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Responding to Megyn Kelly

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
For those that are unaware of the controversy, the following is a video concerning the infamous comment she made:


One thing that stands out is when Megyn Kelly said “when I was a kid it was okay as long as you were dressing up as a character.”

Megyn Kelly is 47 years old. She was born on November 18th, 1970. I’m sure towards the late 60’s and early 70’s racism was still prominent in a lot of sectors in society. Considering she is from Champaign, Illinois, to Dewitt New York, I’m sure she had seen and witnessed some racism against people of color in one form or another whether she knew or not.

What I do every year especially when I have these little discussions with my Caucasian friends is discuss the whole issue with “blackface.” I never really start these conversations it usually comes up in casual discourse which of course one of my comrades always sway the conversation of “is it okay if my kid dresses up as blade, because that is his favorite character?”

In like, I usually respond “do what you want, HOWEVER...” then I usually have to inform them on the sensitivity on the subject of portraying oneself as a character of a different ethnicity. Unfortunately, and contrary to popular opinion, we do not live in a post-racial society. Although our society is currently progressive, we still have issues with race and racism today.

Of course you’ll get the people who respond in regards to the refutation of living in a post racial society by saying:

“Why can’t we just take the words of Morgan Freeman and just stop talking about it?”

In kind, I respond that racism like a disease must be acknowledged and confronted with the antidote of reason. Cancer doesn’t go away when we stop talking about it or stop making others aware. Like cancer, contracting it can be both biological and/or environmental, although not biological per se, racism is very much environmental and learned. Blackface being a symptom of that racism must be combatted with reason and knowledge that it is wrong.

Shall I remind people that blackface is not just about portraying a character, historically it created a caricature of African-American men and women using stereotypical features that were often exaggerated. Stereotypes of this kind were often associated with African-Americans historically in a pejorative way as branding black people and pairing is with certain certain foods.

See the following short video:


For the record I, and many other African-Americans do not speak like what is portrayed in the above video. But historically we are often associated with degenerate behavior, often we are considered buffoons, aloof, automatons, incapable of being free thinking human beings without reason.

I’m 36 years old and even growing up I was taught the history of why portraying African-Americans was wrong. These were decades upon decades (even centuries) of negative portrayals of African-Americans (Starting with William Shakespeare). In theater, African-Americans were always portrayed by whites with the aforementioned stereotypical traits portraying the false narrative of who African-Americans are.

“Shawn and Marlon Wayans made a movie called White Chicks so how fair is that? It sounds hypocritical.”

Sure it’s a movie based on stereotypes and sure I’ll use that and a few movies or acts by comedians to compare against centuries old portrayal of early Africans and African-Americans but I ask, is it a real comparison of the few acts in film compared to literature and centuries of history where African-Americans were negatively portrayed by Caucasians in the United States as well as elsewhere? Not to mention African-Americans living under a system of racism as if not oppressed enough.

But hey like the Kepernick situation or black lives matter, African-Americans can tirelessly explain why such and such is wrong culturally, people will continue to be willfully ignorant. So to make the moral of this thread palatable I will end with the following short video why it’s wrong:


 
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Stanyon

WWMRD?
Megyn Kelly was born in1907? @ 1:18.
So the narrarator of this video blatantly lies about Megyn Kelly's age in a disgusting display of ageism (dumb old white lady doesn't know anything) and then presumes to lecture on dubious claims of racism?
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
I'd like to invent a genetic alteration such that none of us could see any racial differences, ever.

If you ever do invent that keep it away from me, I like the variety.
Some basic examples:
Salma Hayek
Lucy Liu
Margot Robbie
Regina Hall
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
They are fictional comic book characters. Why can't there be a Black Superman or an Asian Blade. A Filipino Batman and Robin.
Batman+en+Robin.jpg


What about the ethnicities that don't have a Superhero? Who are they supposed to dress up as?

