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Are we a simulation?

allfoak

Alchemist
Interesting thoughts, do you have any citations from any scientific peer-reviewed journals that hypothesize an "organic" simulated reality as well as concurring with your methodology of testing for reaching the conclusion that consciousness exists within or not within an "organic" simulation?
I should not have someone else tell me something i can and in fact am required to learn myself.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If so, then is it organic or artificial?




Do we live within an all knowing, ever present Mind?
If this is true, then the simulation must be organic in nature not as the current hypothesis suggests, which is that we live in a computer generated simulation.
Are we part of an organic simulation?
This would solve one of the problems with the current hypothesis.
That being: "How do you simulate consciousness?"
If the simulation is organic in nature then consciousness would be a natural part of the expansion and growth of the universe.
It certainly is held to be a fact that reality is a virtual by large aspects in religion. One does not need god and it theories out identically virtual.

The problem why this theory is so prelevant lays in the aspect of the brain creating these abstractive images in which we ascribe meaning. The "smart" part of neurology. One only has to spend a bit of time in church to realize how language is confused for reality thus we create virtual realities creatively linguistically about the real physical world.

Thats why some say breathing is deeply unappreciated. Reality as virtual is extremely unhealthy mentally and is extremely dangerous. Its disembodied and counter to the new testament. Its not remotely christian textually, but that is exactly how christianity is today conceptually..
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Do we live within an all knowing, ever present Mind?
If this is true, then the simulation must be organic in nature not as the current hypothesis suggests, which is that we live in a computer generated simulation.
Are we part of an organic simulation?
This would solve one of the problems with the current hypothesis.
That being: "How do you simulate consciousness?"
If the simulation is organic in nature then consciousness would be a natural part of the expansion and growth of the universe.
God is the ever present Mind and the source code is the Word of God.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do we live within an all knowing, ever present Mind?
If this is true, then the simulation must be organic
This is one of a number of hypotheses which can't be refuted:

Solipsism, or
that we are elements in a Tron game, or
that the universe sprang into being last Thursday with its history and our memories perfectly conforming to a 14 bn yo universe (attributed to Philip Gosse in his book Omphalos 1857), or
that we are dreams in the brain of a superbeing (or the like).​

and there are probably more.

It was thinking about the problems of solipsism that first made me aware of the need to address such questions by making assumptions (an idea of Descartes, though his differ from mine). First I assume that a world exists external to me. (I can't show it exists without first assuming it exists, so I don't really have a choice). Second, I assume that my senses are capable of informing me about that world. (I can't show this is true without first assuming it's true, so again I have no choice.) My third assumption, more tangentially relevant to the present question, is that reason is a valid tool. Again, I can't show it is without using reason ie first assuming it is, so yet again I need an axiom.)

The first two assumptions arguably deal with the problems on the list except Last Thursdayism, to which I respond, 'I have no reason to think that's correct, and I don't'.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Do we live within an all knowing, ever present Mind?
We're processed by the CPU (God); thus it can be said we're inside the Mind of God.
If so, then is it organic or artificial?
Our ideas of organic are mathematically equated simulated reality inside a computerized simulation.
How do you simulate consciousness?
The whole reality is the consciousness of God.

Consciousness is computer code which is dynamically evolving at a quantum level; where it has sentience, and can query its self.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
If so, then is it organic or artificial?




Do we live within an all knowing, ever present Mind?
If this is true, then the simulation must be organic in nature not as the current hypothesis suggests, which is that we live in a computer generated simulation.
Are we part of an organic simulation?
This would solve one of the problems with the current hypothesis.
That being: "How do you simulate consciousness?"
If the simulation is organic in nature then consciousness would be a natural part of the expansion and growth of the universe.
Panpsychism is organic. As is Hylozoism
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Panpsychism is organic. As is Hylozoism

Panpsychism is highly speculative conjecture, because there's zero evidence that physical entities have any mental attributes; as John Searle rightfully states panpsychism is an "absurd view" and that thermostats lack "enough structure even to be a remote candidate for consciousness.

Immanuel Kant makes compelling arguments against hylozoism in the 3rd chapter of his Metaphysische Anfangsgründe der Naturwissenschaften ("First Metaphysical Principles of Natural Science," 1786) and also in his famous Kritik der reinen Vernunft ("Critique of Pure Reason," 1783).
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
so which of you.....took the red pill?
and who took the blue one?

