Now the concentration camps!!

Audie · Nov 2, 2018

Lyndon said:
Meanwhile in China a return to the old days of concentration camp re-education centres

China rapidly expanding internment camps for Muslims, report says

I see you are in "occupied" part of "Mexico".

Why is it part of Mexico? If you give it back, they
have to give it back to the Spanish who have to
give it back to the Indians.

Are you living on stolen land? If you own a house,
you better give the land to the first Indian you can find.

Audie · Nov 2, 2018

George-ananda said:
I don't see any meaningful comparison. Jews were forced from their homes and forced to go to concentration camps. These immigrants are choosing to leave their homes and choosing to enter America.

Of course it is not comparable. Hysterical leftist
nonsense, now that, there is a comparison there.

Audie · Nov 2, 2018

BSM1 said:
I guess they could all come over to your house....

Cant. The house is on land stolen from someone,
so it has to be given back to whoever.

Audie · Nov 2, 2018

Lyndon said:
what a heartless response!! and actually many American businesses do want immigrant labour, they're hardly unwelcome in much of the USA

Is your home full of the homeless and the immigrant?

IF NOT, you do not get to preach about "heartless".

Audie · Nov 2, 2018

George-ananda said:
I am pro legal immigration but against illegal immigration.

I am a legal immigrant. I have a lot of relatives who are
waiting, waiting for their turn that may never come.

Heartless and brainless is an immigration "Policy" that
favours those who just run past the border guards.

ADigitalArtist · Nov 2, 2018

As an aside, today Twitter had to apologize because the automatic analytics allowed 'Kill All Jews' to become trending after it was reposted by thousands and thousands of people. This, coupled with recent violence makes me say this with utmost confidence:
If you think the current administration hasn't galvanized actual, 100%, honest to God Nazi, you need to pull your head out of the sand.

ADigitalArtist · Nov 2, 2018

Audie said:
I am a legal immigrant. I have a lot of relatives who are
waiting, waiting for their turn that may never come.

Heartless and brainless is an immigration "Policy" that
favours those who just run past the border guards.

In what way does the process for gaining asylum slow down completely unrelated immigration processes? Are we actually seeing this in countries who have actually stuck their ****ing neck out like decent human beings for Syrian and Central American refugees as of late?

Shad · Nov 2, 2018

9-10ths_Penguin said:
You are a country of laws; one of those laws says things like this:

The executive branch is using National Security laws which override whatever the UN and US refugee laws state. It is a farce but that is how refugee laws are being ignored.

Twilight Hue · Nov 2, 2018

9-10ths_Penguin said:
A concentration camp is not necessarily a death camp. These are concentration camps in the same sense as how the word has been used historically, e.g. by the British in the Boer War or by the Spanish in Cuba.

Concentration Camps Existed Long Before Auschwitz | History | Smithsonian

While I agree with it. There's no mistaking the numerous Nazi references made already when talking/debating about this subject.

SkepticThinker said:
Who's breaking the law?

Ah. The "dumb" approach. Like it happens to be just an extra busy day at the immigration office.

Twilight Hue · Nov 2, 2018

ADigitalArtist said:
In what way does the process for gaining asylum slow down completely unrelated immigration processes? Are we actually seeing this in countries who have actually stuck their ****ing neck out like decent human beings for Syrian and Central American refugees as of late?

Maybe we should go down to Honduras and bomb the hell out of them and create a safe country for them to go back to.

Audie · Nov 2, 2018

ADigitalArtist said:
In what way does the process for gaining asylum slow down completely unrelated immigration processes? Are we actually seeing this in countries who have actually stuck their ****ing neck out like decent human beings for Syrian and Central American refugees as of late?

REFUGEE is not an absolute condition, no degrees of urgency
or need.

Why not send some cruise ships to Yemen, or divers sites along
the N coast of Africa? Go to Bangaladasn, oad up with Rohinga.

They could use some asylum. It would only be decent.

Those moslems that cant get along in China, i bet they'd
sent them all. We could build up our cities to look likr
the Walled City of Kowloon.

Let EVERYONE with a claim come, send boats, build railroads
for them!

Where are the limits, whats the end game?

Everything about immigration, legsl, illegal, criminal, economic
refugee, asylum seekers real or not, it is one big insane
broken mess.

ADigitalArtist · Nov 2, 2018

Nowhere Man said:
Maybe we should go down to Honduras and bomb the hell out of them and create a safe country for them to go back to.

