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Is Muhammad true or false Prophet?

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
There are stretches and there are stretches. The following completely shows how nonsensical your beliefs are:

Answering Muslims: Muhammad in Song of Solomon 5:16?
This is what happens when Muslim apologists try to force Muhammad into the Bible. They go to a passage in which Solomon's bride is praising her husband's body, and they expect us to believe that she's actually having adulterous thoughts about a future prophet. Shabir Ally and Zakir Naik take a perfectly normal Hebrew word and try to transform it into a prophecy of Muhammad, but in doing so they end up claiming that Muhammad was Ezekiel's wife and that God promises to desecrate him!

Read the entire article for some more laughs.


With everything that you given, only proves the more. Only Muhammad say.
But yet Muhammad not do as he say. But want others to do, but Muhammad not do as he say.

I don't understand there are disbelievers when they see the truth they still not believe it why

 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
النبي
arabi word call
nabi = prophet

رسول الله
رسول
rasol = messenger
and messenger of god
Thank you...but you cannot translate nabi with prophet since the root of nabi means "call" and not "predict"
 
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j1i

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QuestioningMind

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The question is, People will have to judge for themselves, is Muhammad a true or false Prophet.

Muhammad say in Qu'ran 5:47--"So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what Allah revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what Allah revealed are the sinners.

The Gospels that Muhammad, being in reference to is, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John these being the 4 Gospels of the New Testament, Bible.

It seems Muhammad, He, himself, don't even follow his own word, Muhammad tells others to follow what Allah ( God) revealed in the Gospels, But yet Muhammad, He, himself don't even follow what Allah ( God) has revealed in the Gospel's. So how is this to work.

Seeing Muhammad is the prophet of Islam and seeing that Islam don't even follow what is revealed in the Gospels, wouldn't that make all Islam sinners ?

It seems Muhammad is always found in putting words in the mouth of Allah ( God) That Allah
( God) never spoken.

There's nothing wrong with Allah ( God) it's the messenger ( Muhammad) that's wrong, giving the wrong message.

Seeing Muhammad takes Deuteronomy 18:18--
--"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him"

To be in reference to himself, maybe Muhammad should read the rest of the
verses 19-22.
If a person reads Verses 19-22, they will find, if that prophet, that's spoken about in
Verse 18, speaks a word that Allah ( God) did not speak. That Prophet is only presuming to speak a word for (God) Allah.

Verse 19--"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him"

Seeing Muhammad, he, himself, speaks in the name of Allah ( God) but Muhammad himself do not follow the words of Allah ( God) himself.

Verse 20--"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die"

If a person had notice that the whole
chapter 18 of Deuteronomy, it is God that's doing all the talking.
Where as in the Quran, it's Muhammad that does all the talking, saying, Allah say this or Allah say that, but nothing that Allah actually will say himself.

Notice, God saying ( But the prophet, which shall (presume) to speak a word in my name.

So seeing Muhammad claims himself to be that prophet and God saying that prophet presums to speak in his name.
Meaning, That whatever that prophet will say in the name of God ( Allah) that prophet is only presuming God ( Allah) is saying that, without Allah ( God) actually saying anything to verify what Muhammad is saying.

So what it comes down to, is that Muhammad is only presuming Allah ( God) saying this or that. Without any verification that Allah ( God) did say this or that.

So what this means is, Allah ( God) never commanded Muhammad to speak in his name. It's only Muhammad presuming that Allah (God)
Said this or that, without Allah ( God) actually saying anything.

Where as if a person reads the bible,they will find God doing the talking, But where as in
Qu'ran Muhammad is doing all the talking.

Is there any wonder as to why Christ Jesus said what he said in the book of
Matthew 24:24-26---"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not"

If a person notice in verse 24, that there shall come false Christ's and false prophets, showing great signs and wonders, This meaning these false Christ's and false prophets presuming to do these things in( God's) Allah's name,

Notice in Verse 26, Seeing that Jesus is giving where these false Christ's and false prophets can be located at, In the desert, and Muhammad is such a false prophet that's located in the desert.

