Does the Bible mention Islam?

Faithofchristian · Nov 19, 2018

adrian009 said:
Both views are correct. The Holy Spirit that descended upon the Apostles in Acts is the Holy Spirit that lives inside a true believer.

The Holy Spirit or Comforter the Gospel of John talks about is a man, not the Spirit of Christ in Acts of the Apostles 2.

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:17

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 14:26

The Holy Spirit in Acts didn't teach all things, only reminded the apostles of what Christ taught and to follow His commands. There was nothing the Apostles taught that was in addition to what Christ taught. They could interpret what Jesus said, but they didn't have the authority to add to it. In other words they didn't start teaching anything that the apostles had not received from Christ when He was still alive.

You said ( The Holy Spirit or Comforter the Gospel of John talks about is a man, not the Spirit of Christ in Acts of the Apostles 2

My question is, As to how do you get the Comforter as being a man?

When there is no where in John 14:26, that Christ ever said the Comforter as being a man.
So how is it that you say the Comforter as being a man.

As you said above ( The Holy Spirit in Acts didn't teach all things)
But in fact it was the Holy Spirit that teach all things to the disciples.
For Paul to had written what he did and to what John had written in the book of Revelation, it was the Holy Spirit of God that teach Paul and John and all the other disciples what to write down and it was by the Holy Spirit that brings back to their remembrance what Christ teach them.

BilliardsBall · Nov 19, 2018

adrian009 said:
You will need to provide biblical citations to back up your statements. The clear text of Matthew 26:63-65 has clearly shown you are incorrect and going round in circles.

Once again you need citations or references to back up statements like this.

To the contrary, Jesus uses the designation 'Son of God' on multiple occasions throughout all Gospels in regards to His own self, not the nation of Israel. The key verse is;

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

This is important to emphasise Jesus' Uniqueness and Greatness in contrast with the quote we are all sons of God.

The phrase Sons of God and Children of God are used many times through both the Old and New Testaments.

Sons of God: Genesis 6:2, Genesis 6:4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, Matthew 5:9, Luke 20:36, Romans 8:14, Romans 8:19, Galatians 3:26

Children of God: John 1:12, John 11:52, Romans 8:16, Romans 8:16, Romans 8:21, Romans 9:8

The significance of John 3:16 in contrast to these other verses along with the story of the virgin birth clearly sets Jesus apart from ordinary men. So the 'Son of God' designation highlights the Uniqueness and Greatness of Jesus when compared to the rest of humanity.

Not according to the King James translation it doesn't.

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:30

Is your quotation choice a joke?

63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

1) The high priest called blasphemy, meaning, EQUATES ONESELF WITH GOD, after Jesus did so, exactly as I said.

2) The "clouds of Heaven/power" reference is a direct allusion to a messianic passage in Daniel where the Messiah is described as in Heaven with God, in the power of God, at God's right hand, Lord of Judgment.

3) If you think the singular Son of God is above the multiple Sons of God, you are strengthening my point, Jesus was crucified for claiming to be unique, God.

Faithofchristian · Nov 19, 2018

adrian009 said:
I agree that Jeremiah 31:31-34 doesn't fit Jesus. I wonder that it means to the Jewish people though and what it will look like once its been fulfilled.

Jeremiah 31:31-34, Very much fits Jesus, if a person knows when exactly
Jeremiah 31:31-34, will take place.

Jeremiah 31:31-34, was not to take place during the time Jesus was here on earth.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 very much fits Jesus, But the question is,
When does Jeremiah 31:31-34 take place.

TransmutingSoul · Nov 19, 2018

Tumah said:
Of course you do. That would perfectly fit the context.

Or the Prophecy has been fulfilled and Gods Messengers are just that.

My Love of our One God sees this is the case.

Consider, no person of any Faith can say they are chosen or better, we believe we all have One God, or we do not. All religious predudice vanishes and at last One God is a reality;

Zechariah 14:9 "The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name."

We now know God is all the Prophets and Mesengers in all Names. The 'Glory of God' has been manifested for this Great Day of God, promissed in all scriptures.

Yet the world still waits and the waiting has consequenses, to which recorded prophecy says we will all have to face.

Regards Tony

Dawnofhope · Nov 19, 2018

BilliardsBall said:
Is your quotation choice a joke?

63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

1) The high priest called blasphemy, meaning, EQUATES ONESELF WITH GOD, after Jesus did so, exactly as I said.

2) The "clouds of Heaven/power" reference is a direct allusion to a messianic passage in Daniel where the Messiah is described as in Heaven with God, in the power of God, at God's right hand, Lord of Judgment.

