Remember the Law of the Land was to keep away from the forbidden tree.
They were informed in advance that to partake of that tree would mean the death penalty.
To me it would be harsh if that Law of the Land was hidden from them.
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Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood
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They were informed in advance that to partake of that tree would mean the death penalty.
To me it would be harsh if that Law of the Land was hidden from them.
Can't demonstrate the past, but can show the future ahead of us as found at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
When the ' powers that be ' will be saying, "Peace and Security..." that is the signal for the start of the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
Subduction Zone
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What makes you think that the past cannot be demonstrated? You do realize that most criminals are prosecuted by "demonstrating the past" don't you?
SkepticThinker
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You are claiming to know something(s). Please demonstrate that your claims are accurate. Like with evidence. Quoting the Bible isn't going to do that for you.
Audie
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It says "Egypt". And sure enough, you can go
check, and there is Egypt. Caesar; he was
real enough.
We do see often stated that archaeology etc are more
and more proving the bible to be accurate.
So great, some of our Christians agree that there is
merit in cross checking a single source, to see if
it can be confirmed.
The process seems to break down when the
cross check does not confirm the bible-belief.
Perhaps one of our Christians would like to
explain why that is.
SkepticThinker
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Oh, great so Spider-Man actually exists then since New York City exists.
Audie
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Oh, great so Spider-Man actually exists then since New York City exists.
Ha. I saw him the other day. Even did a fist-bump.
I would say a kind of process of elimination. Referring to Scripture is Not exactly quoting but explaining.
What Jesus said at Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8 has come to pass on an international scale.
Even modern technology has made rapid Bible translation possible so people even in remote areas of Earth can have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages. Bible translation is in more languages than any other.
To me, this means we are at the ' final phase ' of that global proclaiming about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
What is left at this final phase point is the announcing by the 'powers that be' saying, "Peace and Security..."
I suppose one could say I am Not claiming to know something that another can't, but expressing what we can learn from the Bible. It is more like the person who wrote 1st Thessalonians is the one claiming to know something, and that knowing according to Scripture is from the God of the Bible as its Author so He's the One claiming to know something.
I am curious as to what cross checking about Egypt is being referred to that breaks down.........
Audie
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Seriously? I was not talking about Egypt as such,
just giving it as an example of something the bible
got right; there really is an "Egypt". Lots of traces of it.
But since you asked, the whole "Exodus" thing
has no corroborating evidence from Egyptian history,
or anywhere else. Just t he bible story, with all its
magic. The bible stories with magic never ever
check out because, there is never any trace of them.
Likewise, the whole 6 day poof story is contradicted by
every since last speck of relevant evidence ever
examined anywhere on earth.
The flood story, likewise.
Cross check the flood story? Start with how there
could be well over a hundred thousand years'
accumulation of ice in Antarctica, IF there had
really been a "flood" and a global warm climate
up till then.
Cannot be done. EITHER, every one of the thousands of researchers who have done work on polar ice is
uneducated / stupid / dishonest / duped by Satan?
incompetent etc, and every research method used
is worthless, OR the flood story is well, just a story.
For a quick example of how cross checking can be
done in science-
We know from historical records the Vesuvias is
said to have erupted in AD 79. What if you think
maybe that is not so? Maybe the records are wrong..
Want to check?
Well... look in the ice.
Count down 1,939 layers in the ice.
Cross check your count with an E-log*
1939 layers down, you come to a spike in
sulfuric acid, as released by volcanoes.
Better still, there is a layer of ash there!
AND, as each volcano makes ash as distinctive
as a fingerprint, well, you can match it to Vesuvias.
And if you feel like it, you can do a radiocarbon date,
tool
There it is, ash from Vesuvias, right at the AD79
level. Pretty coool, no?
See, ice dating actually does woke, and can by
such means as those be proven to work.
Below the Vesuvias layer, there are thousands
more layers.
What might that mean?
*electronic, based on conductivity of layers.
Each year has a bit different H2S04 content, so
different conductivity.
oh yeah..
Where does the bible story break down?
When you check the flood and the 6 day poof against
some actual hard data. No match, no where, none.
There is No 6-day poof because Genesis does Not say how long each creative day was.
It does Not even mention if each creative days are of the same or of differing lengths of time.
After all, the creative days are all summed up by the single word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4.
Flood waters are Not solid land like Egypt.
Secular history does place the nation of Israel as being in Egypt.
Basically when you say cross checking I was thinking in the terms of cross-referencing with Bible verses.
Since Vesuvias was post-flood, then how does one know the accuracy of carbon dating pre-flood.
It does Not even mention if each creative days are of the same or of differing lengths of time.
After all, the creative days are all summed up by the single word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4.