Muhammad say he is messenger in Quran but no where does Allah ( God) say this. To verify what Muhammad will say in the Quran.

Notice everything Is Muhammad saying, But nothing Allah ( God) saying, only Muhammad say this or that in the Quran

3:144]
Muhammad is no more than messenger. Messengers have passed on before him. If he dies or gets killed, will you turn on your heels? He who turns on his heels will not harm Allah in any way. And Allah will reward the appreciative.
[33:40]

Muhammad is not the father of any of your men; but he is the Messengerof Allah, and the seal of the prophets. Allah is Cognizant of everything.
[48:29]

Muhammad is the Messenger ofAllah. Those with him are stern against the disbelievers, yet compassionate amongst themselves. You see them kneeling, prostrating, seeking blessings from Allah and approval. Their marks are on their faces from the effects of prostration. Such is their description in the Torah, and their description in the Gospel: like a plant that sprouts, becomes strong, grows thick, and rests on its stem, impressing the farmers. Through them He enrages the disbelievers. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good deeds forgiveness and a great reward.

So the question is, With all of this, the question to be answered is,
Is Muhammad really who he claims to be?

Without any verification from
Allah ( God) in all the Quran, that Muhammad is who he claims to be?

A false prophet, since I have no reason to believe that there are any true prophets. I've yet to hear a prophecy that wasn't either so vague it could mean virtually anything or no different from an accurate prediction.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I read it but there is misrepresentation and coverage of the truth
Would you care to show the "misrepresentation and coverage of the truth"?

Please note, just because something disagrees with your views does not make it "misrepresentation and coverage of the truth". I read the article and could find no flaws in their arguments. I am neither a Christian nor a Muslim, therefore, in something like this, I am an unbiased observer.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
The question is, People will have to judge for themselves, is Muhammad a true or false Prophet.

Muhammad say in Qu'ran 5:47--"So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what Allah revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what Allah revealed are the sinners.

The Gospels that Muhammad, being in reference to is, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John these being the 4 Gospels of the New Testament, Bible.

It seems Muhammad, He, himself, don't even follow his own word, Muhammad tells others to follow what Allah ( God) revealed in the Gospels, But yet Muhammad, He, himself don't even follow what Allah ( God) has revealed in the Gospel's. So how is this to work.

Seeing Muhammad is the prophet of Islam and seeing that Islam don't even follow what is revealed in the Gospels, wouldn't that make all Islam sinners ?

It seems Muhammad is always found in putting words in the mouth of Allah ( God) That Allah
( God) never spoken.

There's nothing wrong with Allah ( God) it's the messenger ( Muhammad) that's wrong, giving the wrong message.

Seeing Muhammad takes Deuteronomy 18:18--
--"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him"

To be in reference to himself, maybe Muhammad should read the rest of the
verses 19-22.
If a person reads Verses 19-22, they will find, if that prophet, that's spoken about in
Verse 18, speaks a word that Allah ( God) did not speak. That Prophet is only presuming to speak a word for (God) Allah.

Verse 19--"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him"

Seeing Muhammad, he, himself, speaks in the name of Allah ( God) but Muhammad himself do not follow the words of Allah ( God) himself.

Verse 20--"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die"

If a person had notice that the whole
chapter 18 of Deuteronomy, it is God that's doing all the talking.
Where as in the Quran, it's Muhammad that does all the talking, saying, Allah say this or Allah say that, but nothing that Allah actually will say himself.

Notice, God saying ( But the prophet, which shall (presume) to speak a word in my name.

So seeing Muhammad claims himself to be that prophet and God saying that prophet presums to speak in his name.
Meaning, That whatever that prophet will say in the name of God ( Allah) that prophet is only presuming God ( Allah) is saying that, without Allah ( God) actually saying anything to verify what Muhammad is saying.

So what it comes down to, is that Muhammad is only presuming Allah ( God) saying this or that. Without any verification that Allah ( God) did say this or that.

So what this means is, Allah ( God) never commanded Muhammad to speak in his name. It's only Muhammad presuming that Allah (God)
Said this or that, without Allah ( God) actually saying anything.

