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God's Great Success

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
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At this point in history, I find man has multiplied and filled (populated) the Earth, but has Not been a good care giver of Earth and its resources.
Since God's purpose is that Earth be populated (Not over populated) and Earth be a beautiful paradisical Eden, then where mankind has failed is to care for Earth, but man is bringing ruin to Earth.

So, mankind has been faithful to the multiply part, but Not faithful to have things in proper subjection on Earth.

Agreed.

This means the sacred writings tell us it is getting to be time for God to bring to ruin those ruining the Earth as brought out at Revelation 11:18B.
So, this means that God will have Jesus step in to rid the Earth of the wicked forever as per Psalms 92:7.
By the executional words from Jesus' mouth the wicked will be destroyed forever - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-16.
That opens up the way for people of goodwill to become part of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule when it begins over Earth, and then we will see the return of the Genesis 'Tree of Life ' on Earth for the healing of earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2. That is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come! Come and bring heavenly benefits to Earth, that way Earth can and will become a beautiful paradisical garden as Eden originally was a sample for us to follow.

Thank you for answering the question. Obviously the JWs offer a vision for the future based on an understanding of the book of revelation. A Baha'i understanding of the same book is most of the prophecies have come to pass and now we need to collectively put it into practice. So instead of waiting for the apocalypse, we're actively working alongside like minded peoples to establish peace on earth as foretold.
 
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Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
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As one who was born in 1945 and now am 25 years young (new math), I now have hope that the "my way or the highway" approach that was so prevalent in decades and centuries past is much less, so now we're seeing much more emphasis on ecumenism than in the decades that I grew up (or tried to) in. Even more and more Evangelicals that were more politically persuaded that climate change is a "hoax" are changing their tune and realizing we've gotta do something to try and slow this global warming down or there will be much suffering in the future-- even the near future.

And we've got to get off the "me-ism" that has it that "others should sacrifice but not me", so there are a lot of things we can do just in our own home and our own communities.

I like your vision of peoples reaching out across barriers to work together for the good of all. That we understand science and act in a manner that is evidence based, especially in matters such as the environment that affect us all.

The standard isn't what faith or worldview we identify with, but whether we're are prepared to work with others for the betterment of all.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Obviously the JWs offer a vision for the future based on an understanding of the book of revelation. A Baha'i understanding of the same book is most of the prophecies have come to pass and now we need to collectively put it into practice. So intense of waiting for the apocalypse, we're actively working alongside like minded peoples to establish peace on earth as foretold.

Do Baha'i's believe that the "great tribulation" has already taken place? (Matthew 24:21) It is that event that heralds the coming of Christ to end the rot once and for all.
He will introduce his Kingdom by crushing all other human rulerships out of existence, according to Daniel. (Daniel 2:44)

Has Matthew 24:29-31 already happened?

Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity."

I see Baha'i's taking a bit of scripture here and a bit there, but none of it adds up. True peace will never come about by man. He will never accomplish peace on earth.....there will be a cry of peace and security...but it will be short lived.

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3...."For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.”

God's kingdom alone will bring peace to the earth by eliminating all causes of wickedness, and those who practice it. Its the only way that God's will can "be done on earth as it is in heaven".

Humans have treated their earthly home as a garbage dump....for this they will also answer.

Revelation 11:18...."But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

Humans are completely inept when it comes to ruling themselves. I believe that the only way to solve the entrenched problems of human rulership is to completely remove it. This is what the Bible say that God will do....whether we believe it or not.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
The call is for unity in our diversity and a name is just a barrier if one restricts Faith to a name. .. So mo matter what we call our self, true faith is virtues in action.
Such a person who acts according to 'dharma' is a 'Hindu' or a 'Buddhist'. Any problem in calling yourself a Hindu? We do not even ask to believe in any One God or a host of prophets, sons, messengers, manifestations and mahdis.

You are saying Baha, Baha. URAVIP2ME and Deeje are saying Jesus Jesus. Some one else would come and say Mohammad, Mohammad. This is the root cause of conflict. Abandon calling these persons. Accept that 'dharma' is greater than any God, prophet, son, messenger, manifestation or mahdi. That is how world can live in peace and not by calling these names.

Regards, Aupmanyav
 
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TransmutingSoul

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Such a person who acts according to 'dharma' is a 'Hindu' or a 'Buddhist'. Any problem in calling yourself a Hindu? We do not even ask to believe in any One God or a host of prophets, sons, messengers, manifestations and mahdis.

