Is Muhammad true or false Prophet?

ecco said:

Would you care to show the "misrepresentation and coverage of the truth"?

Please note, just because something disagrees with your views does not make it "misrepresentation and coverage of the truth". I read the article and could find no flaws in their arguments. I am neither a Christian nor a Muslim, therefore, in something like this, I am an unbiased observer.

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I respect different views
But I say truth and evidence that this is true and this is a mistake
I have viewed my article from my experience of reading in Quran
As an independent jury I have no interest in lying

this is what in Quran to warn Christian from the trinity
GOD want them stop trininty, not Jesus GOSPEL real message (prophecy of muhamed)

GOD said that gospil was modified to fit the idea of the Trinity

2:120. The Jews and the Christians will not approve of you, unless you follow their creed. Say, “God’s guidance is the guidance.” Should you follow their desires, after the knowledge that has come to you, you will have in God neither guardian nor helper.

God recommended that we not follow the previous predestination for the occurrence of betrayals and modification, including the Trinity
God therefore warned them


GOOD LUCK
GOD bless you
4:171. O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion, and do not say about God except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is the Messenger of God, and His Word that He conveyed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and do not say, “Three.” Refrain—it is better for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him—that He should have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and the earth, and God is a sufficient Protector.

4:172. The Messiah (Jesus, the son of Mary,) does not disdain to be a servant of God, nor do the favored angels. Whoever disdains His worship, and is too arrogant—He will round them up to Himself altogether.

5:17. They disbelieve those who say, “God is the Christ, the son of Mary.” Say, “Who can prevent God, if He willed, from annihilating the Christ son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?” To God belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and what is between them. He creates whatever He wills, and God has power over everything.

5:72. They disbelieve those who say, “God is the Messiah the son of Mary.” But the Messiah himself said, “O Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates others with God, God has forbidden him Paradise, and his dwelling is the Fire. The wrongdoers have no saviors.”

73. They disbelieve those who say, “God is the third of three.” But there is no deity except the One God. If they do not refrain from what they say, a painful torment will befall those among them who disbelieve.

74. Will they not repent to God and ask His forgiveness? God is Forgiving and Merciful.

75. The Messiah son of Mary was only a messenger, before whom other Messengers had passed away, and his mother was a woman of truth. They both used to eat food. Note how We make clear the revelations to them; then note how deluded they are.

9:30. The Jews said, “Ezra is the son of God,” and the Christians said, “The Messiah is the son of God.” These are their statements, out of their mouths. They emulate the statements of those who blasphemed before. May God assail them! How deceived they are!

31. They have taken their rabbis and their priests as lords instead of God, as well as the Messiah son of Mary. Although they were commanded to worship none but The One God. There is no god except He. Glory be to Him; High above what they associate with Him.

I'm not here to cause pain to others

9-10ths_Penguin said:

So the "they" that this passage refers to are false prophets?

Acts 14:3
So they remained for a long time, speaking boldly for the Lord, who bore witness to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.

(BTW: the "they" in that passage was Paul and Barnabas)

And the apostles were false prophets as well?

Acts 2:43
Now many signs and wonders were regularly done among the people by the hands of the apostles. And they were all together in Solomon's Portico.


And Jesus?

Mark 16:20
And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by accompanying signs.

And God?

Hebrews 2:4
While God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

Just curious: have you actually read the Bible?

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Your taking two complete different Bible Verses and trying to put into one.

Matthew 24:24 and Acts 2:43, are speaking about two completely different things.
And meaning two completely different things.

You need to find out what the subject is about, before you processed.

The subject in Matthew 24:24 is about
False Christ's and false Prophets)

So you can not Acts 2:43 and Matthew 24:24, to mean the same thing, when both subjects are about two different things.

Faithofchristian said:

Your taking two complete different Bible Verses and trying to put into one.

Matthew 24:24 and Acts 2:43, are speaking about two completely different things.
And meaning two completely different things.

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They're all talking about signs and wonders. The Greek words are the same in the original text, right?

Faithofchristian said:

When Jesus used ( signs and Wonders) pointing to ( false Christ's and false Prophets) .That Truth stands as is.

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So you say. One can point, lo here and lo there.
How does so pointing make something an immutable
truth?

IF "Jesus" endorsed the "Noah's Ark" story, then,
that is a strike-out for "Truth".

Now, personally, I'd not be too sure if he did, or
did not. Nobody wrote down anything he said
until decades later, so t he likelihood that it all
remained "perfect" is very small.

Even if it had been perfect to start with.

9-10ths_Penguin said:

They're all talking about signs and wonders. The Greek words are the same in the original text, right?

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But they are the same subject, both subjects are about two different things and meaning.

Faithofchristian said:

But they are the same subject, both subjects are about two different things and meaning.

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I have no idea what you're trying to say here: are you trying to say that they're the same or that they're different?

Audie said:

So you say. One can point, lo here and lo there.
How does so pointing make something an immutable
truth?

IF "Jesus" endorsed the "Noah's Ark" story, then,
that is a strike-out for "Truth".

Now, personally, I'd not be too sure if he did, or
did not. Nobody wrote down anything he said
until decades later, so t he likelihood that it all
remained "perfect" is very small.

Even if it had been perfect to start with.

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Jesus did endorse the flood of Noah's. By saying in Matthew 24:37-39---"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be"

9-10ths_Penguin said:

I have no idea what you're trying to say here: are you trying to say that they're the same or that they're different?

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They are two different subjects, not to be taken the same.

You do know what a subject an Article is

Matthew 24:24 is about one subject and Acts 2:43 is about a totally different subject.
You need to separate one subject and article from another.

If you have one subject and article talking about one thing and you have another subject and article talking about another thing.
They are not talking about the same thing.

