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Muslim for the Beginning?

Thief

Rogue Theologian
someone commented a belief that Muslim faith goes all the way back to Adam of Genesis

can anyone offer support for that idea?

I don't see how
Genesis is credited to Moses
how he knew of Adam must be credited to God Himself

so.....Moses was Jewish?
and Genesis is wrought by such belief

I thought Islam was credited to Muhammad (thousands of years later)
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
someone commented a belief that Muslim faith goes all the way back to Adam of Genesis

can anyone offer support for that idea?

I don't see how
Genesis is credited to Moses
how he knew of Adam must be credited to God Himself

so.....Moses was Jewish?
and Genesis is wrought by such belief

I thought Islam was credited to Muhammad (thousands of years later)

The word Islam means submission to God, it isn't a name of a person or a place.
people created many religions with many names during the past times.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Square peg in round hold.

The Jehovah's Witnesses do the same thing using the identical sort of reasoning.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Moses was Jewish?
Moses was a Hebrew to the Egyptians, and then a Israelite as a Tribe...

Judah didn't come along until the divided kingdom 500 years later.
can anyone offer support for that idea?
A Muslim means 'one who submits to the peaceful will of God'.

Thus the Quran states that Adam, Abraham, etc were Muslims as they submitted to the will of God...

Islam therefore does not mean to follow the Quran or a religious tradition, it means to accept the One God Most High (El Elyon - Al-Ala) as the Source of Reality (Oneness).

3:65-67 O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason? Here you are - those who have argued about that of which you have [some] knowledge, but why do you argue about that of which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows, while you know not. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
yeah well......I'm not buying it

the label ....Muslim .....
might well mean submissive to God

but that doesn't describe Moses
or Jesus

and I don't think it describes Muhammad

and that label was not pronounced until long after Moses
 

DustyFeet

पैर है| outlaw kosher care-bear | Tribe of Dan
so.....Moses was Jewish?

i think after sinai, moses was officially/legally jewish

so Eve was not really submissive....
and Adam much the same

it's unsettling to me, but i do think it's clear, adam was instructed to "reigned over" eve. however, i believe the Torah limited husband "reigning over" wife to adam and eve.

Judah didn't come along until the divided kingdom 500 years later.

it's a pleasure to meet you, wizanda. :)

i think you are referring to the source of the english word "jewish". i think the very root of the jewsh people are the 70 souls who went to egypt. but the nation was not established till sinai. using this def. adam and eve technically were not jewish.

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comments, questions, criticism are all welcome :)
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
adam and eve technically were not jewish.
Judah is one tribe out of Israel, out of the whole world, which came from Adam and Eve originally...

They can not fit into being Jewish or even spoke Hebrew, they do not have a religious label; even if the later religious labels might claim it.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

DustyFeet

पैर है| outlaw kosher care-bear | Tribe of Dan
Judah is one tribe out of Israel, out of the whole world, which came from Adam and Eve originally...

They can not fit into being Jewish or even spoke Hebrew, they do not have a religious label; even if the later religious labels might claim it.

In my opinion. :innocent:

a very excellent point for fundamentalists of all types. adam and eve's relationship is not a model of jewish marriage
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
They can not fit into being Jewish or even spoke Hebrew, they do not have a religious label; even if the later religious labels might claim it.
so...applying a label.....long after the event would be inappropriate

so again....ALL ....labels go back as far as the first use

no wait.....Jesus did not call Himself a Christian
and the religion that claims Him as Prophet....
is mistaken about the label they carry

likewise any call of any label

hmmmmm
 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
I'm going to say....apply the label to yourself

do not apply your label to your Inspiration
 

Sakeenah

Well-Known Member
someone commented a belief that Muslim faith goes all the way back to Adam of Genesis

can anyone offer support for that idea?

I don't see how
Genesis is credited to Moses
how he knew of Adam must be credited to God Himself

so.....Moses was Jewish?
and Genesis is wrought by such belief

I thought Islam was credited to Muhammad (thousands of years later)


We believe that Islam is the culmination of the universal message of God taught by all of His prophets. As Muslims we believe that a prophet was chosen(by God) for every nation at some point, inviting them to worship God alone ,and delivering guidance on how to live peacefully with others. Some of the prophets of God are Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad, peace be upon them all. The prophets all conveyed the same message which is worshiping one God, along with specific societal laws for each nation.

All the prophets and messengers from the beginning of time submitted to the will of God by worshipping Him alone, and this is why we say all prophets and messengers are Muslims, because they have submitted.

We don't believe that the message of the other messengers like Moses and Jesus( peace be upon them) contradicts the message of prophet Muhammad(pbuh) or that he came with something new just a couple of thousand years ago. We actually believe that Islam completes the long chain of guidance from God to humanity.

I hope this explains it : )
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
this very interesting, can you expand on it?
we associate ourselves to others.....by labels
Jews
Christians
Muslims


I have no religion
I have no label other than rogue theologian
I'm kinda out a limb.....on my own

and throughout my life I notice details of scripture that almost everyone else fails to see

so....here I am

and for this thread.....someone spoke the word muslim ......as if it covers everyone that would follow God

I have to say.....it does not
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
to further this thread....I post again as I have done so before


we stand from the dust......
heaven will come to see what this life has wrought

the question will be.....What do you believe?
and if you answer with the name of a Prophet.....

They shall take you to Him

I go on in this manner.....

the angels will drop me at His feet.....He will then ask of Them....
WHAT is this !!!!!

They will excuse themselves.....he used your Name as if it belonged to him
We thought he was one of yours....
and I will have my day of reckoning with my Lord
 
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