You are saying Baha, Baha. URAVIP2ME and Deeje are saying Jesus Jesus. Some one else would come and say Mohammad, Mohammad. This is the root cause of conflict. Abandon calling these persons. Accept that 'dharma' is greater than any God, prophet, son, messenger, manifestation or mahdi. That is how world can live in peace and not by calling these names.

Regards, Aupmanyav

A Baha'i acknowledges all of Gods Messengers, some have chosen not to.

The root cause of conflict is not the Messengers, it is disunity and predudices. A Baha'i will not use any Messengers or no Messenger as a point of conflict.

Live the virtues and the world will find unity.

Regards Tony
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
You have a prejudice for Bahaullah. And why this insistence on just one God? Why did not Bahaullah accept that there is a possibility of multiple Gods and Goddesses? Was he for unity or for monotheism? Monotheism creates disunity. Why sow the germ for disunity? Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Vivekananda and Raman Maharshi in India also said the same. Will you accept them as messengers of Gods and Goddesses? You are no better than any other monotheist dispensation touting the supremacy of the propounder of your belief.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
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Do Baha'i's believe that the "great tribulation" has already taken place? (Matthew 24:21) It is that event that heralds the coming of Christ to end the rot once and for all.
He will introduce his Kingdom by crushing all other human rulerships out of existence, according to Daniel. (Daniel 2:44)

Has Matthew 24:29-31 already happened?

Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity."

The great tribulation began with WWI in 1914. WWII was essentially an extension of this same war.

When Jesus came He predicted the destruction of the Jewish temple (Matthew 24:1-2). This happened in 70 AD about 40 years after He predicted it. This was the beginning of the great tribution for the Jewish people. Jesus described it as the abomination that leads to desotation (Matthew 24:15). This was a fulfilment of prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27.

Matthew 24 is known as the Olivet discourse as it was near the Mount of Olives. It was the last major sermon of Christ recorded in the synoptic gospels before He was crucified. Jesus's warning is crystal clear about what is going to happen. There is no "If the Jewish people, don't accept me, then this will happen". It was apparent after 3 years of Jesus's ministry the Jewish people, except a small number, were never going to accept Him. The desolation that caused abomination or the destruction of the Jewish temple was the start of an extremely difficult time for the Jewish peoples like none that had been (Matthew 24:21). They would be driven from their homeland and prevented from freely returning until the nineteenth century. So the tribulation came after Jesus was crucified and was a direct consequence of the Jews response to His message.

Jesus also warned against false prophets (Matthew 24:23-26). It was a time of Messianic expectation and so others around that period of time who made claim to be the Messiah. The most notable of Jewish Messianic claimants was Simon bar Kokhba.

Simon bar Kokhba - Wikipedia

Despite the devastation wrought by the Romans during the First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE), which left the population and countryside in ruins, a series of laws passed by Roman Emperors provided the incentive for the second rebellion. Based on the delineation of years in Eusebius' Chronicon (now Chronicle of Jerome), it was only in the 16th year of Hadrian's reign, or what was equivalent to the 4th year of the 227th Olympiad, that the Jewish revolt began, under the Roman governor Tineius (Tynius) Rufus, whereas Hadrian sent an army to crush the resistance. Bar Kokhba, the leader of this resistance at the time, punished any Jew who refused to join his ranks. Two and a half years later, the war had ended. The Roman Emperor Hadrian at this time barred Jews from entering Jerusalem; a new Roman city, Aelia Capitolina, was to be built in its place.

The second Jewish rebellion took place 60 years after the first and established an independent state lasting three years. For many Jews of the time, this turn of events was heralded as the long hoped for Messianic Age. The excitement was short-lived, however, and after a brief span of glory, the revolt was crushed by the Roman legions.


One of the problems I have with the interpretation of apocalyptic scripture by fundamentalist Christians is their tendency towards literal interpretation leading to a belief that a series of miraculous and highly implausible events will happen. Further, there is magical thinking. We just need to wait for the apocalypse to happen and Jesus is going to come and make it all better. I don't believe G-d works this way and if we want to understand how G-d works we look to history and scripture. In that sense the return of Christ will have similarities to when He came the first time (Thessalonians 5:2-4). As the sincerity of hearts were tested when Christ came the first time, so to they are tested again. History repeats itself.

