Unlucky people

Spiderman · Nov 17, 2018

I know of a guy that's constantly experiencing misfortune. First off, he has been severely sexually abused. He also recently broke his neck from a bike wreck.

Things are constantly getting stolen from him. He carries knives with him because he gets jumped. He cannot hardly see out of one eye permanently because of one of those. I go walking outside at night here regularly and have only gotten punched a few times when I really deserved it, because I was high and talking trash. He gets attacked for basically no reason.

It seems he's always experiencing drama, sorrow, events that cause anger, humiliation, and fear. He also has had some major physical problems and many mental problems. He always has something new happening to be sorrowful and angry about everywhere he goes, including being mistreated at AA meetings and Christ recovery meetings. I've never had that problem at any recovery meetings.

It seems some people have bad luck or a curse that follows them. Have you ever known someone like that? What was going on with them?

Nakosis · Nov 17, 2018

PopeADope said:
I know of a guy that's constantly experiencing misfortune. First off, he has been severely sexually abused. He also recently broke his neck from a bike wreck.

Things are constantly getting stolen from him. He carries knives with him because he gets jumped. He cannot hardly see out of one eye permanently because of one of those. I go walking outside at night here regularly and have only gotten punched a few times when I really deserved it, because I was high and talking trash. He gets attacked for basically no reason.

It seems he's always experiencing drama, sorrow, events that cause anger, humiliation, and fear. He also has had some major physical problems and many mental problems. He always has something new happening to be sorrowful and angry about everywhere he goes, including being mistreated at AA meetings and Christ recovery meetings. I've never had that problem at any recovery meetings.

It seems some people have bad luck or a curse that follows them. Have you ever known someone like that? What was going on with them?

Karma, not that I believe in it certainly not in any mystical sense but maybe who we are, the way we look, the way we talk, the way we act. A lot of this not under conscious control just causes the world, mainly other folks to treat us in a certain way.

People have always seen me as trustworthy. No good reason for it as far as I can tell, but the perception itself puts a expectation on me that I feel pressured to live up to.

It maybe difficult if not impossible to "change" who we are. We act, decide, talk, look as we do. This is how the "world" see us, reacts to us. This puts us into a process that often repeats itself.

Maybe this is a better understanding of karma. Not that we are punish/held accountable by some universal force but we are who we are and this creates a kind of recurring process as we interact with reality.

I see myself as lucky, unforeseen fortune often comes my way without any intent or understanding on my part. I suspect this is mainly because of how I behave/look interact with reality without any conscious intent.

IsaiahX · Nov 17, 2018

"As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, 'Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' Jesus answered, 'It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him."

- John 9:1-3, ESV

God's ultimate goal is always deliverance. That was the whole purpose of suffering in the first place:

"For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all."

- Romans 11:32, ESV

At least, thats how I see it.

Dave Watchman · Nov 17, 2018

PopeADope said:
I know of a guy that's constantly experiencing misfortune. First off, he has been severely sexually abused. He also recently broke his neck from a bike wreck.

Things are constantly getting stolen from him. He carries knives with him because he gets jumped. He cannot hardly see out of one eye permanently because of one of those. I go walking outside at night here regularly and have only gotten punched a few times when I really deserved it, because I was high and talking trash. He gets attacked for basically no reason.

It seems he's always experiencing drama, sorrow, events that cause anger, humiliation, and fear. He also has had some major physical problems and many mental problems. He always has something new happening to be sorrowful and angry about everywhere he goes, including being mistreated at AA meetings and Christ recovery meetings. I've never had that problem at any recovery meetings.

It seems some people have bad luck or a curse that follows them. Have you ever known someone like that? What was going on with them?

And even after all these things, he still would seem more fortunate than that guy from Scotland who put peanut butter on his genitals and then his dog bit them off.

That was UNBELIEVABLE.

‘The LORD is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, to the third and the fourth generation.’

Axe Elf · Nov 17, 2018

Seems like you've already forgotten the lesson from Carlos Castaneda in your thread about some other "unfortunate" bastid.

I give up.

icehorse · Nov 17, 2018

PopeADope said:
It seems some people have bad luck or a curse that follows them. Have you ever known someone like that? What was going on with them?

