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Do all animals go to Heaven?

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Ok. I probably wouldn't have engaged with you if I had known from the start that you believed that rocks go to heaven.
I never said I believed rocks go to heaven just wondering what parts of gods creation goes to heaven that's all. Where would god draw the line. I know were different humans draw the line. There seems to be some consensus that humans do not want roaches, mosquitoes, parasites and we can probably throw in leaches. But were would god draw the line?
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
I never said I believed rocks go to heaven just wondering what parts of gods creation goes to heaven that's all. Where would god draw the line. I know were different humans draw the line. There seems to be some consensus that humans do not want roaches, mosquitoes, parasites and we can probably throw in leaches. But were would god draw the line?

Why not all living things? Plants, too.

Except okra and brussel sprouts. No one wants those in heaven.

And politicians. No one needs those there either.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
I never said I believed rocks go to heaven just wondering what parts of gods creation goes to heaven that's all. Where would god draw the line. I know were different humans draw the line. There seems to be some consensus that humans do not want roaches, mosquitoes, parasites and we can probably throw in leaches. But were would god draw the line?
God draws the line at Himself and His angels. Nothing and nobody from earth. Everything on earth is physical but everything in Heaven is spiritual.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I believe in the resurrection.

Most believe in a spiritual resurrection, but we also believe that the majority will receive a physical resurrection, like the ones outlined in the Bible. The word "resurrection" in Greek is a·naʹsta·sis which literally means “raising up; standing up.” We saw this with the resurrection of Lazarus, whom Jesus said was "sleeping". (John 11:11-14)

Nine resurrections are mentioned in the Bible, including the resurrection of Jesus by God. We believe that these and the healings performed by Jesus and his apostles were a demonstration of what is to come on a grand scale here on earth under the rulership of God's Kingdom. (Revelation 21:2-4)

I agree with you here. The spirit returns to God because it came from God, it was God who gave it. We are not a spirit. The spirit that is in us belongs to God. It contains all of our experience. It contains all of who we are, our essence. It will ensure our resurrection.

We see that human consciousness is always tied to a functioning brain. This agrees with the original Jewish belief that the soul (the entire person) ceases to exist at death. (Ezekiel 18:4) Brain death is the end of conscious existence.

According to King Solomon...."For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun.......10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going." (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6; 10)

There is no consciousness in death. Also emotions have disappeared, even the capacity to "love"....if one cannot think or feel or act in any way, then death retains nothing of us....it is God who retains a knowledge of who and what we are. When he resurrects the dead through Christ, he calls the dead from their graves and makes that individual "stand up again". Like Lazarus, who made no mention of being anywhere else in a conscious state.....he had "slept" for four days in his tomb.....Jesus called him out of his grave, repaired his decomposing body and gave him back his "breath"...his spirit. If Lazarus was already in a better place, why would Jesus bring him back, only to die again?

And if God has put His spirit in the animals too, can this be how the eyes of the Lord run to and fro? Can God be watching us through the eyes of the animals, through the eyes of our pets, through the eyes of the birds. Not a sparrow can fall without the Father knowing it?

He has put the same breath in animals as he put in us. They breathe the same oxygen that we do. I don't see that an all powerful God needs to be watching us through the eyes of animals....his own omniscience is sufficient surely?

I disagree with this part. But i've only recently changed my mind on it. The rapture people quote a verse where they think God brings from Heaven the spirits that have fallen asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:14

I am not in agreeance with a rapture as they assume it.

This verse to us means that those who have already experienced a spiritual resurrection (those chosen to rule with Christ in his kingdom, whom Jesus says are resurrected "first" in Revelation 20:6) will accompany Jesus and his angels when the remaining ones of that group are "transformed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" to join them in this final act of judgment.

Only the chosen ones will go to heaven. God does the choosing. (Revelation 14:1-4)

But i think where it says "bring with him", it means bring with Him away from the earth on the trip back to New Jerusalem. New Jerusalem is heaven. New Jerusalem is the Father's House with many rooms. God will also bring with Him to heaven, those who have fallen asleep.

I agree with you that New Jerusalem is in heaven. But Revelation 21:2-4 tells us that Christ and his "bride" will bring the rule of the kingdom to "man", ending all pain, suffering and death.

It is a heavenly government with earthly subjects. This makes sense to us because originally, God put humans on earth with no mention of death, (except as a consequence for disobedience,) in a beautiful paradise generously filled with everything they could possibly need. Humans were instructed to "fill the earth and subdue it". It was never intended to be a training ground for heaven, but to be our permanent home. The need for a saviour and a kingdom arose because of the fall of man into sin.

God responded by sending his son to rescue Adam's children from the awful inheritance he left for them. (Romans 5:12)
Jesus came to buy back what Adam lost.....everlasting life in paradise on earth. We believe that I t will be restored.

his spirit comes from God, and a spirit from God cannot die.

There is no immortal soul or spirit mentioned in the Bible for humans. We are fully mortal with an innate need to worship our Creator....our inborn spiritual capacity.

Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?” - Ecclesiastes 3:20-21

At the time of writing, Solomon did not know about God's plans for the future. The "sacred mystery" was to be gradually revealed as time progressed. A good deal of that 'mystery' was revealed in Jesus' day, but not fully understood until "the time of the end" foretold by Daniel. (Daniel 12:4; 9-10) Only at this time would God 'cleanse, whiten and refine' his worshippers and supply an abundance of knowledge.

I don't know. We'll find out when we get there. But i believe that heaven is a physical place.

Heaven cannot be a physical place. It is inhabited by spirit beings, including God. It is a realm where humans cannot exist, hence the need to transform the bodies of those taken there.

There were glimpses of this spiritual realm given to John in his Revelation....but he had difficulty describing what he was seeing in human terms. As I recall, Ezekiel did too.

