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Why Do Christians Eat Pork?

Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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Frank Van Den Bossche said:
It doesn't happen...anymore, in Jesus' time it did and was part of Jewish law., according to the gospels' narrative Jesus saved an adulterous woman from being stoned to death. That's why I wrote about the "fundamentalist/literalist" approach
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Oh, I see; although I think a literalist approach leads to a non-literal one. I don't think women were ever supposed to be stoned and that this was part of the point in the laws, that the value of the person was to be upheld. I also don't think the Pharisees at the time of Jesus would have literally gone through with a stoning. They were probably going to have some kind of ceremonial stoning without any stones thrown, more like a ruinously embarrassing social event for the girl or worse a shunning.

By writing in the dust, Jesus seems to me to allude to the law of marital jealousy. Its the only place in the Torah where someone writes in the dust and also happens to be about cases of adultery, so probably Jesus writes a curse in the dust. The gospel narrative says that one by one the Pharisees then leave until only Jesus and the girl remain. This could not have happened had Jesus made anything except a Torah compliant argument. He convinced them to let her go through what he wrote. By virtue of providing a way, however frail, for them not to stone her, they were compelled not to. Why then is this in the gospels? Its probably an object lesson for Christians and intended to be given along with an explanation of the Torah, but the object lesson and explanation seem to have been lost in time. I am only guessing at what they were.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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AdamRaja said:
I am curious as to why Christians eat pork? It has been named unclean in numerous verses.
There are a lot of things Christians don't do because the bible says not to so why is this an exception?

Regardless, wouldn't it just be better if we didn't eat it? I know how delicious bacon is but is it worth it?
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Christians, according to Scripture, are Not under the old Constitution of the Mosaic Law which was for ancient Israel.
In other words, I find the Mosaic Law code was only for one nation, the nation of 'ancient' Israel.
We need to remember dietary restrictions (such as pork) could have been a health concern back then.
They were in the wilderness for 40 years before reaching the Promised Land.
They had No refrigeration available, and under-cooked pork could have been a health hazard to them.
Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law - Romans 10:4 - so what was under that out-dated law No longer applied.
Genesis 9:4-17 (before the Law) still applies for Christians because that is part of the Rainbow Covenant.
The Rainbow Covenant or Contract is an Everlasting Law that will always be in effect forever.
 
Fool

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AdamRaja said:
Wow this is off topic. No need to bash my religion. There are extremist and downfalls in every religion.
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touché

you're discussing pigs in a religious context.. i don't identify as exclusively christian or muslim. i made a statement about muslim's living in glass houses. what we wear, or cover ourselves with, isn't any more relevant than what we eat, or don't. it's how we behave towards ourselves and others. there are those who see the mote in another's eye but don't see the beam in their own tribalism, familialism. god isn't exclusive to a religion. its when religions start excluding god, that things go wonky. god is an idea, belief that is some how being created in the image of religion and not people, who god created in their image.

we don't always get what we want but sometimes we get what we need.


Don't act like the hypocrite, who thinks he can conceal his wiles while loudly quoting the Koran. - Hafez, 14th Century Iranian Poet
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Rival said:
The Law won't change when the Messiah comes. So there is no 'old law'. There's The Torah Law for Jews and the Noahide Law for Noahides. These things never change.
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In the sense the old Law did Not change in that the Constitution was in tact for ancient Israel.
Jesus did Not change that Law, but according to Romans 10:4 Jesus fulfilled that Law.
By Noahides it seems to me you are referring to Genesis 9th chapter which was before the Mosaic Law.
That covenant or contract is everlasting and does apply to all.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Fool said:
it isn't what goes into a man that makes them unclean but what comes from the heart. so ma'at weighs the heart on the scale against her feather.
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Seems to me, according to Matthew 15:18 Jesus also says what proceeds from the mouth comes from the heart, and they defile the man. So, it is No wonder that Jeremiah 17:9 tells us the heart is treacherous.
 
