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What will Abraham do if he returns to life? Will he believe in the Trinity

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Just to clarify
Who is "we" in the Quran
the answer
https://www.quora.com/Who-is-we-in-the-Quran

Islam is a strictly monotheistic religion. It believes in and adheres to uncompromising monotheism. It believes that God is one, and unique in His attributes. In the Quran, God often refers to Himself using the word ‘We’. But this does not mean that Islam believes in the existence of more than one God.

In several languages, there are two types of plurals, one is a plural of numbers to refer to something that occurs in a quantity of more than one. The other plural is a plural of respect.

a. In the English language, the Queen of England refers to herself as ‘We’ instead of ‘I’. This is known as the ‘royal plural’.

b. Rajiv Gandhi, the ex-Prime Minister of India used to say in Hindi "Hum dekhna chahte hain". "We want to see." ‘Hum’ means ‘We’ which is again a royal plural in Hindi.

c. Similarly in Arabic, when God refers to Himself in the Quran, He often uses Arabic word 'Nahnu' meaning ‘We’. It does not indicate plural of number but plural of respect. Tawheed or monotheism is one of the pillars of Islam. The existence and uniqueness of one and only one God is mentioned several times in the Quran. For instance in Surah Ikhlas, it says : "Say He is God the One and Only." [Al-Qur’an 112: 1]

There are many words in the Qur'an that refer to one

Is there a word we are in the Old Testament ?

Is it possible that in this phrase, the game plays a role in re-understanding the nature of Jesus ?

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Genesis 1:26 Then God said "Lets us make God in our image." Angels do not create.

Genesis 3:22 " Then God, the Lord God said, behold the the man has become like one of us................"

Genesis 11:17 " Come let us go down" and confuse their language............................

Psalm 45:6-7 " Your throne oh God (YHWH) is for ever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom 7 You have loved righteousness , and hated wickedness; Therefore God (YHWH), your God (YHWH), has anointed you"

There are others, I will try and post them when I have time.,
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I apologize for the inconvenience I am not in the purpose of targeting
But in the purpose of truly understanding the events and I want to come out with an outcome and an intellectual benefit

Expected dialogue
Abraham prophet will say to the Lord
Why did you embarrass me with the people whom I call to worship God without the Trinity

The Lord will say, who said there is a Trinity ?


now the question
What you want to say is that the peoples who believed in God without the Trinity and migrated to different areas and then moved and returned and saw that God trinity

This will make the all prophets liars before Jesus

Because it shows that the ex-prophets were trying to convince people of sinful worship

It is inappropriate for God to make the prophets wrong in their message

Can ordinary laws change because of climate change or evolution of generations but because of the evolution of God?
Change in basic laws

This is the most important part I am trying to decipher to understand Christianity

With all due respect and appreciation
I want to know until I learn
We want to share. The subject is important to me as a student of theology :)
Abraham is already alive and believes in Jesus.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Abraham is the spiritual father of the sons of Ishmael and the sons of (Isaac) and Israel. He must give accurate information, especially since he transferred Ismail to Mecca. This would make it difficult for the son of Ismail to accept the Christian religion if the the major law of divinity became different. Especially in the commandments of Abraham to Ishmael and Isaac before his death
God is keen that the family of Ishaq Ishmael be friendly and harmonious because they are sons of Abraham
So we always strive to be generous together (^_^)
GOD bless you
:)amen

I find God's promise to father 'Abraham and Sarah' as found at Genesis 21:12; Genesis 17:16 is that the 'promised seed' (Messiah) of Genesis 3:15 would come through son 'Isaac'.
So, to me it would make it difficult for the son (descendants) of Issac (literal and spiritual) to accept the ' so-called ' Christian religion if the major law of divinity became different.
So, after the first century ended apostate Christianity (Christendom) began.
Christendom (so-called Christian but mostly 'in name only') began and teaches mostly church traditions or church customs as being Scripture when really Not Scripture. That is why ' house ' cleaning will begin with the ' House of God '.
Genuine ' wheat ' Christians would Not only strive to be generous together, but to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has as found at John 13:34-35.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Is there a word we are in the Old Testament ?
Is it possible that in this phrase, the game plays a role in re-understanding the nature of Jesus ?
The word ' we ' is Not used at Genesis 1:26, but the word ' us ' is used in connection to God and another.
Revelation 3:14 B lets us know the pre-human heavenly Jesus was the beginning of the creation by God.
So, only God was before the beginning, and Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
That is why the word Creator is always in the singular - Revelation 4:11.
God as the Creator thus took his Son (Jesus) in expanding the business of creation.
That does Not make Jesus as a co-creator but a master worker for his Father.
So, the nature of Jesus is the image of God as stated at Colossians 1:15
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
That doesn't make sense to me. God is "Creator"... Satan is a fallen angel -one of Gods creations.