Flood waters are Not solid land like Egypt.
Secular history does place the nation of Israel as being in Egypt.
Basically when you say cross checking I was thinking in the terms of cross-referencing with Bible verses.
Since Vesuvias was post-flood, then how does one know the accuracy of carbon dating pre-flood.
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Bear Wild
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You have not shown anything that makes sense.
nPeace
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You have not shown anything that makes sense, but that's okay. I give way to you.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Look, I believe in the Genesis accounts (both of them), I DO. But not as science or history. They are creation myths, aka creative stories that (although they they are not factual) contain eternal truths. We learn things like God is creator and that man came from a state of innocence into a state of moral sentience which makes him responsible for his behavior.
It makes no sense to make points such as the text doesn't tell us how long each day was. The days are figurative. Indeed the original form of Genesis 1 was most likely a song and "It was evening and it was morning, the nth day" was probably the refrain.
It makes no sense to make points such as the text doesn't tell us how long each day was. The days are figurative. Indeed the original form of Genesis 1 was most likely a song and "It was evening and it was morning, the nth day" was probably the refrain.
Audie
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The bible calls it six days, but you may know better.
Unless "six days" is intended to be pure metraphor, and
it really means more like 6 billion years, it is still wrong.
I know water is not solid ground. BUT, a flood such as
that would have left signs of its presence in great
abundance everywhere, There is zero.
Now, some explain that by saying god tidied up.
After all if he left proof, you dont need faith.
"Sceular"history, or not,there is NO record of
the exodus outside of the bible.
Cross checking within "Lord of the Rings" will show
that it is quite consistent.
By your figuring, if the bible said Mt Everest is
in the Sinai, and then you could find saying the
same elsewhere in the bible, well, Mt Everest
must surely be there.
REAL cross checking would be to , like see if
it is really there.
Same with the 6 day poof 'n flood. Every last
datum point on earth related to same shows
both are myth.
Carbon dating is only one of the ways used to
study the ice.
But lets look at what is found. Each layer of ice
represents a year; the ongoing formation is studied
as well as the old.
Drill down, count the years. C14 matches the visual
count, and the elog. Both match known dates like
Vesuvias.
So the count goes down down in orderly procession to
to, lets say 2500 BC, the usual approx date for flood.
Lets not quibble over the exact unknown date for a
fictional event. Call it 2500 BC
So you drill down to 2500 BC.
What about the ice below that?
Thousands and thousands of years of ice,
below the "flood", more tens of thousands
below the earliest possible date for
Adam, Eve, and the Six Day Poor?
You think that ice is not there?
Audie
Veteran Member
How does the existence of an undetectable "god'
become an "eternal truth" as revealed through
the imaginary antics of said undetectable god?
As for "figurative" days, how on earth do you
know what the original authors of that tall tale
meant?
Withal, it is a lot like other creation myths from
around the world. I am inclined to think they
are told as being what really happened, not
as misty metaphors for anyone to interpret as
they choose.
In Scripture I find Not authors (plural), but that the ' authors ' were God's secretary as per 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
ALL of the figurative six days are summed up by the word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4.
Thus, like today the word ' day ' has shades of meaning including when we speak of grandfather's day.
Plus, the 7th day was still on going in the first century as per Hebrews 4:4-11.
So, each of the creative days could even be of the same or of differing lengths in time.
By the 6-day poor (pour?) the rains fell for 40 days and nights.
Earliest possible biblical date for Adam and Even is only approx. some 6,000+ years ago.
Secular history puts Israel in Egypt.
The Cairo Museum in Egypt has the granite Merneptah stela that mentions Israel as a non-biblical reference.
Pharaoh of Egypt used the word 'Israel' when referring to Jacob's descendants at Exodus 5:2
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Wait... You think that God DICTATED your scriptures to the authors the way a boss dictates a letter to his secretary? And you use 2 Tim :16-17 to back up that assertion??? All those verses say is inspired/God-breathed. It says nothing about dictated, as if the authors had no part in determining what was set down.
In Judaism, we see the Tanakh on a kind of graduated scale. The Torah (the T in TNKh) was essentially dictated by God to Moses in the manner you have suggested. Umpteen verses say, "And the LORD said, Speak to the Children of Israel saying..." Then there are the writings of the Nevi'im or Prophets (the N in TNKh). God spoke to the Prophets indirectly through dreams and visions. Numbers 12:6. IOW, definitely not dictated, but given in symbols that must be interpreted. Finally there are just the Khetuvim, the Writings (the Kh in TNKh). These are really just written by men with God merely inspiring -- the words, metaphors and images, etc., are all entirely the discretion of the author, but their works are important to us a a Jewish community.