Fool

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URAVIP2ME said:
Seems to me, according to Matthew 15:18 Jesus also says what proceeds from the mouth comes from the heart, and they defile the man. So, it is No wonder that Jeremiah 17:9 tells us the heart is treacherous.
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where ever a man's treasure is, there his heart will be also.

be it good or evil
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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URAVIP2ME said:
In the sense the old Law did Not change in that the Constitution was in tact for ancient Israel.
Jesus did Not change that Law, but according to Romans 10:4 Jesus fulfilled that Law.
By Noahides it seems to me you are referring to Genesis 9th chapter which was before the Mosaic Law.
That covenant or contract is everlasting and does apply to all.
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Torah Law is eternal and for Israel.

Noahide Law is eternal and is for everyone else.

The Messiah, within Jewish/Noahide view, does not change this.
 
AdamRaja

AdamRaja

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David1967 said:
I take it that means you haven't.;)
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If you like bacon half as much as you do emojis I am sure you guys will be very happy together. Very tasty it must be..
Meth probably would make you feel great.. go smoke some of it to if we are here to simply enjoy whats for pleasure.
 
David1967

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AdamRaja said:
If you like bacon half as much as you do emojis I am sure you guys will be very happy together. Very tasty it must be..
Meth probably would make you feel great.. go smoke some of it to if we are here to simply enjoy whats for pleasure.
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Surely your not comparing bacon to Meth? Sorry for the emojis, I will refrain from them if that is akin to bacon.
 
Rival

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I'm going to have to disagree. I could never stand pork chops; gammon came close to them, being disgusting, along wit luncheon meat; sausages were OK because they were full of herbs and couldn't really taste the meat and bacon because it's so salty. But in general pork is gross.
 
sojourner

sojourner

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AdamRaja said:
I am curious as to why Christians eat pork? It has been named unclean in numerous verses.
There are a lot of things Christians don't do because the bible says not to so why is this an exception?
If you are a Christian and dont eat pork I dont mean to offend or speak for an entire religion but where I live I pass BBQ pork places that have a cross in their logo so its not even thought about it. Off topic but didnt the Buddha die from some pork?
Regardless, wouldn't it just be better if we didn't eat it? I know how delicious bacon is but is it worth it?
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It’s a biblical junction because, when the Bible was written, proper handling of meat was unknown. Trichinosis has typically been present in pork. Further, Christians are not subject to the Levitican Law. Additionally, the preponderance of Xtian tradition is rooted in paganism, not Judaism, and those traditions informed early Xy, especially since the Bible was not universally available in its modern form, or readable until most folks could read. So doctrine really comes more from oral tradition (of which scripture was part) than from just the Bible by itself.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Rival said:
Torah Law is eternal and for Israel.
Noahide Law is eternal and is for everyone else.
The Messiah, within Jewish/Noahide view, does not change this.
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I find in Scripture that the Torah Law was temporary leading up to Messiah.
When Jesus proved to be Messiah (Luke 3:21-22) then Jesus, as Messiah, would fulfill that Law.- Romans 10:4
To me there is a difference between changing and fulfilling the Law.
Jesus opened up the way for Jews, Samaritans and people of the Gentile nations to become part of a 'Spiritual Israel '. Fleshly or national Israel had its seat of government on Earth at Jerusalem.
Whereas, 'Spiritual Israel' (Galatians 4:26) has its seat of government located in Heaven, as Heavenly Jerusalem.
'Spiritual Israel' (since Pentecost ) is a spiritual nation or the Christian Congregation which is Not found located on any map and has No borders, No boundaries.- 1 Peter 2:9,4.

I find what Jesus does Not change, Not fulfill is what was set up before the Constitution of the Mosaic Law for ancient Israel as found in Genesis 9th chapter. - That Rainbow Covenant lasts forever for everyone.
 
David1967

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sojourner said:
It’s a biblical junction because, when the Bible was written, proper handling of meat was unknown. Trichinosis has typically been present in pork.
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That would have been a common sense reason to avoid pork at the time before refrigeration, but they just had to bring God into it...

sojourner said:
Further, Christians are not subject to the Levitican Law.
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Thank you!
 
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