9.85 out of 10 times the US has overthrown a government and did our 'nation building' we think we're so much better at than we are...we invariably make things worse. I'd much rather focus on humanitarian efforts than pure military efforts.

ADigitalArtist · Nov 2, 2018

Audie said:
REFUGEE is not an absolute condition, no degrees of urgency
or need.

Why not send some cruise ships to Yemen, or divers sites along
the N coast of Africa? Go to Bangaladasn, oad up with Rohinga.

They could use some asylum. It would only be decent.

Those moslems that cant get along in China, i bet they'd
sent them all. We could build up our cities to look likr
the Walled City of Kowloon.

Let EVERYONE with a claim come, send boats, build railroads
for them!

Where are the limits, whats the end game?

Everything about immigration, legsl, illegal, criminal, economic
refugee, asylum seekers real or not, it is one big insane
broken mess.

Not to beat a dead horse but this is literally what we say every time we let ANYONE in. And I keep bringing up Irish because I so recently did a bunch of research on the topic but man... It's the same thing. 'They should go somewhere else! Why do we have to take them? They can live somewhere else! Is what they're going through really so bad?' This can be used at any time by anyone to try and shove anyone who needs help away from the front door. Despite that they cannot show me that there's some resource allocation crisis or that these people are not 'really' in need.

Audie · Nov 2, 2018

ADigitalArtist said:
Not to beat a dead horse but this is literally what we say every time we let ANYONE in. And I keep bringing up Irish because I so recently did a bunch of research on the topic but man... It's the same thing. 'They should go somewhere else! Why do we have to take them? They can live somewhere else! Is what they're going through really so bad?' This can be used at any time by anyone to try and shove anyone who needs help away from the front door. Despite that they cannot show me that there's some resource allocation crisis or that these people are not 'really' in need.

Well, we is talking past eachother, lets quit.

Friends?

Audie · Nov 2, 2018

ADigitalArtist said:
9.85 out of 10 times the US has overthrown a government and did our 'nation building' we think we're so much better at than we are...we invariably make things worse. I'd much rather focus on humanitarian efforts than pure military efforts.

Yup.

As for C. America, US militsry / political intervention for
United Fruit, and the insatiable demand for drugs has been
destructive beyond all calculation. The USA created these
refugees.

Tiapan · Nov 2, 2018

Australia and Europe have in recent times been inundated with illegal immigrants arriving BY SEA.
This is different to the current "caravans" about to reach the USA from dysfunctional central America BY LAND.
Associated with arrival by sea is the far more devastating humanitarian disaster of loss of life at sea.
It was this massive loss of life at sea that pushed Australia to setup the deterrent, dententration camps of Manis Islands and Naru.
Once offshore detention was introduced the boats and deaths at sea virtually stopped.
As terrible as this system is, it worked, and will continue until some more humanitarian solution is found.
Because of this policy, thousands of lives have NOT been lost at SEA.
Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
This poor group of desperate people is often the political football used to win elections, as really by far, the largest number of illegal immigrants arrive on a jet.
see
BOAT ARRIVALS TO AUSTRALIA AND TURNBACKS
Statistics

Cheers

Milton Platt · Nov 2, 2018

Lyndon said:
People brushing off Trumps comparison to Hitler are in for a new surprise, massive tent city concentration camps to detain immigrant asylum seekers at the US border, What an evil man he is.

Trump says he will hold asylum-seekers from Central America in massive tent cities

I am no fan of either Trump or tent cities, but where would you have them stay while being processed?

Twilight Hue · Nov 2, 2018

ADigitalArtist said:
9.85 out of 10 times the US has overthrown a government and did our 'nation building' we think we're so much better at than we are...we invariably make things worse. I'd much rather focus on humanitarian efforts than pure military efforts.

So would appear Honduras isn't that bad yet.

ADigitalArtist · Nov 3, 2018

Nowhere Man said:
So would appear Honduras isn't that bad yet.

There is a big span between bad and the worst it can get. Maybe instead of assuming it's not bad because you dont want them here, you should actually look at their experiences.

ADigitalArtist · Nov 3, 2018

BSM1 said:
Actually, those seeking "asylum" are legally required to accept the asylum from the first free country they enter, then they can apply for entry into another country. Mexico offered such asylum and it was refused. These people are not seeking "asylum", they're looking for the freebies found in the US.

I just caught this. This is actually untrue. A false talking point spread by the right. There is no such legal requirement.

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