So when Biblical prophecy was fulfilled through the twin Manifestations of the Baha'i Revelation, it was similar to what happened after Christ came. Governmental and religious leaders of the Christian world largely ignored Baha'u'llah's summons that the One whom had been promised in the gospels had come. Baha'u'llah wrote to Pope Pious IX, Czar Alexandra II of Russia, Queen Victoria of England, Napolean III of France and Wilheim Kaiser I of Germany and in no uncertain terms made clear who He was and what needed to happen and why.

Beginning in 1867 in Adrianople and continuing later in ‘Akká, Bahá’u’lláh wrote to the kings and rulers of the world, including Emperor Napoleon III, Queen Victoria, Kaiser Wilhelm I, Tsar Alexander II, Emperor Franz Joseph, Pope Pius IX, Sultan Abdul-Aziz, and the Iranian ruler, Nasiri'd-Din Shah.


In these letters, Bahá’u’lláh openly proclaimed His station as a Messenger of God. He urged the leaders to pursue justice and disarmament and exhorted them to band together into a commonwealth of nations, warning them of the dire consequences should they fail to establish peace.


Bahá’u’lláh writes to the rulers of the world - The Life of Bahá'u'lláh

As the Jews had either ignored and rejected Christ's message, so too did the Kings and leaders of the Christian world reponded in kind to what Baha'u'llah had to say.

The temporal power of the Papacy finally ended in 1870, the very year Baha'u'llah wrote to him. Napolean III was defeated in battle and humiliated a year after receiving his second letter. The family of the Tsar lost power and were killed in 1917 with the Russian revolution. Europe, the heart of Christianity since the Emperor Constantine converted in the 4th century, became engulfed in two wars and the great depression over a 31 years period. By the time WWII ended in 1945 the world had changed forever. The world that had largely been ruled by the Euroean powers had been rolled up with the disintegration of these Empires and a new world order was established. This was the great tribulation.

In regards the specific prophetic fulfilment of Matthew 24:30 Baha'u'llah explained these words in great detail.

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Íqán, Pages 3-41

The sun and moon are not those of the visible universe. The sun is the Sun of Truth or the light of G-d that shines through Revelations such as those of Moses, Jesus or Baha'u'llah. So when the sun bcomes dimmed it means the truth is obscured. The moon and stars are like the luminaries of these great teachings, so when their light no longer shines or they fall from heaven it means they have become corrupted. So the leaders of religion and the saints fell from heaven. It can't be a star literally falling from heaven as the world wound end in an instant. The changes and deterioration in religion lead to great oppression and darkness. Baha'u'llah explained the greatest oppression is when one seeks truth but the conditions of religion have been so utterly corrupted he is no longer able to find that truth. These were signs that accompanied not only the advent of Christ, but Baha'u'lllah too.

The clouds of heaven that Jesus appears on in Matthew 24:31 symbolise loftiness and glory. What greater loftiness and glory could than One who brings teachings from G-d such as Moses, Jesus, and Baha'u'llah did. Clouds can also obscure truth. So the clouds of men's traditions and false expectations become a barrier to the truth he seeks and being able to see that truth. The Jews exemplified this principle in the time of Christ when their understanding and expectation based on their vain imaginings predominated.

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Íqán, Pages 41-80

I see Baha'i's taking a bit of scripture here and a bit there, but none of it adds up. True peace will never come about by man. He will never accomplish peace on earth.....there will be a cry of peace and security...but it will be short lived.

Its much better to quote one verse that is relevant to the discussion than to take a shot gun approach and quote many verses that are not properly understood. Besides that, too much quoting can border on proselytizing that is against the RF rules.

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3...."For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.”

There wasn't too much safety for the peoples of Europe from WWI to WWII. Many other places in the world were affected too.
 
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Riders

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In Genesis G-d creates the heavens and the earth and every living being including us. We are to have dominion over the earth.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:26-28

Arguments about literalism and symbolism of G-d's word aside, we certainly have been fruitful and multiplied. We have dominion over the earth. We have come to dominate the earth and find ourselves in the midst of an ecological disaster that arguably has no parallel in human history.

So we've been faihful to G-d's plan whether we believe in Him or not. Now what? What do our sacred writings or worldview tell us to do at this point in history and why?