Jacob and Esau twins of the same father, but one was counted as righteous while the other son went astray.
So, as the same parents can have more than on child and each child chooses by using his free-will choices.
So, like us, angelic sons have the ability to freely choose to act responsibly toward God or not.
I find each one is drawn out by one's own desires as per James 1:13-15.
Satan chose that we humans should worship him instead of his God by disobeying God.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Nobody has *the fullness of truth*. God never has revealed every detail of every thing... We're likely being spoon-fed, one bite at a time.

'one bite at a time' until the perfect time of Proverbs 4:18.
Daniel knew details would Not be revealed until 'our time' as Daniel mentions at Daniel 12:4; Daniel 12:9.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I apologize for the inconvenience I am not in the purpose of targeting
But in the purpose of truly understanding the events and I want to come out with an outcome and an intellectual benefit

Expected dialogue
Abraham prophet will say to the Lord
Why did you embarrass me with the people whom I call to worship God without the Trinity

The Lord will say, who said there is a Trinity ?


now the question
What you want to say is that the peoples who believed in God without the Trinity and migrated to different areas and then moved and returned and saw that God trinity

This will make the all prophets liars before Jesus

Because it shows that the ex-prophets were trying to convince people of sinful worship

It is inappropriate for God to make the prophets wrong in their message

Can ordinary laws change because of climate change or evolution of generations but because of the evolution of God?
Change in basic laws

This is the most important part I am trying to decipher to understand Christianity

With all due respect and appreciation
I want to know until I learn
We want to share. The subject is important to me as a student of theology :)

First to answer your question, why of course Abraham will believe in the trinity, seeing Abraham already believe in the trinity.

Are you sure, thats what you want to know, because in the nature of what your saying, is that your looking for something, that you can use against those who believe in the Trinity. It's not hard to see what you really are after, instead of your coming right out and asking what makes people believe in the trinity, you beat around the bush, and not just come out and just plainly ask
 
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j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
First to answer your question, why of course Abraham will believe in the trinity, seeing Abraham already believe in the trinity.

Are you sure, thats what you want to know, because in the nature of what your saying, is that your looking for something, that you can use against those who believe in the Trinity. It's not hard to see what you really are after, instead of your coming right out and asking what makes people believe in the trinity, you beat around the bush, and not just come out and just plainly ask

'one bite at a time' until the perfect time of Proverbs 4:18.
Daniel knew details would Not be revealed until 'our time' as Daniel mentions at Daniel 12:4; Daniel 12:9.

Abraham is already alive and believes in Jesus.


Genesis 1:26 Then God said "Lets us make God in our image." Angels do not create.

Genesis 3:22 " Then God, the Lord God said, behold the the man has become like one of us................"

Genesis 11:17 " Come let us go down" and confuse their language............................

Psalm 45:6-7 " Your throne oh God (YHWH) is for ever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom 7 You have loved righteousness , and hated wickedness; Therefore God (YHWH), your God (YHWH), has anointed you"

There are others, I will try and post them when I have time.,


In your belief can it oppose God or have real effect in the world?



Thank you for sharing
I am very happy for my brothers on the high-end conversation
Wishing you all success and success
I want share this to understand muslims also
Even in Islam they believe that he lives in the seventh heaven but died of his vital death, the separation of the soul from the body
Moses in the sixth heaven
Aaron in the fifth heaven
Idris in the fourth heaven
Joseph in the third heaven
John the Baptist And Jesus in the second heaven
adam in the first heaven
and we in ground heaven in first

When the Prophet Muhammad was defeated on a horse of lightning (Buraq)


