Yes and it is possible that humanity will now face consequenses of those choices. This is because these laws are given by God for a reason, we have the choice to reject them, or follow them.
I wish all peace and happiness.
Regards Tony
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Another Business Bites The Dust Because Of Its Christian Anti-Gay Bias
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Yes and it is possible that humanity will now face consequenses of those choices. This is because these laws are given by God for a reason, we have the choice to reject them, or follow them.
I wish all peace and happiness.
Regards Tony
What consequences? Remember, the God of the Bible is only one view of God. There are many more beliefs and views of God, much older, that do not show him to be a petty, demanding, petulant tyrant prone to smiting his "beloved children" for whom they sleep with. If there were consequences for our behavior I'd think he'd be more prone to smiting those who harm others and rape the Earth, his paramount creations. Wouldn't you think that?
I'm waiting for someone to produce the oft-trotted out Matthew 19:6 Matthew 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." and Genesis 5:2 Genesis 5:2 Male and female He created them, and He blessed them. And in the day they were created, He called them "man."
But you're right that this refers to divorce, not marriage. Cherry-picking at its finest.
I think our One God is all wise.
We will have to let the future unfold and see the result.
Regards Tony
The future has been unfolding for 13.7 billion years, it's been the end times since man first fell out of the trees, "God" has been threatening the world since stories about him were created. It's all a control mechanism to keep people in line, a mechanism devised by those with any degree of power. I prefer to think of God as someone who maintains order in the universe, keeps it running as smoothly as possible, keeps the stars and planets in their orbits, maintains dharma, has better things to do than peek into people's bedrooms. Which makes me think... how does he know I have sex with a man if he's not spying on me? And as importantly, why is he spying on me having sex? Eeewww?
Shadow Wolf
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Do we have an official count for business closed due to homophobia compared to businesses promoted and supported due to homophobia?
The future has been unfolding for 13.7 billion years, it's been the end times since man first fell out of the trees, "God" has been threatening the world since stories about him were created. It's all a control mechanism to keep people in line, a mechanism devised by those with any degree of power. I prefer to think of God as someone who maintains order in the universe, keeps it running as smoothly as possible, keeps the stars and planets in their orbits, maintains dharma, has better things to do than peek into people's bedrooms. Which makes me think... how does he know I have sex with a man if he's not spying on me? And as importantly, why is he spying on me having sex? Eeewww?
I see God knows all our thoughts before we have them. God knows our beginning and our end.
I wish you always happy and well in your choices.
Regards Tony
PruePhillip
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That view of God as "petty, demanding, petulant..." is born out in the history of the Jewish people.
The claims made by the God of the bible are not like the claims of other gods.
The biblical God stated, in the Bronze Age, that the Hebrews would found a nation but that nation
would only last until the Messiah came (Jacob, Genesis.) The Jews would be scattered over the earth
and Jerusalem would be trampled under the feet of the Gentiles until the "time of the Gentiles be
fulfilled." (Jesus, Gospels) The Jews will return a "second time" from nations that "were their graves"
(Isaiah) and "take it back with the sword." (Ezekiel)
No, it's what fundamentalist and evangelical Christians portray him as. And they're the ones trying to run things. I don't there's a Jew alive that thinks of God that way.
I am already and have been, but thank you all the same.
1 Tim 4:1-5
Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits and demonic teachings, 2 influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared. 3 They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creation of God is good and no food is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving. 5 For it is sanctified by God’s word and by prayer.
Gal 3:27-28:
27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.
Perhaps allow me to try and be a little more accurate. Definitions: truth is that which is true, beliefs are that which we accept to be true, but could well be mistaken, and faith is what we bind ourselves to, right or wrong.
Religious conscience, as you put it, suggests that there are things that you can accept as wrong, presumably for yourself, and then with wide brush paint all over everybody else. It does not appear to matter very much whether this is hurtful to anyone else, as long as it make the believer feel good about themselves. I wonder, however, if for the supposed "Christian," this is how the Jesus I read about in the Bible would feel. And I think this is a key point.
I grew up gay in the sixties, a very uncomfortable time. Police could beat you up, and who were you going to go to to make a complaint? Just knowing that everybody around you was allowed to hate you for what you could not help being was immensely hurtful. But yes, that is what Christians, pretending to be emulating the namesake of their religion, did...all the time.
And all in the name of what you cite as "the NT says about marriage and homosexuals." No doubt, the NT knew everything about everything that was and could ever be, though unfortunately it neglected to mention most of it, like brushing your teeth for health.
In Canada, the United Church of Canada, one of our largest denominations, has accepted homosexuals and same sex marriage because they made the effort to look at what is now known (not what was known 2000 years ago) about human nature, and tried to fit that understanding within the context of the Bible. And that required them to think, rather than merely believe, knowing that belief can be wrong.
I will be honest with you, and say that I sincerely believe that my humanist ideals are much more closely representative of what the Christ of the NT seems to have taught in the Gospels (forgetting much of what Paul, and worse, false Paul texts, had to say) than many who call themselves Christians. I at least do know how to love without judging, and I will serve people who don't believe what I believe.
Because, you know, I could be wrong...
PruePhillip
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No? So what do religious Jews think when they read they were captive in Babylon
for 70 years because of their sins, but then they went into exile for nearly 2,000
years... for what? Their virtues?
That 2,000 years included pogroms, genocide and holocaust.
What do religious Jews think when they read in the bible they will come out of nations
that were their "graves" and return to Israel in the last days?
What some Jews think isn't the deciding factor in the truth of the grand narrative.
shmogie
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This is Biblical exegesis ? So, based upon your implied explanation of Tim 4: 3 The last days he is speaking of began at approx 40 AD and has lasted till today ?
Gal 3:27-28 , Literally Jews and Greeks stopped being Jews and Greeks ? But the congregations of the time were made up of slaves and free folk, and men and women stopped being men and women ? Christ called himself a door, was he made of wood ?
Of course Paul is talking about equality of all people in the Church. Whatever race, whatever social status whatever sex, all are equal before God.
These verses have absolutely nothing to do with homosexual marriage, and you know it.
Kinda going off the rails, cowboy.
No problem with this. The market has spoken. But remember this day when a gay wedding publication closes doors for excluding heterosexual couples. I’m sure many of you celebrating the demise of this publication would be crying foul if the situation were reversed.
shmogie
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Certainly you re entitled to your own views.
I personally apologize for alleged Christians mistreating you. They treat people wrongly, the opposite of how they are supposed to treat all people, and condemn themselves in Gods eyes.
Any church is free to do as they choose, as is their right.
In the end, God will judge
shmogie
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Businesses that close because the owners have a fear of homosexuals ? Not heard of any.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Wow! What a way to play word gymnastics and try to put the focus on something entirely unrelated and obscure the meaning of a word to try to make it seem like something other than what it actually is.
But you have a history of doing that, it seems.
And don't forget, phobia doesn't refer exclusively to fear. It does include hatred, hostility, aversion, loathing, and detesting.
I, for one, wouldn't be crying anything.