WalterTrull
Godfella
Well, not the "dumb as a ..." variety.rocks go to heaven.
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Well, not the "dumb as a ..." variety.rocks go to heaven.
I never said I believed rocks go to heaven just wondering what parts of gods creation goes to heaven that's all. Where would god draw the line. I know were different humans draw the line. There seems to be some consensus that humans do not want roaches, mosquitoes, parasites and we can probably throw in leaches. But were would god draw the line?Ok. I probably wouldn't have engaged with you if I had known from the start that you believed that rocks go to heaven.
I never said I believed rocks go to heaven just wondering what parts of gods creation goes to heaven that's all. Where would god draw the line. I know were different humans draw the line. There seems to be some consensus that humans do not want roaches, mosquitoes, parasites and we can probably throw in leaches. But were would god draw the line?
Roasted brussel sprouts are not so bad but you can leave most of the politicians behind.Why not all living things? Plants, too.
Except okra and brussel sprouts. No one wants those in heaven.
And politicians. No one needs those there either.
God draws the line at Himself and His angels. Nothing and nobody from earth. Everything on earth is physical but everything in Heaven is spiritual.I never said I believed rocks go to heaven just wondering what parts of gods creation goes to heaven that's all. Where would god draw the line. I know were different humans draw the line. There seems to be some consensus that humans do not want roaches, mosquitoes, parasites and we can probably throw in leaches. But were would god draw the line?
I believe in the resurrection.
I agree with you here. The spirit returns to God because it came from God, it was God who gave it. We are not a spirit. The spirit that is in us belongs to God. It contains all of our experience. It contains all of who we are, our essence. It will ensure our resurrection.
And if God has put His spirit in the animals too, can this be how the eyes of the Lord run to and fro? Can God be watching us through the eyes of the animals, through the eyes of our pets, through the eyes of the birds. Not a sparrow can fall without the Father knowing it?
I disagree with this part. But i've only recently changed my mind on it. The rapture people quote a verse where they think God brings from Heaven the spirits that have fallen asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:14
But i think where it says "bring with him", it means bring with Him away from the earth on the trip back to New Jerusalem. New Jerusalem is heaven. New Jerusalem is the Father's House with many rooms. God will also bring with Him to heaven, those who have fallen asleep.
his spirit comes from God, and a spirit from God cannot die.
Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?” - Ecclesiastes 3:20-21
I don't know. We'll find out when we get there. But i believe that heaven is a physical place.
Streets of pure gold, gates of pearl, foundation walls of every kind of jewel. And there'll be the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And as Jesus promised, we will drink from the fruit of the vine when it is new in His Father's Kingdom.
They didn't have to tell us about that. We didn't need to be aware of this at this time. They must want us to know that we are not going to be disembodied spirits floating around in some strange space.
"Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. - Revelation 12:17
If a god creates all live including all animals (humans being one of those animals) and also has a heaven to go to, do all animals (and plants for that matter) go to heaven? I know many people who have pets that believe they have souls and believe that they will meet their pets in heaven.
If a god creates all live including all animals (humans being one of those animals) and also has a heaven to go to, do all animals (and plants for that matter) go to heaven? I know many people who have pets that believe they have souls and believe that they will meet their pets in heaven.
I do not know what will happen to animals, but ALL humans have souls which will continue to exist after the death of the physical body.Why do you think God loves animals any less than He loves the rest of His creation, just because He didn't give them souls to be saved so that they could spend eternity in heaven?
Nor do I, but the jury is out on animals in the afterlife. We just don't know. It makes me pretty mad that God did not bother to reveal that in scriptures and so we have to guess....Just do not understand a god that does not love all of its creation.
What ancestors?Just try to die with no regrets and with all that needs to be said, said. Be at peace and grateful as you go to be with the ancestors.
Oops, I replied to the wrong thread, weirdly. LolWhat ancestors?
Do you know if any spirit communications have spirits who reported having seen animals in the spiritual world, or is this your conjecture, IMO as you said?Most animals go on for awhile and join their group soul. Domesticated animals that have advanced through human interactions can have a richer afterlife experience.
IMO
Again, do you have any evidence of that or is this just an opinion?The contact with and affection with humans can raise them to a higher level (to between the animal and human levels).
May I ask where the Bible says that humans do not go to heaven?You would think that if people want the truth they would go to the Bible. And the Bible teaches that no one
(animals or humans ) goes to Heaven. Heaven is for God and the angels and the earth is for humans and animals. But no one wants to believe it.
Yes the will all go to heaven why not? Why would you want to be in a heaven with only humans on it? Life is diversity and should remain that way.
Ok then, so do you think that God loves the mineral part of His creation less than the rest of it--or do you think that the rocks and minerals will eventually go to heaven too, once the Earth is engulfed by the sun?
What about plants? Are they loved less by God--or do you think you will see that salad you had for lunch again one day in paradise?
Yes they will all go to heaven why not? Why would you want to be in a heaven with only humans on it? Life is diversity and should remain that way.
I never said I believed rocks go to heaven
But where would god draw the line?
The evidence is the experiences of an untold number of people that have claimed experience with animals after their death.Again, do you have any evidence of that or is this just an opinion?
Thanks, that is good enough for me.The evidence is the experiences of an untold number of people that have claimed experience with animals after their death.