Buraq - Wikipedia

He went to meet God
God commanded him to pray 50 prayers every day
And when he came down, the prophet Moses saw him in the sixth heaven, and said to him,
How much prayer may Allah have commanded you to pray?
He said fifty
He said, "Go back to God and ask him to ease it, because the children of Israel have not afford fifty prayers."
when muhamed return back
God said to him forty prayers
He came back and saw Moses and said, Go back to God, and ask him to ease
So even the Prophet said I felt ashamed
In the latter God said to Muhammad
Five prayers in which fifty prayers are paid

Moses helped us ease the amount of prayers
Only God was the Merciful who made Moses speak

I told you this because the Prophet Muhammad met the Prophet Jesus in the hadiths of the second heaven
The Messenger of Allah in the second heaven
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Then he ascended to me until the second heaven came,
Gabriel wanted to open the gate, and they said: Who is this?
He said, Gabriel is Muhammad, and they said, Is he sent in his request? He said yes
They said hello to him and blessings


The Messenger of Allah peace be upon him entered with Gabriel to the second heaven!
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "When I concluded that Yahya and 'Issa, the sons of the aunt, said:' This is Yahya and 'Issa.

Yahya = John the Baptist
'Issa =Jesus

And this is the only heaven where the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him two of the prophets at once, and I feel that the presence of Yahya peace be upon him here was a kind of tribute to Jesus peace be upon him; where God honored him accompanied by a noble prophet, close to his heart, and familiar to him and loved , And lived with him on earth for a period of time, the cousin of Yahya peace be upon him.

But it was clear that the meaning of the meeting with the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him is Jesus, peace be upon him in particular, and it was stated in another novel that the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him asked about Jesus specifically; the Prophet peace be upon him and then passed on to Jesus said Welcome to the Good Brother and the Good Prophet. I said: Who is this? He said: This is Isa

There are many conversations of the Prophet Muhammad describing the form of Jesus peace be upon him
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
Your manners are nice, but what you are doing is clear.

thank you brother
I appreciate your kind feelings
I am a limited life cycle
My involvement of emotions is not a promotional tool
I want to share people
I believe that Jesus is not God in many mathematical ways and the Bible but I do not want to enter into a futile argument
I use the style of enlightenment and signal until we pick up ideas
I want to have knowledge and understand the feelings of others
He apologized for the inconvenience

with respect
Almost everyone knows how much pain I feel because of knowing the facts

I am speaking of pain
Not because of desire

GOD bless you
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Thank you for sharing
I am very happy for my brothers on the high-end conversation
Wishing you all success and success
I want share this to understand muslims also
Even in Islam they believe that he lives in the seventh heaven but died of his vital death, the separation of the soul from the body
Moses in the sixth heaven
Aaron in the fifth heaven
Idris in the fourth heaven
Joseph in the third heaven
John the Baptist And Jesus in the second heaven
adam in the first heaven
and we in ground heaven in first

When the Prophet Muhammad was defeated on a horse of lightning (Buraq)


Buraq - Wikipedia

He went to meet God
God commanded him to pray 50 prayers every day
And when he came down, the prophet Moses saw him in the sixth heaven, and said to him,
How much prayer may Allah have commanded you to pray?
He said fifty
He said, "Go back to God and ask him to ease it, because the children of Israel have not afford fifty prayers."
when muhamed return back
God said to him forty prayers
He came back and saw Moses and said, Go back to God, and ask him to ease
So even the Prophet said I felt ashamed
In the latter God said to Muhammad
Five prayers in which fifty prayers are paid

Moses helped us ease the amount of prayers
Only God was the Merciful who made Moses speak

I told you this because the Prophet Muhammad met the Prophet Jesus in the hadiths of the second heaven
The Messenger of Allah in the second heaven
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Then he ascended to me until the second heaven came,
Gabriel wanted to open the gate, and they said: Who is this?
He said, Gabriel is Muhammad, and they said, Is he sent in his request? He said yes
They said hello to him and blessings


The Messenger of Allah peace be upon him entered with Gabriel to the second heaven!
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "When I concluded that Yahya and 'Issa, the sons of the aunt, said:' This is Yahya and 'Issa.

Yahya = John the Baptist
'Issa =Jesus

And this is the only heaven where the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him two of the prophets at once, and I feel that the presence of Yahya peace be upon him here was a kind of tribute to Jesus peace be upon him; where God honored him accompanied by a noble prophet, close to his heart, and familiar to him and loved , And lived with him on earth for a period of time, the cousin of Yahya peace be upon him.