Now what? Mother nature the Godess is coming to take over and rid herself from us and we die off from starvation and sickness and global wearing which by 2030 with start killing us.Then The Godess other nature starts the evolution over with dinosaurs and cave men etc,,,,,,
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
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Now what? Mother nature the Godess is coming to take over and rid herself from us and we die off from starvation and sickness and global wearing which by 2030 with start killing us.Then The Godess other nature starts the evolution over with dinosaurs and cave men etc,,,,,,

Some problems can be solved if people are willing to cooperate and work together. Humanity is capable of sustainable development. It does need collective will to rise above greed and blatant self-interest.
 

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
In Genesis G-d creates the heavens and the earth and every living being including us. We are to have dominion over the earth.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:26-28

Arguments about literalism and symbolism of G-d's word aside, we certainly have been fruitful and multiplied. We have dominion over the earth. We have come to dominate the earth and find ourselves in the midst of an ecological disaster that arguably has no parallel in human history.

So we've been faihful to G-d's plan whether we believe in Him or not. Now what? What do our sacred writings or worldview tell us to do at this point in history and why?
I think you are mixing up dominion with abuse.
God granted us the domination over other beings, nowhere did it give us permission to murder, abuse or hurt any other creature.
Even the permission to eat meat was given only after humans begged to eat meet and they were granted this ability with much anger and despise.
Having dominion over others means you should care and rule them to prosper, not use them as you see fit to your own needs.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Thank you for answering the question. Obviously the JWs offer a vision for the future based on an understanding of the book of revelation. A Baha'i understanding of the same book is most of the prophecies have come to pass and now we need to collectively put it into practice. So instead of waiting for the apocalypse, we're actively working alongside like minded peoples to establish peace on earth as foretold.

I find the figurative humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 are Not just sitting around waiting for the apocalypse, but are also doing the 'spiritual work' of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 in telling others about the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 besides being a good neighborly Samaritan for those in need on a one-on-one basis.

To me, the Bible teaches such as found at Jeremiah 17:9 that the heart is treacherous, so the imperfect heart is like having a traitor within us.
The heart urges us to do something, then afterwards it gives us all the reasons why we should Not have done what we did in the first place.
This means to me that men alone can Not establish peace on earth, we need an alternate government to help.
For me that government is the coming one that Jesus is King of God's Kingdom government for a thousand years.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Do Baha'i's believe that the "great tribulation" has already taken place? (Matthew 24:21) It is that event that heralds the coming of Christ to end the rot once and for all.
Has Matthew 24:29-31 already happened?
Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.
1 Thessalonians 5:2-3...."For you yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.”
God's kingdom alone will bring peace to the earth by eliminating all causes of wickedness, and those who practice it. Its the only way that God's will can "be done on earth as it is in heaven".
Humans have treated their earthly home as a garbage dump....for this they will also answer.
Revelation 11:18...."But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”
I would like to take the liberty to add that Matthew 24 has two (2) fulfillments: a minor one and a MAJOR one.
The minor one was fulfilled in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed Jerusalem.
The MAJOR fulfillment is the ' great tribulation ' of Revelation 7:14 still ahead of us.
Since Revelation was written after the year 70, then the minor fulfillment is past, but Not the MAJOR one.
So, to me there are two (2) parts to Matthew chapter 24, and the MAJOR fulfillment part is still ahead of us.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I would agree many want unity but do not know where to turn.
Personally I see humanity languishing on its bed of sickness, sore-tried and disillusioned.
Nothing but the wholesome medicine given by a great physician, will now suffice.
I find that ' wholesome medicine ' given by The Great Physician is the prescription found at Revelation 22:2.
Please notice that mankind will see the return of the Genesis " Tree of Life " for the 'healing' of earth's nations.
So, the " leaves " from the " Tree of Life " are going to be the wholesome medicine given by The Great Physician.
So, I agree, at this point Nothing but the wholesome medicine given by The Great Physician will now suffice.
Then, we will see perfectly healthy people on Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
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In Genesis G-d creates the heavens and the earth and every living being including us. We are to have dominion over the earth.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:26-28

Arguments about literalism and symbolism of G-d's word aside, we certainly have been fruitful and multiplied. We have dominion over the earth. We have come to dominate the earth and find ourselves in the midst of an ecological disaster that arguably has no parallel in human history.

