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The Russian Boogeymen Under Your Bed

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Father Heathen said:
Too bad I don't identify as a democrat, nor do I attempt to excuse or defend any hypocrisy or misdeeds that occur on the left....
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See...you should be satisfied because you wouldn't click on either spoiler.
But lo!
I edited it to make it even better for you.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Father Heathen said:
So the findings of multiple intelligence agencies are all "paranoiac conspiracy theories"?
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In the case of Maria Butina, it was a conspiracy theory and it was proven in court and the federal government had to admit it. They called bringing Trumped up charges and leaking a false narrative to the press a "mistake", it took the judge less than five minutes to dismiss the charges- and these are the heroes you trust to run an investigation?
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Stanyon said:
In the case of Maria Butina, it was a conspiracy theory and it was proven in court and the federal government had to admit it. They called bringing Trumped up charges and leaking a false narrative to the press a "mistake", it took the judge less than five minutes to dismiss the charges- and these are the heroes you trust to run an investigation?
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"Heroes", rrrrright. No, I just find the notion that the entire intelligence community is inept or even part of some vast conspiracy to be preposterous.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Revoltingest said:
See...you should be satisfied because you wouldn't click on either spoiler.
But lo!
I edited it to make it even better for you.
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Both spoilers were correct; politicians, regardless of their affiliation, are hypocrites. I just tire of this "my side can do no wrong, their side can do no right" mentality that many have.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Stanyon said:
Trump had nothing to do with Maria Butina or the indictments against the Russians in the examples I posted.
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Show us this supposed evidence that you have, and I can guarantee that you can't do that.

When Mueller releases his report, we'll have a much better idea of what he found versus couldn't find.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Stanyon said:
Mueller is the one responsible for giving you that, innocent until proven guilty- remember?
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Mueller has not convicted anyone by his own account, so all you're doing is fabricating "stories". Oh, I'm sorry: your "alternative facts".
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
metis said:
Mueller has not convicted anyone by his own account, so all you're doing is fabricating "stories". Oh, I'm sorry: your "alternative facts".
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-You make indictments you better have proof
-If you make charges you better have evidence to back it up
Seems such a small thing to expect from our nations justice department
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Stanyon said:
-You make indictments you better have proof
-If you make charges you better have evidence to back it up
Seems such a small thing to expect from our nations justice department
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Again, you and I simply don't know what he has or hasn't, and yet you're so willing to jump to conclusions.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
metis said:
Again, you and I simply don't know what he has or hasn't, and yet you're so willing to jump to conclusions.
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I'm weird that way:

"Article 11 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defense"

Article 11 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights


Stanyon said:
The last time an indictment was brought against Russians in Russia they sent a team of lawyers so they could consult with Mueller and make a proper defense, something Mueller apparently didn't count on. From what I understand when one brings an indictment it means that prosecutors are ready to go to court and are confident that their evidence will convince a jury of guilt, in this specific case it seems Mueller was caught with his pant's down. The indictments initially got a lot of play in the media but as things fell apart not so much:
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Stanyon said:
Judge rejects Mueller's request for delay in Russian troll farm case - POLITICO

Then we have new indictments of Russians that will never be extradited over claims of meddling in our midterm elections with what? Funny pictures and supposedly telling their "trolls" to "Paint a picture of Mc Cain as senile and in need of being put in a nursing home" or something to that effect. No matter that it has been concluded that these same tactics had little to no effects in the 2016 elections, the narrative is still that Russians are attempting to cause division and undermine our democracy, our democracy is under attack! fear, fear, and more fear


Though unrelated other than Russians were involved we have the case of Maria Butina who was cast as a Russian spy with links to the NRA and republican politicians and was offering jobs for sex and was up to some espionage. Here is one example of how it was reported though the narrative was repeated many times in other news sources:
Maria Butina, the Russian accused of using sex, lies and guns to infiltrate US politics - CNNPolitics

Then the admission it was all bulls**t:
Government erred in claiming accused Russian spy Maria Butina offered to trade sex for political access - CNNPolitics

So the Justice Department of the United States made formal charges and put a narrative out in the media based on some three year old texts that the judge in the case determined was a joke between friends in less than five minutes?

Seeing a pattern here?
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metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Stanyon said:
I'm weird that way:

"Article 11 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defense"

Article 11 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
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But you're the one, not I, who has acted like judge & jury by declaring Trump innocent even though there has been no indictment nor a trial. I don
t presume anything along that line.
 
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