But two totally different subjects and Articles, talking about two different things.

I do not want to participate too much so as not to cause discomfort
But I want to clarify the issue of his mission

There are Christians who rejected the idea of the Trinity
Nontrinitarianism - Wikipedia


This is logical and proportionate to the orientation of Jewish and Muslim faith

Such as the primitive faith of the former righteous like Abraham
I hold the faith of Abraham, he is our spiritual father

With all my wishes for health and success

Faithofchristian said:

Jesus did endorse the flood of Noah's. By saying in Matthew 24:37-39---"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be"

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So it is said; but, I have deep doubts as to whether
it is possible for anyone to have accurately recorded
what he actually said.

But, lets say he did endorse the noahs ark story as
literal truth.

That makes "Jesus" an ordinary man, as ignorant
as anyone else of his day.

To anyone but a Christian, that was obvious without
such a demonstration.


So, anyway, I can see why you feel you have to
believe the flood story, and, you have to keep
believing it no matter what, because if not,
your entire structure of reality and all meabningi
in life collapses..is it not so?

Faithofchristian said:

They are two different subjects, not to be taken the same.

You do know what a subject an Article is

Matthew 24:24 is about one subject and Acts 2:43 is about a totally different subject.
You need to separate one subject and article from another.

If you have one subject and article talking about one thing and you have another subject and article talking about another thing.
They are not talking about the same thing.

But two totally different subjects and Articles, talking about two different things.

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uh,,, that needs some translating

shmogie said:

He is who he claimed to be, his god is not who he claimed he was. The voices he heard, were those of the great deceiver, and he was totally deceived, and became a great deceiver himself.

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Da Debil made me do it.

j1i said:

I respect different views
But I say truth and evidence that this is true and this is a mistake
I have viewed my article from my experience of reading in Quran
As an independent jury I have no interest in lying

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Hmm. You are a Muslim apologist. You say you are an independent jury with no interest in lying.

Do you understand that since you are a Muslim Apologist you cannot truthfully state that you are an independent jury.


Also, much of what follows, is quotes from the Koran. Do you think anyone would read them?

The only thing that posting a link to a video "proves" is that you know how to post a link to a video. Do you understand the meaning of the word "prove".

Audie said:

So you say. One can point, lo here and lo there.
How does so pointing make something an immutable truth?
IF "Jesus" endorsed the "Noah's Ark" story, then, that is a strike-out for "Truth".
Now, personally, I'd not be too sure if he did, or did not. Nobody wrote down anything he said until decades later, so the likelihood that it all remained "perfect" is very small.
Even if it had been perfect to start with.

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I might be somewhat inclined to believe any of Jesus' quotes when someone can explain how the entire 2000+ words of the Sermon on the Mount were accurately recorded and transcribed.

Faithofchristian said:

Jesus did endorse the flood of Noah's. By saying in Matthew 24:37-39---"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be"

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Who or what is "the Son of man"?

ecco said:

I might be somewhat inclined to believe any of Jesus' quotes when someone can explain how the entire 2000+ words of the Sermon on the Mount were accurately recorded and transcribed.

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I have heard many "explanations".

One is that in the day, people did not read and write
so much, or watch TV, but they were great at memorizing.

Then, there were notes taken, and then later referred
to for writing out the whole thing.

AND. god magiced it, kept the authors from making
mistakes.

I feel that we'd have a whole new justice system if
ad hoc explanations were admissible.

j1i said:

I do not want to participate too much so as not to cause discomfort

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Nothing you can say will cause any discomfort.

j1i said:

But I want to clarify the issue of his mission

There are Christians who rejected the idea of the Trinity
Nontrinitarianism - Wikipedia

This is logical and proportionate to the orientation of Jewish and Muslim faith

Such as the primitive faith of the former righteous like Abraham
I hold the faith of Abraham, he is our spiritual father

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All you have done is clarify your personal opinions.

j1i said:

With all my wishes for health and success

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And with all my wishes for rationality to prevail.

Audie said:

uh,,, that needs some translating

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There's no translation about it, not when you two completely different subject being talk about.
Thats like trying to compare apples and oranges, it doesn't work.

As in Matthew 24:24, Jesus speaking about false Christ's and false Prophets.

Then in Acts 2:43, we find signs and Wonders done by the disciples.

Two completely different subjects talk about.
The one in Matthew signs and Wonders, is about false Christ's and false Prophets.

The one in Acts signs and Wonders are done by the disciples.

The signs and Wonders the false Christ's and false Prophets come doing is to deceive people.

The signs and Wonders the disciples did, is to save people, for eternal life. Salvation.

So two completely different Subjects.

Faithofchristian said:

There's no translation about it, not when you two completely different subject being talk about.
Thats like trying to compare apples and oranges, it doesn't work.

As in Matthew 24:24, Jesus speaking about false Christ's and false Prophets.

Then in Acts 2:43, we find signs and Wonders done by the disciples.

Two completely different subjects talk about.
The one in Matthew signs and Wonders, is about false Christ's and false Prophets.

The one in Acts signs and Wonders are done by the disciples.

The signs and Wonders the false Christ's and false Prophets come doing is to deceive people.

The signs and Wonders the disciples did, is to save people, for eternal life. Salvation.

So two completely different Subjects.

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Ok, thanks for trying to translate.

What it comes down to is that you think
there really is a "Satan", that the "signs"
and "wonders" are real, but that "God" does
the real real wonders, that you can trust.

To me, it is not exactly apples and oranges
so much as comparing one made up story
with another.

IF your "Jesus" had been the real stuff, he'd
not have said that a made-up story about
an "ark" was about real events.

Faithofchristian said:

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