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Mystery of the Kingdom of God

Windwalker

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Premium Member
Because God is not an object outside yourself you can measure and define. It is an internal, subjective realization about the nature of Reality itself. Hence, definitions will not work. The use of metaphors, parables, poetry, becomes descriptions of what it is "like". They are expressions of experience. To spell things out in black and white definitions is turning God into a cartoon character in make believe land, outside any reality. It makes mental ideas the measure of God, which is absurd.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
The same reason you're not always straightforward with your children. For this reason, Jesus did in fact speak in parables to his disciples, as well.

The subconscious prepares the way for the conscious mind.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Because God is not an object outside yourself you can measure and define. It is an internal, subjective realization about the nature of Reality itself. Hence, definitions will not work. The use of metaphors, parables, poetry, becomes descriptions of what it is "like". They are expressions of experience. To spell things out in black and white definitions is turning God into a cartoon character in make believe land, outside any reality. It makes mental ideas the measure of God, which is absurd.
Yes.

I would state it thus: some things are ineffable, beyond language. Some things can only be truly experienced and not put into cut-and-dry language.

Several years ago when the poetic muse had visited me, I wrote this:

How can my soaring heart
be contained in a net of words?

The breeze blows.
Strands of the net
rustle in the wind.

That rustling takes shape.
Words are born:
children of the wind.

Words breathing freely
recapitulate
the breath of heaven and earth.

Soaring words
connect me to heaven
and set fire to my heart.

Their mission complete,
words return to their
true home -
silence.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Because God is not an object outside yourself you can measure and define. It is an internal, subjective realization about the nature of Reality itself. Hence, definitions will not work. The use of metaphors, parables, poetry, becomes descriptions of what it is "like". They are expressions of experience. To spell things out in black and white definitions is turning God into a cartoon character in make believe land, outside any reality. It makes mental ideas the measure of God, which is absurd.
basically felt qualities? phenomenal experiences of subjectivity unlike objective experiences?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without(exoteric), all these things are done in parables:
what does that mean? why not just spell it out in black and white?

Since it is an inquiring mind that wants to know, then what is written is for searching hearts.- Acts 17:11.
I find a lot of people think of the kingdom of God as being Heaven, but we do Not pray for Heaven to come.
' Thy kingdom come ' is the kingdom of Daniel 2:44 with Jesus as being king (ruler) of God's kingdom government.
So, we are Not praying for Heaven to come to Earth, but God's kingdom government to be in the hands of Christ Jesus for a thousand years over Earth before Jesus hands back God's kingdom to his God - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The same reason you're not always straightforward with your children. For this reason, Jesus did in fact speak in parables to his disciples, as well.............

I find at Matthew 13:34-36 B and Mark 4:33-34 that unlike the people in general, afterwards Jesus did explain or expound his parable illustrations to his followers.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yes.

I would state it thus: some things are ineffable, beyond language. Some things can only be truly experienced and not put into cut-and-dry language.

Several years ago when the poetic muse had visited me, I wrote this:

How can my soaring heart
be contained in a net of words?

The breeze blows.
Strands of the net
rustle in the wind.

That rustling takes shape.
Words are born:
children of the wind.

Words breathing freely
recapitulate
the breath of heaven and earth.

Soaring words
connect me to heaven
and set fire to my heart.

Their mission complete,
words return to their
true home -
silence.
Wow. That was beautiful, and beautifully stating the reality of it. All language is metaphor, but when it becomes fused to reality, the metaphor dies and falls.
 

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without(exoteric), all these things are done in parables:


what does that mean? why not just spell it out in black and white?

Symbols and memetics are more potent and powerful than text. Do you want to read about how to fix your psychology and come to know God, or do you want to read an epic story about a group of birds on a quest to find the mythic simurgh and learn about those topics at the same time??
 

1213

Well-Known Member
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without(exoteric), all these things are done in parables:

what does that mean? why not just spell it out in black and white?

I think it is meant to be like secret code, because it protects it. If it would be plain, it would have been more easily destroyed. I think people who hate Jesus and God, would not use the better understanding for good.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
I find at Matthew 13:34-36 B and Mark 4:33-34 that unlike the people in general, afterwards Jesus did explain or expound his parable illustrations to his followers.

Yes.

1) When they were present, and
2) When they asked.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Symbols and memetics are more potent and powerful than text. Do you want to read about how to fix your psychology and come to know God, or do you want to read an epic story about a group of birds on a quest to find the mythic simurgh and learn about those topics at the same time??
different people become entranced with different things.
 

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
different people become entranced with different things.

Indeed, but the importance of symbols and memes is a cross-cultural phenomenon common in all humans. Even writing is nothing more than applied symbolism. The importance of symbolism on human psyche and human understanding is fairly evident.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
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