So we've been faihful to G-d's plan whether we believe in Him or not. Now what? What do our sacred writings or worldview tell us to do at this point in history and why?

Why do you call it G-d? And is that applicable only in English?

When you pray, do you say: plead Gd, do this or that?

Ciao

- viole
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
It's actually pretty sad that people still want to confirm that which is unconfirmed- namely things like Revelation.

You're not doing anyone a service by gossiping on the world; you're doing a disservice (to yourself and others).

Giving accurate prophecy doesn't exempt you from giving false prophecy. Why don't you all understand that? Pay attention.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I find the figurative humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 are Not just sitting around waiting for the apocalypse, but are also doing the 'spiritual work' of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 in telling others about the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 besides being a good neighborly Samaritan for those in need on a one-on-one basis.

To me, the Bible teaches such as found at Jeremiah 17:9 that the heart is treacherous, so the imperfect heart is like having a traitor within us.
The heart urges us to do something, then afterwards it gives us all the reasons why we should Not have done what we did in the first place.
This means to me that men alone can Not establish peace on earth, we need an alternate government to help.
For me that government is the coming one that Jesus is King of God's Kingdom government for a thousand years.

Isn't your work in vain if Christ has already returned?

If you are wrong, you are simply adding another "I'm right, your wrong" denomination to Christianity and accelerating its demise.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I think you are mixing up dominion with abuse.
God granted us the domination over other beings, nowhere did it give us permission to murder, abuse or hurt any other creature.
Even the permission to eat meat was given only after humans begged to eat meet and they were granted this ability with much anger and despise.
Having dominion over others means you should care and rule them to prosper, not use them as you see fit to your own needs.

I think you are reading something into my OP that isn't there. I'm not blaming G-d for the current circumstances but man. My question is, what does G-d want us to do now?
 

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
I think you are reading something into my OP that isn't there. I'm not blaming G-d for the current circumstances but man. My question is, what does G-d want us to do now?
The answer is the same thing it always wanted :)
In a nutshell:
Acknowledge and accept the fact that it exists.
Be a good person that wants to help human become better.
This is the very basic request God presents us with.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
In Genesis G-d creates the heavens and the earth and every living being including us. We are to have dominion over the earth.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:26-28

Arguments about literalism and symbolism of G-d's word aside, we certainly have been fruitful and multiplied. We have dominion over the earth. We have come to dominate the earth and find ourselves in the midst of an ecological disaster that arguably has no parallel in human history.

So we've been faihful to G-d's plan whether we believe in Him or not. Now what? What do our sacred writings or worldview tell us to do at this point in history and why?
God's great success? He said he was sorry he created man and flooded the whole world, allegedly, to rid the world of evil men and animals and Nephilim. Did he rid the world of evil? No. He wasn't successful.

If I were a Christian, I'd be wondering about God's plan. He makes a spirit creature that he knows will rebel? Then he sends this evil spirit being to Earth? But, to save the day, God sends his only Son, Jesus, to save the day? By having him killed?

But who, other than Christians, believes that. And what's worse, Christians believe the next step is total destruction of the Earth and most of its inhabitants. But, Baha'is believe that a tremendous upheaval is eminent also don't they? So, either way, Christian or Baha'i, the world is heading towards disaster. Christians say that after the disaster Jesus will return and make everything perfect. Baha'is say that the "Christ" has already come, and the leaders of the nations didn't listen to him, so now, the disaster will happen... and people will then turn to the Baha'i Faith to show people the way to restore the Earth.

Is that close to what you believe? If so, do Baha'is believe their is a way to avoid the disaster, or is it too late?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Isn't your work in vain if Christ has already returned?
If you are wrong, you are simply adding another "I'm right, your wrong" denomination to Christianity and accelerating its demise.

I find the coming ' time of separation ' (Matthew 25:31-33,37,40) is still ahead of us, so that means Christ has Not yet ' returned '. Jesus' glory time is still ahead of us.

Corrupted Christendom (apostate Christianity) will Not collapse or demise on its own.
The political 'powers that be' will suddenly turn on her.
Perhaps the wealth the churches have amassed could look easy for the taking.
Whether or not, troublesome Christendom will be taken out of the way by the political world.
In the past, God used the political/military might (Babylon, and the Roman armies in the year 70) to act as God's Arm of the Law. So, it should be No surprise that will happen again to an unfaithful Christendom.
 
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