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God's Great Failure

Skwim

Veteran Member
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In the beginning god created man.

In time god became disgusted with how man turned out and, with the exception of eight of individuals, killed everyone.

As time went on and mankind repopulated the earth it's been argued that mankind has turned out to be no better than before the great killing.


If you agree with the three premises:

1) Why do you think god, being omniscient, simply didn't dispense with:
a) his great killing and let mankind go on as it was?
b) saving the eight individuals, and simply let everyone die?
2) Does his failure in trying to reestablish a better mankind compromise his divinity?

3) How do you think god feels about his failure?

If you don't agree with the three premises:

1) what is it you don't agree with?


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Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
By "his great killing", you mean the Flood, right?

How do you interpret Genesis 6:1-4? Who are these "sons of God"? They wanted women, "all whom they chose"!

The actual events detailed here, are directly related to the mythologies of Ancient Greece and Rome (gods having sex with human females, and producing hybrid offspring: the Nephilim)...these mythologies were formulated by descendants of the Flood survivors, who were told about these inhumane conditions that existed prior to the Flood.

It's the only time, in Bible Chronology, when God did interfere on a global scale. We should be thankful the human race was preserved.

Assuming THE FLOOD Did Happen . . .
 
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frbnsn

Member
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In the beginning god created man.

In time god became disgusted with how man turned out and, with the exception of eight of individuals, killed everyone.

As time went on and mankind repopulated the earth it's been argued that mankind has turned out to be no better than before the great killing.


Dear skwim,

God doesn't kill, nor give up, He/She is Omniscient, compassionate to His/her human, by the way in the beginnig was no man.
I, as a muslim believing to Qur'an, don't accept the narration up.



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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
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In the beginning god created man.

In time god became disgusted with how man turned out and, with the exception of eight of individuals, killed everyone.

Since the intervention of spirit beings took the human race into an accelerated level of wickedness way too soon, there was only one way to slow things down and take them back to a manageable state. It wasn't that God didn't give the people ample time to listen to Noah's message and get on board the ark with the only family who were not taken over by the world of that time. Noah preached to the people for the whole time he was constructing the vessel that would save them.

According to the apostle Peter, people in the time of the end would again be faced with a similar situation as Noah was. The earth is again filled with violence.

He said...."For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water. 7 But by the same word the heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people." (2 Peter 3:5-7; Matthew 24:37-39)

History repeats....we know why.

As time went on and mankind repopulated the earth it's been argued that mankind has turned out to be no better than before the great killing.

As time went on the human race did repopulate the area where they lived. But within a few generations sin had again taken over the human family. This time it was an ambitious man named Nimrod. He was the first human to organize others and to build cities and to make a name for himself by opposing God.. (Genesis 10:8-10) He also built a famous tower, thought to be a ziggurat in direct disobedience to God's command for humans to spread out in the earth. (Genesis 11:1-9)

The flood was a stop-gap measure because it did not solve the problem of sin among the human race. But it put God's timetable back on track......it still had a long way to go.


If you agree with the three premises:
1) Why do you think god, being omniscient, simply didn't dispense with:
a) his great killing and let mankind go on as it was?
b) saving the eight individuals, and simply let everyone die?​

Understanding what motivated God to bring the flood is important. First of all angelic creatures had materialized human bodies and had mated with human women and produced a hybrid race of freakish giants, (Nephilim) who basically had filled the earth with their violent behavior. God had to bring an end to it.But in doing so he set up examples that could be drawn upon later. (2 Peter 2:5-6)

The flood accomplished two things...it halted the rampant wickedness and because all life outside the ark perished, the giants were eliminated from existence and their errant fathers were forced back to the spirit realm.

Noah and his family had to work for their own salvation....God did not save them, but showed them how to save themselves. By their obedience they survived. There is a lesson in that for us too.
2) Does his failure in trying to reestablish a better mankind compromise his divinity?

Since this was not his aim, it was not a failure. It resulted in exactly what he intended. His purpose was back on track and the demon angels were no longer able to materialize.

3) How do you think god feels about his failure?

There was no failure. You have interpreted it the wrong way.
If you don't agree with the three premises:

1) what is it you don't agree with?​
Your premise is all wrong. Again you fail to comprehend the reasons behind God's actions or how it relates to his overall purpose. God does not act, but responds to the situation in an appropriate way in order to fulfill his purpose.

 

Woberts

The Perfumed Seneschal
Funny how mass murder is ok if god does it. Or if they do it.
Then they turn around and say "we're the nice guys here!"
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
If you agree with the three premises:

1) Why do you think god, being omniscient, simply didn't dispense with:
a) his great killing and let mankind go on as it was?

The penalty for sin is death.

b) saving the eight individuals, and simply let everyone die?

He needs to replace His Kingdom, the third of the angels taken by Lucifer.

2) Does his failure in trying to reestablish a better mankind compromise his divinity?

No. It's the erroneous understanding of his divinity that is compromised here. You are confusing "failure" with His great patience for the objects of his wrath. As He has said:

"My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."​

3) How do you think god feels about his failure?

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.​

If you don't agree with the three premises:

1) what is it you don't agree with?

It's like asking if God could make a planet somewhere far out in the universe where all the lost could go to live instead of being annihilated with fire on judgement day. Lucifer, his demons and all the unrighteous humans could go there to live.

But this is God's deal we are in. Leave room for God’s wrath. For it is written: “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord.” The penalty for sin is death. Sin is transgression of God's law.

People have made their choices and will have to pay the price for what they have done while in the body. Some will be beaten with few stripes, some with many stripes. The wages for sin is death. And God's justice will be accomplished.

And the righteous will enjoy a sin free universe.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
The penalty for sin is death.



He needs to replace His Kingdom, the third of the angels taken by Lucifer.



No. It's the erroneous understanding of his divinity that is compromised here. You are confusing "failure" with His great patience for the objects of his wrath. As He has said:

"My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."​



"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.​



It's like asking if God could make a planet somewhere far out in the universe where all the lost could go to live instead of being annihilated with fire on judgement day. Lucifer, his demons and all the unrighteous humans could go there to live.

But this is God's deal we are in. Leave room for God’s wrath. For it is written: “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord.” The penalty for sin is death. Sin is transgression of God's law.

People have made their choices and will have to pay the price for what they have done while in the body. Some will be beaten with few stripes, some with many stripes. The wages for sin is death. And God's justice will be accomplished.

And the righteous will enjoy a sin free universe.
Gotta say, if any of your replies made sense I'd address them, but in as much as they don't . . . . . . . . .

In any case, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. :thumbsup:

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Dave Watchman

Active Member
Gotta say, if any of your replies made sense I'd address them, but in as much as they don't . . . . . . . . .

In any case, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. :thumbsup:

You're welcome.

And, i'll take another look at them on the weekend if i get time.

I'll retry the little question one more time.

But why save the 8?

b) saving the eight individuals, and simply let everyone die?

Because it's like Joni Mitchel once said: "We are caught up in the devil's bargain.

The dragon's tail cast a third of the stars angels to the earth. Jesus went there to prepare a place for us. There's a vacancy in the Father's House to fill. 3 might be company but 8 is NOT enough. I don't know what the number is, but if we had enough, we would be there already. Back to the garden.

Should i try to do some more?
25 or 6 to four.

We are stardust, we are golden,
We are caught up in the devil's bargain,
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden.
 
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