While I'm sure there are exceptions, most of the "bad luck" people I've encountered largely bring it on themselves. Maybe they take a lot of unnecessary risks, maybe they're frequently preoccupied, that sort of thing. Unnecessary risk is probably the most common factor I've seen, and it comes in many flavors.

Nakosis · Nov 17, 2018

Dave Watchman said:
And even after all these things, he still would seem more fortunate than that guy from Scotland who put peanut butter on his genitals and then his dog bit them off.

That was UNBELIEVABLE.

‘The LORD is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, to the third and the fourth generation.’

What the hell!!?

Scottish Man’s Crotch ‘Smeared in Peanut Butter’ Before Dog Bit Off His Genitals

Biggie the testical eating bulldog, RIP.
Maybe they should have put Biggie's owner down instead.
Well at least Biggie made sure his owner can't have anymore kids.

Brickjectivity · Nov 17, 2018

Nakosis said:
Karma, not that I believe in it certainly not in any mystical sense but maybe who we are, the way we look, the way we talk, the way we act. A lot of this not under conscious control just causes the world, mainly other folks to treat us in a certain way.

People have always seen me as trustworthy. No good reason for it as far as I can tell, but the perception itself puts a expectation on me that I feel pressured to live up to.

It maybe difficult if not impossible to "change" who we are. We act, decide, talk, look as we do. This is how the "world" see us, reacts to us. This puts us into a process that often repeats itself.

Maybe this is a better understanding of karma. Not that we are punish/held accountable by some universal force but we are who we are and this creates a kind of recurring process as we interact with reality.

I see myself as lucky, unforeseen fortune often comes my way without any intent or understanding on my part. I suspect this is mainly because of how I behave/look interact with reality without any conscious intent.

I think its most people that are unfortunate. Fortunate people are more rare. I'd say currently its about 35% fortunate to 65% unfortunate. That is pretty close to how good it gets. Historically its been much worse I think. Then you've got subcategories. Within the top 35% there is a fortunate and an unfortunate group. If you multiply that means over all there is a top 0.35^2 = .1225 at the top of good fortune. That's the 'Cream of the crop' of good fortune. That's my guesstimate. 12.25%

Trailblazer · Nov 17, 2018

Brickjectivity said:
I think its most people that are unfortunate. Fortunate people are more rare. I'd say currently its about 35% fortunate to 65% unfortunate. That is pretty close to how good it gets. Historically its been much worse I think. Then you've got subcategories. Within the top 35% there is a fortunate and an unfortunate group. If you multiply that means over all there is a top 0.35^2 = .1225 at the top of good fortune. That's the 'Cream of the crop' of good fortune. That's my guesstimate. 12.25%

Most of the people I work with are 12.25% and I am unfortunate, so it seems to me that it is more like 85% are fortunate and 15% are unfortunate, but maybe I am working in a misrepresentation of society as a whole, I don't really know... All I know that it hurts like hell to be surrounded by happy people all day long, when my life is spiraling downward most of the time, through no lack of effort on my part to remedy any situation.... It just doesn't seem fair.

Brickjectivity · Nov 17, 2018

Trailblazer said:
Most of the people I work with are 12.25% and I am unfortunate, so it seems to me that it is more like 85% are fortunate and 15% are unfortunate, but maybe I am working in a misrepresentation of society as a whole, I don't really know... All I know that it hurts like hell to be surrounded by happy people all day long, when my life is spiraling downward most of the time, through no lack of effort on my part to remedy any situation.... It just doesn't seem fair.

Sorry to hear that. I could come up with some imaginary numbers (or if you prefer we could call them complex numbers).

Trailblazer · Nov 17, 2018

Brickjectivity said:
Sorry to hear that. I could come up with some imaginary numbers (or if you prefer we could call them complex numbers).

I am not sure what you mean by imaginary numbers and complex numbers.

I was also not sure what you meant by lucky vs. unlucky. Of course there are degrees of lucky and unlucky and their is material luck and spiritual luck and psychological luck.

