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I believe for a demonstrable fact you would have had to be there to witness it.
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The Creation of Religion
- Thread starter AdamRaja
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I believe for a demonstrable fact you would have had to be there to witness it.
Audie
Veteran Member
Witness what, a flood not happening?
So if someone claimed that NYC disappeared
yesterday,but is back today, well....
you were not there, so.
Believe as you like, but it is an absurd position to take.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
By what methodology or epistemology do you evaluate the truth of the Quran? Independently of referencing the Quran, of course.
AdamRaja
Islamic Philosopher
No need to bash my religion. Lets be adults. Thanks
AdamRaja
Islamic Philosopher
Everything. Everywhere.
AdamRaja
Islamic Philosopher
Are you the ultimate judge that gets to decide if an opinion is absurd or not? Wow, what a job.
Do you find enjoyment from sitting on your high horse looking down at everyone thinking you know more than them.
I was once like you.. Why come to religious forums if your not religious? Why poke fun at everyone you think is wrong?
AdamRaja
Islamic Philosopher
Nice! Cool response. Thanks for the feedback!
science knows that beliefs systems, religions, are created from cultural differences. cultural differences are created from environmental differences.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from whence he was taken.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
Do you find your confirmation is an objective method or something mainly applicable to yourself or those who happen to agree? If I may ask?
I appreciate your curiousity here regarding others views...but in the ever-popular debates forums we like to get into a little more back and forth discussion.
Audie
Veteran Member
My what a mash of nonsense. Why post if your
best it to make things up? And no, you, not a chance
you were "like me".
AdamRaja
Islamic Philosopher
Wow, you are that good you couldn't even think for a second I could be like you?
Wish I had it all figured out.
Audie
Veteran Member
"Could be" and "were" are not the same thing,
Obi.
You've figured out how to make things up,
aint that good enough for ya?
Now here is what I will do. I will ignore you,
and you are invited to go forth and do likewise.
Deal?
AdamRaja
Islamic Philosopher
That is enough to prove there is a God right there. Thank you!
Audie
Veteran Member
haha. Try to get the last word with a woman will ya.
That you not tax yourself with the futile, I will move you
to "ig" now.
But, yeah, thanks, that is just the kind of "proof"
that you guys come up with.
Being first does not mean being better. The first physicists were completely wrong, for instance.
And religion is probably a natural adaptation of our brains. It is a useful cognitive misfire, so to speak. For instance, believing that there are agents when there are none, provides survival advantages. And that is why that property has been naturally selected, probably.
Ciao
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AdamRaja
Islamic Philosopher
Right on. Thanks!
There may be a few factors.
One is grieving (also found in other animals) and burial or body-disposal rituals. Going way back, chiefs were buried (&c) with special honors and material possessions, suggesting that the dead are not thought of as merely memories.
Another is good luck, such as a hunter, a fisherman, a woman in childbirth, a sailor, a warrior facing battle, might need, and wish to call on. When I drove a cab in my student days, I found myself saying 'Thanks' to the air when the cards fell for me; which brings to mind DG Rosetti's dictum that the worst moment for the atheist is when he's feeling thankful and has no one to thank.
A third is the explanation of natural phenomena, like thunder and lightning as mentioned by others. The attribution of natural disasters (and military defeats) to the displeasure of the gods goes back a long way too. It may be a convenient way to make emotional sense of the unknown and the incomprehensible.
And a fourth is enhancing the coherence of the tribe by sharing a common fund of stories (and related rituals, dances, songs, recitals &c) about divine favors, divine or heroic ancestors, funny stories, just-so stories, and so on. In the Tanakh the 'shibboleth' story (Judges 12) is a reflection of this, knowing your friends by language and accent.
And I almost forgot the need of a professional priest class to keep busy and protect their position.
Dell
Asteroid insurance?
Religion was the precursor to science. It was developed by man trying to understand the meaning of life and universe. Most all religions started and excelled when there was virtually no scientific understanding of anything. As science developed so has the enlightenment of meaning of life and universe, now to a level outside religions acceptance because it contradicts previous religious dogmas and institutions.
I believe God has always existed and Manifested or made Himself known though Great Spiritual Educators such as Krishna, Moses, Buddha, Zoroaster, Christ and Muhammad. I don’t believe Muhammed was the last prophet as the Bab and Bahá’u’lláh are much more recent. There will have been Manifestations in early human history but their names have been lost. Beyond that, a constellation of wise men and sages that God has inspired.