Tumah
Veteran Member
Never mind. I should have known not to set my expectations to high after debating other Muslims here. My mistake.
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Muhammad in the Bible
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AdamRaja
Islamic Philosopher
Look down on all Muslims that's fine. Says more about you then you did about me. God Bless.
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paarsurrey
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That is good advice.
The Message of Islam is indeed fortold by both the Torah and New Testament.
If people reject this is the case, the rejection is for all scriptures, as all Prophets and Mesengers have come in the same clouds. None have fitted the expectations of the peoples and how they see scripture.
Regards Tony
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
I would very much like to see that proof the Message of Islam is indeed fortold by both the Torah and New Testament.
Where exactly is this written at.
Daniel and Revelation
Where Times times and half a time, or 3 & 1/2 years, or 42 months, or 1260 days are mentioned, it is talking about the Dispensation of Muhammad called Islam. That it would give Prophecy for a period of 1260 years.
Knowing this, the Metephor will fit to history.
Regards Tony
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Good luck on that one.
Well, lucky it did happened as foretold, if that is the luck you talk about. Mostly we make our own luck by our own efforts.
Gary Player a great South African golfer finished a tournament in Australia with a record breaking round. The reporter said to him, 'that was a lucky round'. Gary Player said, funny the more I practice, the luckier I get".
I wish for you all that can be seen and the luck will be yours.
Edit; Do you know the year 1844 is also the year 1260. Google the expectation of Christs return for 1844.
Regards Tony
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Nope not at all, seeing
Daniel chapters 7&12 and Revelation is about the Tribulation. Which is still future from us. So it's impossible for it to had already happen.
That is your choice. In the History of Religion and how they have all started in this world, there has been no outward miraculous fireworks display to herald a cause.
The miracle is the change of heart.
To expect ones own expectations will undold is repeating the mistakes of the past and also a warning we need to heed from scriptures, this being worthy of thought;
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Regards Tony
Faithofchristian
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Luke 6:46--"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?)
Who is the Judge of that?
Psalm 75:7"But God is the Judge; He puts down one and exalts another."
Regards Tony
Where is Islam foretold in the torah and new testament exactly?.
rosends
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This is not exactly true. You are starting with an English word which is chosen to translate a Greek word. But the biblical text that the OP started with (raising a prophet from among your brethren, from Deut.) was written in Hebrew. The word is "navi" and it has specific etymological and theological roots and implications, and isn't about predicting the future, at least not in Judaism, and it was within that construct that the verse was delivered so it would be prudent to consider the word from inside that set of meanings instead of imposing external expectations on it and trying to apply it based on those external understandings.
OK you can't answer but I'll look.
I understand. But don't forget that the Septuagint was translated by Jewish scholars (the best of the best apparently) hired by Ptolemy, so if they translated Navi' with the word προφήτην (read. profitin) in Deut 18:18 ..it's not my fault.
whirlingmerc
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actually the apostles did apply it to Jesus. this portion of acts is a direct quote from that passage
Acts 3:23 English Standard Version (ESV)
23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’