I took the red pill knowing there is no turning back. I didn't take the blue pill, because I didn't want the story to end, then waking up in bed and simply believing whatever I want to believe. I took the red pill for staying in Wonderland and getting shown how deep the rabbit-hole goes.


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After taking the red pill, I watched the below video about possible evidence of us living in a simulated reality.

 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Skip to 2:44.


That would be one explanation, certainly

But I was thinking they may be beings from outside The Simulation, somehow inserting themselves into it?

Perhaps those "aliens" known as "greys" with their grey skin and big black eyes are the creators of The Simulation?

And perhaps they are inserting themselves into The Simulation using avatars that resemble their actual bodily form, so that their presence within The Simulation resembles what they look like outside of it?
 

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
If so, then is it organic or artificial?
Do we live within an all knowing, ever present Mind?
If this is true, then the simulation must be organic in nature not as the current hypothesis suggests, which is that we live in a computer generated simulation.
Are we part of an organic simulation?
This would solve one of the problems with the current hypothesis.
That being: "How do you simulate consciousness?"
If the simulation is organic in nature then consciousness would be a natural part of the expansion and growth of the universe.
In the Jewish religion (and many other) there is the idea of "one collective mind".
This is also mentioned in many other spiritual documents.

This doesn't mean there is literally one giant mind, rather that all humans (and beings for that matter) are all connected to one collective "information cloud" and that there is an impact to each action you take to all other humans.

your soul is described as a part that is connected to a bigger spiritual realm where the physical boundaries as we experience in this world are not relevant.
It is a very interesting thing that ages ago, these ideas were considered nothing but an imagination of some people, yet today as you said, we slowly discover that the idea of a collective mind is not that far fetched.

More than that, it is described in the Jewish beliefs that our physical world is affected and connected by the spiritual higher dimensions. this works welll with current thesis that our reality is nothing but a "shadow" of other dimensions.

Like it or not, one can no longer dismiss the knowledge that was passed to us from generations that lived thousands of years ago. the more science advances, the more we realize that our reality is not really the reality. it is just the way our brains grasp and interpret what we experience.

The "simulation" we live in, is oth organic and artificial. the creator of this simulation is referred to as God.
God is outside our nature and physical understanding, yet the physics we experience is organic in nature :)
 

allfoak

Alchemist
Panpsychism is organic. As is Hylozoism
Panpsychism
In philosophy, panpsychism is the view that consciousness, mind, or soul is a universal and primordial feature of all things. Panpsychists see themselves as minds in a world of mind. Wikipedia


Hylozoism
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Hylozoism is the philosophical point of view that matter is in some sense alive. The concept dates back at least as far as the Milesian school of pre-Socratic philosophers. The term was introduced to English by Ralph Cudworth in 1678. Wikipedia
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Like it or not, one can no longer dismiss the knowledge that was passed to us from generations that lived thousands of years ago. the more science advances, the more we realize that our reality is not really the reality. it is just the way our brains grasp and interpret what we experience.

Of course, one can dismiss that. It is very simple, actually. Look.

These beliefs are a mix of religion and new aged built up by no greater education than watching chralatans on youtube and based on the same evidence that leads people to believe in horoscopes, homeopathy and that black cats bring bad luck.

They are usually motivated by a bunch of meaningless deepities or just straight ignorance about what modern science really entails. Not to speak of the everlasting hope to extend biological life beyond the obvious irreversible death of our brains.

In that respect, they can be considered not logical conclusions based on no evidence whatsoever. If we do not count wishful thinking as evidence.

How am I doing in dismissing that? Seems really possible after all :)

Ciao

- viole
 

allfoak

Alchemist
Of course, one can dismiss that. It is very simple, actually. Look.

These beliefs are a mix of religion and new aged built up by no greater education than watching chralatans on youtube and based on the same evidence that leads people to believe in horoscopes, homeopathy and that black cats bring bad luck.

They are usually motivated by a bunch of meaningless deepities or just straight ignorance about what modern science really entails. Not to speak of the everlasting hope to extend biological life beyond the obvious irreversible death of our brains.

In that respect, they can be considered not logical conclusions based on no evidence whatsoever. If we do not count wishful thinking as evidence.

How am I doing in dismissing that? Seems really possible after all :)

Ciao

- viole
The Devil is in your bones.:)
 
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