But it just seems that those people at work are living in another world, one I am unfamiliar with. A Baha'i friend says that I just think they are happy, and that nobody is really happy all the time, but I think they are.... It is something I don't understand at all. My whole life has been an almost constant struggle. I think it is an interplay between the hand I was dealt with a deficient childhood and a genetic predisposition to depression and anxiety and my life circumstances. So I think much of it is just fate.

Most people seem to be happy because of something related to the material world or physical pleasures, but I have no interest in those things, so in that sense I am living in another world. I don't even think those of my religion understand how I feel -- It is not a matter of sacrifice, I really don't want any of that anymore. I could have it all if I wanted it because I am quite wealthy by any American standards. I just have no interest at all. Other than animals and nature and conversing with people on forums about intellectual and spiritual things, I have no interest in the material world anymore.

Brickjectivity · Nov 17, 2018

Trailblazer said:
I am not sure what you mean by imaginary numbers and complex numbers.

I was also not sure what you meant by lucky vs. unlucky. Of course there are degrees of lucky and unlucky and their is material luck and spiritual luck and psychological luck.

But it just seems that those people at work are living in another world, one I am unfamiliar with. A Baha'i friend says that I just think they are happy, and that nobody is really happy all the time, but I think they are.... It is something I don't understand at all. My whole life has been an almost constant struggle. I think it is an interplay between the hand I was dealt with a deficient childhood and a genetic predisposition to depression and anxiety and my life circumstances. So I think much of it is just fate.

Most people seem to be happy because of something related to the material world or physical pleasures, but I have no interest in those things, so in that sense I am living in another world. I don't even think those of my religion understand how I feel -- It is not a matter of sacrifice, I really don't want any of that anymore. I could have it all if I wanted it because I am quite wealthy by any American standards. I just have no interest at all. Other than animals and nature and conversing with people on forums about intellectual and spiritual things, I have no interest in the material world anymore.

I think I have experienced something like depression for long periods of time, not from chemical imbalances but just from situations. Depression can give you special insights into some things. Alternately it also blocks some kinds of reasoning, some very good kinds. Its analogous to placing your ear to the ground to listen for approaching galloping horses. You just might detect the far off horses through the ground, but your head is on the ground.

I think depression is a low chemical energy state of thinking and that it is why our brains fall into depression so easily -- to save energy. Your brain is literally saving energy when you are depressed, saving actual calories that otherwise might be spent puzzling out creative thoughts about things to do, decorating and problem solving. Its also saving energy by limiting your physical activity. Its a very cruel thermodynamic joke. Its probably distantly related to hibernation, but its obviously related to thoughts of suicide, too. What a terrible thing depression is. I think the human race could stand to lose it. I think anything that tricks your brain into burning more energy and having extra energy is probably part of the key to getting through depression. That's I think why for some people its exercise. For others it could be a change in diet. Truly sometimes it comes down to medicine. Its all a trick, getting the brain to start pumping out the calories. I bet there are rare individuals whose brain chemistry improves when they stare at certain patterns of light but what patterns I do not know.

The imaginary numbers? I made a mistake in that post. I was going to say that if people have levels of good fortune (which we don't really), then invisible future windfalls were like imaginary numbers. That post was going to be slightly humorous, too; but it didn't work out. Subtle humor is not always appropriate and also can be difficult to implement.

I'm glad you aren't suffering monetarily. Things can be a lot worse when you have to worry about income. In addition to depression you can feel shame on top of the depression, anxiety about debts etc. Other things that make depression worse are loneliness, anger, drug problems or being a social outcast. Its very easy for life to totally suck.

Trailblazer · Nov 18, 2018

Brickjectivity said:
I think I have experienced something like depression for long periods of time, not from chemical imbalances but just from situations. Depression can give you special insights into some things. Alternately it also blocks some kinds of reasoning, some very good kinds. Its analogous to placing your ear to the ground to listen for approaching galloping horses. You just might detect the far off horses through the ground, but your head is on the ground.

