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Trump says he is a nationalist

Epic Beard Man

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Stevicus said:
With Trump, it could mean just about anything. As the article you linked pointed out, many other politicians use the safer term "Patriot," but it essentially comes down to the same basic principle: Love of country, loyalty to one's country, etc. It's not much different from Reagan's speech about America being the "shining city on the hill" or any expressions of American exceptionalism - "leader of the free world," "arsenal of democracy," "defender of world freedom," etc. All of these concepts and ideas are within the same general ballpark as nationalism.
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Why are you guys so naive about trump?

Trump is a certified racist with provable evidence that he as well as his father have a history of racism. FFS he hired Steve Bannon of former breitbart a white supremacist site, as well as having a speech writer that was later fired for being seen at a white nationalist rally. Not to mention the man said there were good people on both sides including the white nationalist who among them killed an innocent young lady.

I can’t believe (well I can actually) you all think his definition could mean anything. It is clear given his history he is referring to white nationalism.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Labourwave said:
I feel like revolutionary nationalism has a distinctly separate character than the nationalism used by charlatans in elections. Seems awfully red-baity to feel the need to bring this up.
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I feel that nationalism is nationalism, no matter what politics drives it. Trump is using the same techniques of xenophobia, belittling opposition etc. I little difference.
 
David1967

David1967

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PopeADope said:
WASHINGTON — As a general rule, presidents do not refer to themselves as a “nationalist” given the freighted history of the word. But as President Trump tries to galvanize his conservative base to turn out in the midterm elections, he has adopted the label as a badge of honor.
‘Use That Word!’: Trump Embraces the ‘Nationalist’ Label

What do you think he meant? That N word has become quite ugly and controversal.
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I think it was intended to mean that he would put America first.
 
J

JesusMyFriend

Rosalia
Stevicus said:
With Trump, it could mean just about anything. As the article you linked pointed out, many other politicians use the safer term "Patriot," but it essentially comes down to the same basic principle: Love of country, loyalty to one's country, etc. It's not much different from Reagan's speech about America being the "shining city on the hill" or any expressions of American exceptionalism - "leader of the free world," "arsenal of democracy," "defender of world freedom," etc. All of these concepts and ideas are within the same general ballpark as nationalism.
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"Defender of World Freedom". Don't want to argue with anyone but honestly this makes me laugh soooo much..:lol:
 
ADigitalArtist

ADigitalArtist

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I have difficulty being proud of being an American because all we are really good at is violence. Military violence and crime.
Our education sucks. Our healthcare sucks. Our poverty levels suck, for which people want to blame poor people instead of the systems we put in place to get rich richer, poor people poorer, and the middle class shrinking into the latter.
Half of our country voted for someone who emotionally and intellectually peaked at 9th grade. We are the slowest first world nation at getting our civil rights **** together. Hell we are back to trying to make trans people legally nonexistent again.

I can think of a dozen countries I'd rather live than here.

If anything I have could be considered nationalism it's that I want to fix it more than leave it.

But that's not what Trump is. He's a racist xenophobe who surrounds himself by white nationalists and tries to discreetly absorb their racism into the common language of his party.
 
Epic Beard Man

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
ADigitalArtist said:
I have difficulty being proud of being an American because all we are really good at is violence. Military violence and crime.
Our education sucks. Our healthcare sucks. Our poverty levels suck, for which people want to blame poor people instead of the systems we put in place to get rich richer, poor people poorer, and the middle class shrinking into the latter.
Half of our country voted for someone who emotionally and intellectually peaked at 9th grade. We are the slowest first world nation at getting our civil rights **** together. Hell we are back to trying to make trans people legally nonexistent again.

I can think of a dozen countries I'd rather live than here.

If anything I have could be considered nationalism it's that I want to fix it more than leave it.

But that's not what Trump is. He's a racist xenophobe who surrounds himself by white nationalists and tries to discreetly absorb their racism into the common language of his party.
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This.....

You are the only one here that gets it while people have their heads in the sand trying to define nationalism.

Trump is fu****** Steve Bannon!!!!! Breitbart is a racist website and this man hired him! That is like Obama hiring Farrakhan during his presidency which I’m sure people on RF would have an issue. I’m just appalled how stupid some people are acting when it comes to Trump talking about Nationalism.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
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Most people are nationalists whether they realize it or not. If you believe in the concept of the nation-state, you are a nationalist. There's liberal nationalism, leftist nationalism, rightist nationalism, ultranationalism, civic nationalism, cultural nationalism, ethnic nationalism, etc. It takes many different forms.

Anyway, I'm a nationalist and would prefer a nationalist government. We're not there yet but Trump has some nationalist policies but I don't think he is truly an "America First" sort of nationalist.
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
Epic Beard Man said:
But there is a fundamental difference between being a nationalist and patriot
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Words tend to be fluid, and shape shift over time... Especially across cultures and traditions.

...You might be going by the European definition, or perhaps some other definition.
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
To me, a patriot is someone who sports a flag, wears U.S.A buttons, and has red, white and blue clothes on.

A nationalist, to me, is someone who supports politics that favor the United States and helps citizens. IOW, not a globalist.
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
ADigitalArtist said:
I have difficulty being proud of being an American because all we are really good at is violence. Military violence and crime.
Our education sucks. Our healthcare sucks. Our poverty levels suck, for which people want to blame poor people instead of the systems we put in place to get rich richer, poor people poorer, and the middle class shrinking into the latter.
Half of our country voted for someone who emotionally and intellectually peaked at 9th grade. We are the slowest first world nation at getting our civil rights **** together. Hell we are back to trying to make trans people legally nonexistent again.

I can think of a dozen countries I'd rather live than here.

If anything I have could be considered nationalism it's that I want to fix it more than leave it.

But that's not what Trump is. He's a racist xenophobe who surrounds himself by white nationalists and tries to discreetly absorb their racism into the common language of his party.
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I appreciate the balance in your post. You seem suprisingly open to understanding the situation from all the various angles.
 
Rival

Rival

se Dex me saut.
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Premium Member
I'm a Mondasian Nationalist. We will survive.

Also, I'm a Trap Nationalist. Someone is going to get that
 
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