alone tells us that the Grand Canyon took millions of years to form and explains a good part of it:
Goosenecks State Park - Wikipedia
Goosenecks State Park - Wikipedia
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
But it is you. You are the one trying to use science to back up your argument about your designer. Except when you run out of science - then you go to magic. Science doesn't work that way.
Great, so the Bible claims magic. You've just added another claim to your argument. Please demonstrate that any of these magical events occurred, and how.
Science doesn't support the Biblical claims you have cited.
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