But it was clear that the meaning of the meeting with the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him is Jesus, peace be upon him in particular, and it was stated in another novel that the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him asked about Jesus specifically; the Prophet peace be upon him and then passed on to Jesus said Welcome to the Good Brother and the Good Prophet. I said: Who is this? He said: This is Isa

There are many conversations of the Prophet Muhammad describing the form of Jesus peace be upon him
Of course Muslims and Christians have serious theological differences. We have a serious cultural divide because of our faith. Nevertheless it is a universal right to be able to worship God as you choose and the resultant culture us a matter of choice as well. As long as one faith does not attempt to dominate the other, but can live in peaceful co existence, all is as it should be.

I highly commend you for your attitude, your serious questions, your humble and kind approach.

This forum needs more like you from all faiths.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
John the Baptist And Jesus in the second heaven
adam in the first heaven

I find according to Scripture that John the Baptist is Not in heaven according to Matthew 11:11.
Adam I find 'returned' (not to any heaven) but to the dust of the ground as per Genesis 3:19.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before. Adam went back to where he started - the dust.
Just as King David did Not ascend according to Acts of the Apostles 2:34 nor did anyone else who died before Jesus.
ALL who died 'before' Jesus' died are still awaiting a resurrection as per John 3:13. That also includes Abraham.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I wonder how father Abraham is already alive when ALL who died before Jesus died are Not yet alive - John 3:13.
Even John the Baptist (Matthew 11:11) King David (Acts of the Apostles 2:34) and Daniel 12:13 are Not yet alive.
We'll let Jesus answer you here.

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
Of course Muslims and Christians have serious theological differences. We have a serious cultural divide because of our faith. Nevertheless it is a universal right to be able to worship God as you choose and the resultant culture us a matter of choice as well. As long as one faith does not attempt to dominate the other, but can live in peaceful co existence, all is as it should be.

I highly commend you for your attitude, your serious questions, your humble and kind approach.

This forum needs more like you from all faiths.

I thank you my brother from the bottom of my heart for the honorable words
This is my pleasure
Good dialogue and exchange of information is a human act of understanding
True I am not here to encourage the change of faith
On the contrary, I am good for everyone
Every day I say this supplication
I say: Oh God, guide your servants and reward them from your torment

with respect (^_^)
GOD bless you amen
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
We'll let Jesus answer you here.

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
I find according to Scripture that John the Baptist is Not in heaven according to Matthew 11:11.
Adam I find 'returned' (not to any heaven) but to the dust of the ground as per Genesis 3:19.
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before. Adam went back to where he started - the dust.
Just as King David did Not ascend according to Acts of the Apostles 2:34 nor did anyone else who died before Jesus.
ALL who died 'before' Jesus' died are still awaiting a resurrection as per John 3:13. That also includes Abraham.

Thank you brother for sharing this important information that you have read
I am glad that I am welcome and have a positive participation in the exchange of information

Yeah
The death of creatures is the right of God to all
But the traditional death is the separation of spirit from the body
The presence of Jesus in the second heaven is not his humiliation
But willing to go to the earth to spread justice

According to the signs in the Islamic religion
Jesus is very close to going down
google
hour signs in islam
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
But the traditional death is the separation of spirit from the body

The presence of Jesus in the second heaven is not his humiliation
But willing to go to the earth to spread justice
According to the signs in the Islamic religion
Jesus is very close to going down
google
hour signs in islam

There is a verse I find at Ecclesiastes 3:21 that people use to mean the separation of spirit from the body.
However, at the above verse at Ecclesiastes 3:20 it says ALL go to one place..... to dust again.
So, like father Adam we arrive back where we started the dust of the ground.
At death the spirit of life left Adam. Like an unplugged fan that slowly dies down until it stops.
There is No more life's force, so to speak, in the fan. The spark of life goes out. Goes out like a burned-out light bulb.
One's 'spirit ' can go back to God in the sense that a house with a foreclosure goes back to the owner.
The house does Not move or go anywhere, but ownership of the house is now in the hands of the owner.
So, our life's spirit is now in the hands of the Owner, meaning now in the hands of God.
So, any future life prospect (resurrection) lies in God's safe hands.
To me that means when one is resurrected than at that time the 'spirit of life' animates the person, not before.
 
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