I think depression is a low chemical energy state of thinking and that it is why our brains fall into depression so easily -- to save energy. Your brain is literally saving energy when you are depressed, saving actual calories that otherwise might be spent puzzling out creative thoughts about things to do, decorating and problem solving. Its also saving energy by limiting your physical activity. Its a very cruel thermodynamic joke. Its probably distantly related to hibernation, but its obviously related to thoughts of suicide, too. What a terrible thing depression is. I think the human race could stand to lose it. I think anything that tricks your brain into burning more energy and having extra energy is probably part of the key to getting through depression. That's I think why for some people its exercise. For others it could be a change in diet. Truly sometimes it comes down to medicine. Its all a trick, getting the brain to start pumping out the calories. I bet there are rare individuals whose brain chemistry improves when they stare at certain patterns of light but what patterns I do not know.

The imaginary numbers? I made a mistake in that post. I was going to say that if people have levels of good fortune (which we don't really), then invisible future windfalls were like imaginary numbers. That post was going to be slightly humorous, too; but it didn't work out. Subtle humor is not always appropriate and also can be difficult to implement.

I'm glad you aren't suffering monetarily. Things can be a lot worse when you have to worry about income. In addition to depression you can feel shame on top of the depression, anxiety about debts etc. Other things that make depression worse are loneliness, anger, drug problems or being a social outcast. Its very easy for life to totally suck.

That is interesting that you said that you have experienced something like depression for long periods of time, not from chemical imbalances but just from situations. I think I was cured of my chemical imbalance many years ago by homeopathic medicine, so I am quite sure what is going on with me right now is because I have had a lot of situations that are beyond my control and it is overwhelming. I do not have low energy, physical or mental, but I do have a lack of interest in things most people are interested in doing, so I sometimes equate that with depression, but is it? I do not think it is but rather I just lack interest in the material world.

The problem is I have three houses and tenants in two so I have a lot of responsibilities that involve the material world. So I am kind of in a situation and I cannot just snap my fingers and get out of it. One of my tenants is very stable but behind on rent but I am not worried because he is very honest. About a year ago he was over 10,000 behind on rent and he paid almost all of that, so a month or two behind is not worrisome. But the other tenant has threatened me with a letter from an attorney and I have no idea where that will lead. He has lied and tried to manipulate me so much that I never know what he is going to do next. It is tough being afraid of people you cannot just walk away from. On top of that stress we have 10 Persian cats and there is always something to worry about with one or more being ill. However, I love them, so it is not like the houses.

Even though I am not very happy with my lifestyle right now I just have to keep reminding myself that I am healthy, I have a good job with a great boss and coworkers, I have a nice husband a religion I have complete faith in, and I have financial security. My problems mostly revolve around the houses and the tenants. I could easily afford to retire but I cannot make any big decisions like that. I thought my last of the three mortgages was paid off this fall but now I am not sure and I am afraid to find out, since my possible impending retirement was contingent upon that.

It is just too many things coming at me all at one time. That is one reason why I hibernate on my three days off. It is one way to reduce stress. Thank God I have this forum and some others for contact with the outside world and to discuss things that are important to me, but that can be stress too, since I get a lot of posts and I feel compelled to answer them. Today was an unusually slow day. Normally I do not respond to posts on threads I am not already involved in but I am usually glad I did because I like making connections with people.

Whereas I am absolutely certain my religion is the Truth from God, I am not always that sure about God. I wonder why God allows so much suffering in the world, not only my own. It just does not seem to make that much logical sense and although I know the reason according to my religion I still cannot see God as All-Loving. This presents a bit of a problem because it cuts me off from God most of the time. I certainly understand how some atheists feel about God, maybe why most of my friends are atheists. I sometimes even wish God did not exist. I do not worry that God knows that because if God is a Loving God he has to understand why I feel this way and forgive me and I cannot hurt God since God does not need me or my love.

Spiderman · Nov 18, 2018

Trailblazer said:
That is interesting that you said that you have experienced something like depression for long periods of time, not from chemical imbalances but just from situations. I think I was cured of my chemical imbalance many years ago by homeopathic medicine, so I am quite sure what is going on with me right now is because I have had a lot of situations that are beyond my control and it is overwhelming. I do not have low energy, physical or mental, but I do have a lack of interest in things most people are interested in doing, so I sometimes equate that with depression, but is it? I do not think it is but rather I just lack interest in the material world.