3) If you think the singular Son of God is above the multiple Sons of God, you are strengthening my point, Jesus was crucified for claiming to be unique, God.

English doesn't seem to be your forte. That's OK because we call all refer to a dictionary.

Blasphemy means;

the action or offence of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
"he was detained on charges of blasphemy"

synonyms: profanity, profaneness, sacrilege, irreligiousness, irreverence, taking the Lord's name in vain, swearing, curse, cursing, impiety, impiousness, ungodliness, unholiness, desecration, disrespect;

So claiming to be God when you are not could be considered blasphemy. So too claiming to be the Son of God or the Messiah. Blasphemy can refer to a whole range of actions and statements, not just declaring yourself God.

The phrase 'sitting at the right hand of God' means a close and important relationship. It does not mean Jesus is God though in some respects He can be. If I sit on the right hand side of the chief executive officer at a company I work at, it does not mean I am the chief executive officer.

The verse John 3:16 distinguishes Jesus as the only begotten Son of God. In that sense He is set apart from all other sons of God.

Matthew 24:30 is Messianic in reference to the return of Christ. It also refers to Daniel 7:13 as Jesus also was the son of man who appeared on clouds to His people.

Being the Messiah, appearing on clouds of heaven or sitting at the right hand side of God does not mean Jesus was God.

TransmutingSoul · Nov 19, 2018

rosends said:
It could be that 6 flavors of ice cream are mentioned there. Since I see no mention of four I am not bound to that number, and I just really like ice cream. Where exactly do you see 4 faiths in those 2 verses? Just curious.

The passage from KJV Bible

"And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them."

Sinai was a reference to moses Revelation
Seir was a reference to Jesus the Christ,
Mt Paran is a reference to Muhammad,
Ten thousands of saints is a reference to the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

These are significant places and events of those Revelations.

Regards Tony

Faithofchristian · Nov 19, 2018

adrian009 said:
The major problem with a literal interpretation of Acts of the apostles 1:9-11 is that we have Christ ascending through the stratosphere to go to heaven. Of course that relies on a cosmology that is now redundant, unless we want to believe that Heaven where God resides is literally in the sky and hell is literally below the earth.

I think heaven signifies the realm of God's Revelation to man, so the Messiah brings a new Revelation from God as Jesus did and Moses before Him. That's exciting because it leaves the location open.

I agree with the part about how we can all, including Christians be deceived by Satan. That could mean being attached to man made ideas and doctrines that obscure the truth...a little like how the Jews missed Jesus the first time round.

It will be a little like the days of Noah and the great flood (Matthew 24:27-29).

Then the rapture will come (Matthew 24:40-41).

I can feel myself being lifted up to heaven just thinking about it!

You know, according to the rapture theory, Jesus is supposedly to come just before the tribulation to rapture people out.

Jesus speaking about the tribulation in the book of Matthew 24, said in verse 22--"And except those days should be shorten, there should no flesh be saved, but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened"

If people are to be raptured out just before the tribulation, Then what need would there be, for Jesus to shortened the days of the tribulation, seeing there would be no one there, to shorten the days of the tribulation for, if people are raptured out.

Also God given in the book of Revelation, the last prophecy that is to happen,
That before Jesus can return, this last prophecy that God given in Revelation has to happen first.

That by the time this last prophecy happens the tribulation is over. So what good is the rapture going to do, Seeing the last prophecy God has given in Revelation, Jesus can not return until this last prophecy happens first and when this last prophecy happens the tribulation is over.

TransmutingSoul · Nov 19, 2018

BilliardsBall said:
Is your quotation choice a joke?

63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.

1) The high priest called blasphemy, meaning, EQUATES ONESELF WITH GOD, after Jesus did so, exactly as I said.

2) The "clouds of Heaven/power" reference is a direct allusion to a messianic passage in Daniel where the Messiah is described as in Heaven with God, in the power of God, at God's right hand, Lord of Judgment.

3) If you think the singular Son of God is above the multiple Sons of God, you are strengthening my point, Jesus was crucified for claiming to be unique, God.

Acts 7:55 give us this to consider;

55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

The Glory of God and Jesus at the right of God. The Father was with the Son at the right of God.

Baha'u'llah translated is 'Glory of God'.

Regards Tony

rosends · Nov 19, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
The passage from KJV Bible

"And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them."

Sinai was a reference to moses Revelation
Seir was a reference to Jesus the Christ,
Mt Paran is a reference to Muhammad,
Ten thousands of saints is a reference to the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

These are significant places and events of those Revelations.