Streets of pure gold, gates of pearl, foundation walls of every kind of jewel. And there'll be the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And as Jesus promised, we will drink from the fruit of the vine when it is new in His Father's Kingdom.

The chosen ones alone will experience life in the spiritual realm, but they are a minority. The majority will be resurrected to paradise, not in heaven, but right here on a new cleansed earth. (2 Peter 3:13) The evildoer hung alongside Jesus was promised paradise, not heaven.

They didn't have to tell us about that. We didn't need to be aware of this at this time. They must want us to know that we are not going to be disembodied spirits floating around in some strange space.

The Bible clearly states that death is the end of life...for now. We sleep....resting in peace....waiting for the call to wake up. (John 5:28-29)

"Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. - Revelation 12:17

Indeed....troublesome times are here and will only get worse. We are in a spiritual war but we have no need of physical weapons. (2 Corinthians 10:3-4) We fight with spiritual weapons, wearing spiritual armour. (Eph 6:11-13)

That is how we interpret these things.

Nice sharing with you.
 
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RoaringSilence

Active Member
If a god creates all live including all animals (humans being one of those animals) and also has a heaven to go to, do all animals (and plants for that matter) go to heaven? I know many people who have pets that believe they have souls and believe that they will meet their pets in heaven.

in hinduism when u have lower births ( patal lok- the lower realm of existence ) you are going thru a cycle of your past karma and since you cannot expand your consciousness unless you follow an x path as in a human birth. once your karmic debt if paid off, then u get another chance of being human again to expand your individual conscience.

soul of plants or trees or even a particle of sand , it is believed to be potent of the ultimate omnipresent god's spirit. every particle is surrounded with that natural radiance , a stones spirit is like a blank hard drive, it will merge with the elements directly based on its inner contents , since it 's actions or deeds cannot get accounted however its state determines its ultimate resting point.

humans vest their belief's on a stone statue and charge it with their beliefs. for example a stone statue if it becomes a focal point for people meditating upon it, like this adiyogi statue is the new focal point for many
the fabric that holds the weight of the planets has the intelligence to disentangle each particle to wherever it belongs by default . flesh bones and brain are of this earth and they remain here, but the aura that we develop personally is our own individual making and that multicolored spirit of identity. those who meditate on the name of an "X" god will merge with the qualities of that state.

 
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viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
If a god creates all live including all animals (humans being one of those animals) and also has a heaven to go to, do all animals (and plants for that matter) go to heaven? I know many people who have pets that believe they have souls and believe that they will meet their pets in heaven.

Well, yes.

Untli some can make it clear when some got an immortal soul while her parents did not. And why.

Ciao

- viole
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Why do you think God loves animals any less than He loves the rest of His creation, just because He didn't give them souls to be saved so that they could spend eternity in heaven?
I do not know what will happen to animals, but ALL humans have souls which will continue to exist after the death of the physical body.

There is no such thing as saved vs. unsaved. People will end where wherever they were at the moment of death according to how near they are to God and how they lived their lives.

Atheists who led good lives can come to realize that God exists in the afterlife and advance from there. There will be angels who come to help them. Souls who want to remain in ignorance will remain in ignorance.

My best friends are atheists and they are also the ones who come to help me when I need help. Just because they do not see any evidence for God's existence they will not be punished. Christianity is such a cruel religion.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Just do not understand a god that does not love all of its creation.
Nor do I, but the jury is out on animals in the afterlife. We just don't know. It makes me pretty mad that God did not bother to reveal that in scriptures and so we have to guess.... :mad:

It is as much as saying it is not important enough to reveal. But it is important to me and a lot of other people. A heaven without animals would be hell. Of course one could say that we do not know what else will be in heaven, and that would make up for not having animals, but that is not the point at all... The point is that God would create animals just for the brief time they have on earth. It is not about what I need, it is about the animals. :rolleyes:
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Most animals go on for awhile and join their group soul. Domesticated animals that have advanced through human interactions can have a richer afterlife experience.

IMO
Do you know if any spirit communications have spirits who reported having seen animals in the spiritual world, or is this your conjecture, IMO as you said?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
You would think that if people want the truth they would go to the Bible. And the Bible teaches that no one
(animals or humans ) goes to Heaven. Heaven is for God and the angels and the earth is for humans and animals. But no one wants to believe it.
May I ask where the Bible says that humans do not go to heaven?

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
I believe that all souls go to the spiritual world after the physical body dies and go to one of the mansions which represent various levels of spiritual advancement. Which mansion they go to depends upon their spiritual condition at the time of death but they can advance over time and go to a higher level. The lower mansions would be akin to hell and the higher mansions would be akin to heaven and the angels are souls in heaven. The angels come down from heaven and try to help those on lower levels.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Yes the will all go to heaven why not? Why would you want to be in a heaven with only humans on it? Life is diversity and should remain that way.
“The spiritual world is like unto the phenomenal world. They are the exact counterpart of each other. Whatever objects appear in this world of existence are the outer pictures of the world of heaven.”
The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 10

I hope that means that there will be animals in heaven. A heaven with only humans would be very drab and boring and lonely. :(
 

Axe Elf

Prophet
Ok then, so do you think that God loves the mineral part of His creation less than the rest of it--or do you think that the rocks and minerals will eventually go to heaven too, once the Earth is engulfed by the sun?

What about plants? Are they loved less by God--or do you think you will see that salad you had for lunch again one day in paradise?

Yes they will all go to heaven why not? Why would you want to be in a heaven with only humans on it? Life is diversity and should remain that way.

I never said I believed rocks go to heaven

Um, yes you did. See above.

But where would god draw the line?

God draws the line at creatures with souls who were not created for destruction. So angels and some humans; that's all.
 
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