Where as if a person reads the bible,they will find God doing the talking, But where as in
Qu'ran Muhammad is doing all the talking.

Is there any wonder as to why Christ Jesus said what he said in the book of
Matthew 24:24-26---"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not"

If a person notice in verse 24, that there shall come false Christ's and false prophets, showing great signs and wonders, This meaning these false Christ's and false prophets presuming to do these things in( God's) Allah's name,

Notice in Verse 26, Seeing that Jesus is giving where these false Christ's and false prophets can be located at, In the desert, and Muhammad is such a false prophet that's located in the desert.

Muhammad say he is messenger in Quran but no where does Allah ( God) say this. To verify what Muhammad will say in the Quran.

Notice everything Is Muhammad saying, But nothing Allah ( God) saying, only Muhammad say this or that in the Quran

3:144]
Muhammad is no more than messenger. Messengers have passed on before him. If he dies or gets killed, will you turn on your heels? He who turns on his heels will not harm Allah in any way. And Allah will reward the appreciative.
[33:40]

Muhammad is not the father of any of your men; but he is the Messengerof Allah, and the seal of the prophets. Allah is Cognizant of everything.
[48:29]

Muhammad is the Messenger ofAllah. Those with him are stern against the disbelievers, yet compassionate amongst themselves. You see them kneeling, prostrating, seeking blessings from Allah and approval. Their marks are on their faces from the effects of prostration. Such is their description in the Torah, and their description in the Gospel: like a plant that sprouts, becomes strong, grows thick, and rests on its stem, impressing the farmers. Through them He enrages the disbelievers. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good deeds forgiveness and a great reward.

So the question is, With all of this, the question to be answered is,
Is Muhammad really who he claims to be?

Without any verification from
Allah ( God) in all the Quran, that Muhammad is who he claims to be?
He is who he claimed to be, his god is not who he claimed he was. The voices he heard, were those of the great deceiver, and he was totally deceived, and became a great deceiver himself.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
A false prophet, since I have no reason to believe that there are any true prophets. I've yet to hear a prophecy that wasn't either so vague it could mean virtually anything or no different from an accurate prediction.
Obviously, you haven´t studied prophecy
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
If a person notice in verse 24, that there shall come false Christ's and false prophets, showing great signs and wonders, This meaning these false Christ's and false prophets presuming to do these things in( God's) Allah's name,
So you think Muhammad "showed great signs and wonders?" Interesting.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Thank you...but you cannot translate nabi with prophet since the root of nabi means "call" and not "predict"
The Wiki article on "prophet" makes no reference to prediction and contains this interesting line: " In Hebrew, the word נָבִיא (nāvî), "spokesperson", traditionally translates as "prophet".[3]"

It is the clear that the Arabic and Hebrew words are closely related in both sound and meaning.

The modern usage of prophet to mean foreteller of the future seems to be one of several modern meanings of the word - and not part of its original sense at all.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
So you think Muhammad "showed great signs and wonders?" Interesting.

Well if a person looks at the whole picture of Muhammad, As to how many people over 1,400 years, have been convince by Muhammad as being a prophet, I would say Muhammad did great signs and wonders to deceive as many people as Muhammad did, to get as many people that he did into believing he's a great prophet.
 
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Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
So, howsabout Joseph Smith?

Similarly, an awful lot of words for someone who
cant tell if he is making it up or not.

Maybe the dichotomy is between the cynical
fakes, and those with severe mental illness.
I don't know enough about Joseph Smith to say how sincere he was. He certainly acted in many ways that rather scream "fake avoiding exposure" but the brain does weird stuff. It's possible he genuinely believed his nonsense, and all the subterfuge and evasion was sub conscious.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Well if a person looks at the whole picture of Muhammad, As to how many people over 1,400 years, have been convince by Muhammad as being a prophet, I would say Muhammad did great signs and wonders to deceive as many people as Muhammad did, to get as many people that he did into believing he's a great prophet.
Is that what you think the Bible passage meant? That "signs and wonders" just meant lying impressively and not actual miracles or magic?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Is that what you think the Bible passage meant? That "signs and wonders" just meant lying impressively and not actual miracles or magic?