Regards Tony

Sinai is a desert and ice cream is a dessert
Seir reminds me of the "sayer" who says "ice cream"
Paran is like a farm which is where milk comes from and we make ice cream from milk
The myriads love ice cream.

This seems conclusively about ice cream. I'm not sure how you can conclude otherwise.

Faithofchristian · Nov 19, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Or the Prophecy has been fulfilled and Gods Messengers are just that.

My Love of our One God sees this is the case.

Consider, no person of any Faith can say they are chosen or better, we believe we all have One God, or we do not. All religious predudice vanishes and at last One God is a reality;

Zechariah 14:9 "The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name."

We now know God is all the Prophets and Mesengers in all Names. The 'Glory of God' has been manifested for this Great Day of God, promissed in all scriptures.

Yet the world still waits and the waiting has consequenses, to which recorded prophecy says we will all have to face.

Regards Tony

Maybe you should explain that to God, seeing how God has chosen his elect people Israel. To be his special people.
Like no others.
In the book of Revelation, John was given to see the New Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God.
And had a wall great and high, and had
Twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names there on, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

If to what say is to be right, Then why is it that the names of the 12 tribes of Israel are the only names to be found on the 12 Gates of the New Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God.
Revelation 21:10-12.

TransmutingSoul · Nov 19, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Maybe you should explain that to God, seeing how God has chosen his elect people Israel. To be his special people.
Like no others.
In the book of Revelation, John was given to see the New Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God.
And had a wall great and high, and had
Twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names there on, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

If to what say is to be right, Then why is it that the names of the 12 tribes of Israel are the only names to be found on the 12 Gates of the New Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God.
Revelation 21:10-12.

It is what has happened. What does it matter what you or I say? It is Gods Will, or it is not.

We get to choose and it is that choice that is important, not who makes it.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Nov 19, 2018

rosends said:
Sinai is a desert and ice cream is a dessert
Seir reminds me of the "sayer" who says "ice cream"
Paran is like a farm which is where milk comes from and we make ice cream from milk
The myriads love ice cream.

This seems conclusively about ice cream. I'm not sure how you can conclude otherwise.

I like ice cream, but I offer you may need help, it appears you have a fixation with it.

All the best

Regards Tony

rosends · Nov 19, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I like ice cream, but I offer you may need help, it appears you have a fixation with it.

All the best

Regards Tony

why, because I find reference to it where there is no such reference? If that makes for "fixation"...

TransmutingSoul · Nov 19, 2018

rosends said:
why, because I find reference to it where there is no such reference? If that makes for "fixation"...

The passage is reference to 4 Revelations from God or it is not. There are scholars that would agree that these passages do indicate what was posted, that is where I got the idea from.

You can find what you want and play with God all you want, such has been the way of many in the past.

Regards Tony

Dawnofhope · Nov 19, 2018

PruePhillip said:
The New Covenant of Jeremiah is the one spoken of by many authors of the old covenant.
There was no more law - but a law of the heart (more strict than the "letter of the law") and
how could a person's heart be moved? By the story of The One who came to die for us.

Faithofchristian said:
Jeremiah 31:31-34, Very much fits Jesus, if a person knows when exactly
Jeremiah 31:31-34, will take place.

Jeremiah 31:31-34, was not to take place during the time Jesus was here on earth.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 very much fits Jesus, But the question is,
When does Jeremiah 31:31-34 take place.

Jesus brought a new Covenant so in that sense Jeremiah 31:31 is partially fulfilled but not completely on account of Jeremiah 31:32-34. Jesus certainly laid the groundwork for a complete fulfilment in the future with having the gospel preached to all nations (Matthew 24:15) a task finally completed by the mid 19th century. To be fair, Islam laid a similar groundwork. The Quran is just as widespread as the Gospel. Islam is founded on both the Torah and Gospel as is Christianity. Both Islam and Christianity are founded on the One God (monotheism) and the prophets that have gone before.

Quran 2:136
We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them . .

As Muhammad also mediated a Covenant, or agreement between God and peoples, Jeremiah 31:31 applies in part Muhammad as it does to Jesus. Neither the Covenant of Jesus nor the Covenant of Muhammad have been accepted by the Jewish people.

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rosends · Nov 19, 2018

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
You can find what you want and play with God all you want, such has been the way of many in the past.

Hey -- I was going to say that!

Dawnofhope · Nov 19, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
Not realizing that God's kingdom and the angels are in another dimension from us, that we as mortals can not see.

So in a sense God's kingdom could very well be above the earth only in another dimension from us, That we as mortals can not see.

