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Where are the miracles?

logician

logician

Well-Known Member
Since the supposed Jesus was a miracle worker, and true Christians
get their power from Jesus, why don't we see Christians now a days
raising people from the dead, turning water into wine, walking on water,
feeding thousands with a few loaves and fish, etc. etc.

Is it because these things are impossible tales now, just like they
were then?
 
dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
wanderer085 said:
Since the supposed Jesus was a miracle worker, and true Christians
get their power from Jesus, why don't we see Christians now a days
raising people from the dead, turning water into wine, walking on water,
feeding thousands with a few loaves and fish, etc. etc.

Is it because these things are impossible tales now, just like they
were then?
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These things are not impossible...people simply lack faith that they can do these things because of Christ within them.

I'm a Pentecostal Christian and we DO believe in modern day miracles. Of course, it takes faith to achieve such things and God must also will these things to happen.

I've seen a lot of faith healings with my own two eyes. And I've heard tales of people being brought back from the dead. Believe what you want of that...
 
Neale

Neale

Debonaire Rationale
I suppose you have to consider who Jesus was in relation to regular humans. Being of a completely divine nature, and also completely human, he has the former "up" on us.

I don't think that Jesus is interpreted as a "source" of "power" that one can merely tap into for some quantitative value of an abstraction such as "power."

One has to consider that he completely had the "power" of the Holy Spirit working through him and from him. I think that perhaps if the nature of Jesus allowed for such of an exchange of "power," then your model would work. But, as I've said in previous posts:

God works in mysterious and shockingly inefficient ways. :)
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
wanderer085 said:
Since the supposed Jesus was a miracle worker, and true Christians
get their power from Jesus, why don't we see Christians now a days
raising people from the dead, turning water into wine, walking on water,
feeding thousands with a few loaves and fish, etc. etc.

Is it because these things are impossible tales now, just like they
were then?
Click to expand...

What is the purpose of those miracles from a Christian perspective?
 
Neale

Neale

Debonaire Rationale
If that is truly the case, from a Christian perspective, how does the Christian "model" you present of "tapping into Christ's power" fit the bill with those outside of the Christian faith performing what we would consider miracles: bilocating, levitating, controlling wild animals, etc.?

All of the above have happened outside of Christianity, and my guess is without Christ's "power."
 
lamplighter

lamplighter

Almighty Tallest
I've seen some faith "healings" and was underwhelmed by the salesman's ability to get people into a fever pitch, and have people jumping around ignoring there ailments because of the surge of adrenaline allowed them to do so. Now if it was shown that someone who was suffering severely from cancer was cured, well I'ld start believing otherwise, but I certainly see no lines of the deathly sick bending around the corner to the church to be healed.
 
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Genna

Member
wanderer085 said:
Since the supposed Jesus was a miracle worker, and true Christians
get their power from Jesus, why don't we see Christians now a days
raising people from the dead, turning water into wine, walking on water,
feeding thousands with a few loaves and fish, etc. etc.

Is it because these things are impossible tales now, just like they
were then?
Click to expand...

I actually became more convince that God and Jesus truly existed after I shattered my ankle. I had prayed for it to be healed and it healed instantaneously, no going to the hospital! You don't consider this a miracle? Also Jesus said that only a wicked and adulterous generation seeks after signs such as miracles:

Matthew 16:4 - A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

And to those who refuse to believe until they see miracles for themselves, he said:

John 4:48 - Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Do these verse mean anything to you dear?
 
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