Ok, maybe they shouldn't dress up as a Black Blade but what about a portraying Blade as an Eskimo?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
She was born on November 18th, 1970.

I was 25 in 1970. The fight for civil liberties was in full swing along with the reaction to Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination in the very recent past. The use of blackface outside perhaps of the South was not in evidence then and would have been frowned upon at least given that the Black Panther Party had been founded just a bit in the past. The image of blacks we saw often looked like this with whites in favor of gun control back then for obvious reasons:

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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Megyn Kelly was born in1907? @ 1:18.
So the narrarator of this video blatantly lies about Megyn Kelly's age in a disgusting display of ageism (dumb old white lady doesn't know anything) and then presumes to lecture on dubious claims of racism?

How's that IQ working out for you? He was clearly being facetious regarding her docile response concerning the issue of blackface. Him mention 1907 was in reference to perhaps the pre-theatrical portrayal of African-Americans in film hence "she looks good for being born in 1907."
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I'd like to invent a genetic alteration such that none of us could see any racial differences, ever.


This message is the zenith (in my opinion) and the answer to your statement.

"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted."

Indeed knowledge gained through variety is essential for the mind to make distinctions and classifications. It is human arrogance and ignorance that makes "race" an issue. Even the angels themselves (as well as demons) are not all the same.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I was 25 in 1970. The fight for civil liberties was in full swing along with the reaction to Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination in the very recent past. The use of blackface outside perhaps of the South was not in evidence then and would have been frowned upon at least given that the Black Panther Party had been founded just a bit in the past. The image of blacks we saw often looked like this with whites in favor of gun control back then for obvious reasons:

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This is why I don't understand Kelly's remarks. Either she was blatantly lying to make a point or she was oblivious.
 
“is it okay if my kid dresses up as blade, because that is his favorite character?”

In like, I usually respond “do what you want, HOWEVER...” then I usually have to inform them on the sensitivity on the subject of portraying oneself as a character of a different ethnicity.

Obviously blacking up is offensive, but do you also mean simply dressing up in a Blade costume is walking an ethical tightrope?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Obviously blacking up is offensive, but do you also mean simply dressing up in a Blade costume is walking an ethical tightrope?

"Blacking up?" Yeah okay....

As far as the blade situation I don't care personally, but as I said as a warning every other black person does not think like me or is going to receive it like me, so the best bet is not to do it. We don't live in a society where the lines of cultural appropriation is blurred. You still have people from the WW2 era that still refer to me as "colored." It would take all of us to die from the 30's 40's 50's 60's 70's 80's 90's and even 00's for race to actually not become a factor and that Halloween and dressing up as your favorite character of a different ethnicity is not an issue.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I was 25 in 1970. The image of blacks we saw often looked like this with whites in favor of gun control back then for obvious reasons:

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Speak for yourself.
I & many other whites.supported gun rights back then.
Black folk need them too.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
How's that IQ working out for you? He was clearly being facetious regarding her docile response concerning the issue of blackface. Him mention 1907 was in reference to perhaps the pre-theatrical portrayal of African-Americans in film hence "she looks good for being born in 1907."

No, he was being ageist and sexist
By saying she looks good for a woman born in 1907 he was implying that a woman after a certain age is somehow unattractive, maybe you misinterpreted the social cues.
I can help you
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
If someone wants to dress as Blade or Black Panther for Halloween and aren't black, I don't give a crap. Blackface would be in poor taste but you don't need blackface to be recognizable as those characters.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
If someone wants to dress as Blade or Black Panther for Halloween and aren't black, I don't give a crap. Blackface would be in poor taste but you don't need blackface to be recognizable as those characters.

My grandson had a Halloween dress up day at school last week and the theme was to dress as a super hero. His favourite colour is orange so he wore all orange and called himself "Orange Man", his teacher said that wasn't a super hero and he said "yes it is, I'm him"- His teacher wasn't thinking out of the box.
I admire his creativity, originality, and self assuredness and it will probably help him out a lot in life.
 
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