Signs and wonders can and does have many meaning.
Sign and wonders, as a person has the power by signs and wonders, to easily deceive people.

As the beast that comes up out of the earth in the book of Revelation, and does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven, to deceive them that dwells on earth. Revelation 13:13-14.

By what signs and wonders can a person use to deceive people by.

A sign can be a person who has the power to deceive others.
A wonder, can be it's a wonder how so many people can be so easily deceived.

You think, Signs and Wonders, means. Like something magically going to happen.

A Sign means, that by a person lying, is their sign to deceive people.
A Wonder, is that how so many people can be easily deceived.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Signs and wonders can and does have many meaning.
Sign and wonders, as a person has the power by signs and wonders, to easily deceive people.

As the beast that comes up out of the earth in the book of Revelation, and does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven, to deceive them that dwells on earth. Revelation 13:13-14.

By what signs and wonders can a person use to deceive people by.

A sign can be a person who has the power to deceive others.
A wonder, can be it's a wonder how so many people can be so easily deceived.

You think, Signs and Wonders, means. Like something magically going to happen.

A Sign means, that by a person lying, is their sign to deceive people.
A Wonder, is that how so many people can be easily deceived.
So you consider "signs and wonders" yo be generally unimpressive and not the sign of a true prophet, right?

There are many points in the New Testament that describe Jesus and the apostles using "signs and wonders" to convince people they were genuine. Are these "signs and wonders" unimpressive as well?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
So you consider "signs and wonders" yo be generally unimpressive and not the sign of a true prophet, right?

There are many points in the New Testament that describe Jesus and the apostles using "signs and wonders" to convince people they were genuine. Are these "signs and wonders" unimpressive as well?

Nope not in accordance to Jesus
( Signs and Wonders) pointing to
false Christ's and false Prophets)

In the book of Matthew 24:24, Jesus said, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect"

In the Greek Translation,
The word ( Wonders) means--> ( of uncert, a prodigy or omen--wonder.

Meaning of ( Omen) An event regarded as a portent of evil, Wonders.

Meaning of ( prodigy) A person, endowed with exceptional qualities or abilities.

Such as Muhammad had exceptional qualities and abilities to deceive many people.
Matthew 24:24, Jesus said, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect"
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I don't know enough about Joseph Smith to say how sincere he was. He certainly acted in many ways that rather scream "fake avoiding exposure" but the brain does weird stuff. It's possible he genuinely believed his nonsense, and all the subterfuge and evasion was sub conscious.

Yeah, who knows. Crazy or cynical or both.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Nope not in accordance to Jesus
( Signs and Wonders) pointing to
false Christ's and false Prophets)

In the book of Matthew 24:24, Jesus said, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect"

In the Greek Translation,
The word ( Wonders) means--> ( of uncert, a prodigy or omen--wonder.

Meaning of ( Omen) An event regarded as a portent of evil, Wonders.

Meaning of ( prodigy) A person, endowed with exceptional qualities or abilities.

Such as Muhammad had exceptional qualities and abilities to deceive many people.
Matthew 24:24, Jesus said, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect"

Once a person has seen that "according to Jesus"
is not the same as "perfect immutable Truth",
there is not much left of your argument.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Nope not in accordance to Jesus
( Signs and Wonders) pointing to
false Christ's and false Prophets)
So the "they" that this passage refers to are false prophets?

Acts 14:3
So they remained for a long time, speaking boldly for the Lord, who bore witness to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.


(BTW: the "they" in that passage was Paul and Barnabas)

And the apostles were false prophets as well?

Acts 2:43
Now many signs and wonders were regularly done among the people by the hands of the apostles. And they were all together in Solomon's Portico.



And Jesus?

Mark 16:20
And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by accompanying signs.


And God?

Hebrews 2:4
While God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.


Just curious: have you actually read the Bible?
 
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