The problem is I have three houses and tenants in two so I have a lot of responsibilities that involve the material world. So I am kind of in a situation and I cannot just snap my fingers and get out of it. One of my tenants is very stable but behind on rent but I am not worried because he is very honest. About a year ago he was over 10,000 behind on rent and he paid almost all of that, so a month or two behind is not worrisome. But the other tenant has threatened me with a letter from an attorney and I have no idea where that will lead. He has lied and tried to manipulate me so much that I never know what he is going to do next. It is tough being afraid of people you cannot just walk away from. On top of that stress we have 10 Persian cats and there is always something to worry about with one or more being ill. However, I love them, so it is not like the houses.

Even though I am not very happy with my lifestyle right now I just have to keep reminding myself that I am healthy, I have a good job with a great boss and coworkers, I have a nice husband a religion I have complete faith in, and I have financial security. My problems mostly revolve around the houses and the tenants. I could easily afford to retire but I cannot make any big decisions like that. I thought my last of the three mortgages was paid off this fall but now I am not sure and I am afraid to find out, since my possible impending retirement was contingent upon that.

It is just too many things coming at me all at one time. That is one reason why I hibernate on my three days off. It is one way to reduce stress. Thank God I have this forum and some others for contact with the outside world and to discuss things that are important to me, but that can be stress too, since I get a lot of posts and I feel compelled to answer them. Today was an unusually slow day. Normally I do not respond to posts on threads I am not already involved in but I am usually glad I did because I like making connections with people.

Whereas I am absolutely certain my religion is the Truth from God, I am not always that sure about God. I wonder why God allows so much suffering in the world, not only my own. It just does not seem to make that much logical sense and although I know the reason according to my religion I still cannot see God as All-Loving. This presents a bit of a problem because it cuts me off from God most of the time. I certainly understand how some atheists feel about God, maybe why most of my friends are atheists. I sometimes even wish God did not exist. I do not worry that God knows that because if God is a Loving God he has to understand why I feel this way and forgive me and I cannot hurt God since God does not need me or my love.

Great post. You are a superhero compared to me lol

Brickjectivity · Nov 18, 2018

Trailblazer said:
That is interesting that you said that you have experienced something like depression for long periods of time, not from chemical imbalances but just from situations....

Actually since its from chronic idiocy I have still not quite gotten over it. It's not a joke. Lacking common sense is a gusher of ill fortune and wisdom mixed.

Trailblazer said:
I do not think it is but rather I just lack interest in the material world.

I have become increasingly interested in the material world.

Trailblazer · Nov 18, 2018

PopeADope said:
Great post. You are a superhero compared to me lol

Thanks, I guess all my writing is not for naught.

I do not feel like much of a hero right now.

I just deal with what I have to deal with as it comes along. What else can I do? Everyone says, sell the rental houses and get out from under the stress, but I am not one to run away from difficult situations. Rather, I face them head on.

I know you have had a difficult life and you still keep trucking along so you are a hero in my book.

Trailblazer · Nov 18, 2018

Brickjectivity said:
Actually since its from chronic idiocy I have still not quite gotten over it. It's not a joke. Lacking common sense is a gusher of ill fortune and wisdom mixed.

No, it is never a joke when someone is depressed, for whatever reason, but blaming oneself is one thing that causes the depression. I feel like I lacked common sense when I rented to this last tenant and now I am paying the price. I should have known better, given what has happened to me in the past.

He played me but he has not won yet.

Anger is better than depression as long as it is managed appropriately. I am really angry at the tenants who vacated before he moved in owing me 6,700 in back rent but they are not going to get way with that. I will go to court if they continue to ignore me. I will not allow people to take advantage of me like that, it is unjust. I should feel guilty for going after money they owe me? I should feel sorry for them like I did when they did not have the money for the rent? That is what they are hoping for, but not this time.

Brickjectivity said:
I have become increasingly interested in the material world.

I have become increasingly interested in the spiritual world and the afterlife.

Unlucky people

Spiderman

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Nakosis

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IsaiahX

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