Faithofchristian said:
It's like the wind/air, no one as actually seen the wind/air, to know what the wind, air actually looks like, We can see the wind, air, blowing, but we can not actually see the wind/air to know what it actually looks like.
The same with God and the kingdom of heaven and the angels, that are in another dimension from us. That we as mortals can not see.
So how would you not know of a certain that, God's kingdom of heaven and the angels could very well be above the earth. Just in another dimension from us. That we can not see.

That's true. That is why Acts of the Apostles 1:9-11 must be seen symbolically, not literally. Jesus did not ascent through the stratosphere to be with His Faith in the physical heavens. He returned to heaven where He came from originally in the unseen realm (John 6:38).

Faithofchristian said:
As Christ Jesus said himself in the book of Luke 17:20--"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation"

You see even the Pharisees thought the kingdom of God could be seen, But as Christ said ( The kingdom of God comes not with observation)
Meaning that the kingdom of God is in another dimension from us, that can not be seen with observation.

Luke 20-21 are clear about the kingdom of God within. However, its also part of God's plan to establish His rule upon the earth so we have peace and justice.

Isaiah 2:2-5
Isaiah 9:6-7
Isaiah 11:6-10

God would want His kingdom to be established, not just in our hearts but throughout the whole world.

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Matthew 6:9-10

The kingdom of God must be established on our hearts first, then made manifest through a visible world order.

Faithofchristian · Nov 19, 2018

adrian009 said:
Jesus brought a new Covenant so in that sense Jeremiah 31:31 is partially fulfilled but not completely on account of Jeremiah 31:32-34. Jesus certainly laid the groundwork for a complete fulfilment in the future with having the gospel preached to all nations (Matthew 24:15) a task finally completed by the mid 19th century. To be fair, Islam laid a similar groundwork. The Quran is just as widespread as the Gospel. Islam is founded on both the Torah and Gospel as is Christianity. Both Islam and Christianity are founded on the One God (monotheism) and the prophets that have gone before.

Quran 2:136
We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them . .

As Muhammad also mediated a Covenant, or agreement between God and peoples, Jeremiah 31:31 applies in part Muhammad as it does to Jesus. Neither the Covenant of Jesus nor the Covenant of Muhammad have been accepted by the Jewish people.

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That of Jeremiah 31:31-34, The new covenant which God shall make with Israel and Judah, has not happened yet, not until Christ Jesus returns.
Muhammad has noting nor will ever have anything to do with the book of Jeremiah.
Or with anything of the scriptures of Israel.

The New Testament covenant that Christ Jesus sealed in his blood, The Gentiles are included in.
Before the old testament, covenant was only for Israel.
So the old testament, covenant had to be changed to include the Gentiles.
So now there's a New covenant, that includes the Gentiles.

Jeremiah is about when God shall make a New Covenant with Israel and Judah. This all takes place when Christ Jesus returns.

God foretold all about this in the book of Revelation.

Faithofchristian · Nov 19, 2018

adrian009 said:
That's true. That is why Acts of the Apostles 1:9-11 must be seen symbolically, not literally. Jesus did not ascent through the stratosphere to be with His Faith in the physical heavens. He returned to heaven where He came from originally in the unseen realm (John 6:38).

Luke 20-21 are clear about the kingdom of God within. However, its also part of God's plan to establish His rule upon the earth so we have peace and justice.

Isaiah 2:2-5
Isaiah 9:6-7
Isaiah 11:6-10

God would want His kingdom to be established, not just in our hearts but throughout the whole world.

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Matthew 6:9-10

The kingdom of God must be established on our hearts first, then made manifest through a visible world order.

God's kingdom will be established in Israel in the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from God.
The old Jerusalem will be replace with the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from God.

Further more when Jesus was taken up The disciples of Jesus was literally watching as Jesus was being taken up.

There's no symbolic to it, it all happen literally. As the disciples of Jesus stood by watching, Why else would the two angels tell the disciples, This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen Jesus go into heaven"
Acts 1:10-11.

TransmutingSoul · Nov 19, 2018

Faithofchristian said:
God's kingdom will be established in Israel in the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from God.
The old Jerusalem will be replace with the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven from God.

Further more when Jesus was taken up The disciples of Jesus was literally watching as Jesus was being taken up.

There's no symbolic to it, it all happen literally. As the disciples of Jesus stood by watching, Why else would the two angels tell the disciples, This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen Jesus go into heaven"
Acts 1:10-11.

If it is a material fulfillment one is after, then this could be the New Jerusalem, 'City of Peace'.

Regards Tony

Does the Bible mention Islam?

Is Islam mentioned in the Bible

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This poll doesn't reflect my thinking

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