The Jews are unbelievers according to Quran

Rival said:

3 out of 4.

It's like Baha'is just aren't a thing, hehe.

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Baha'is pioneer and don't proselytise (wink wink) so they were omitted

FearGod said:

which verse that says Jews are disbelievers?

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The verse I'm referring to is this

"We ordained therein for them: 'Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.' But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what God has revealed, they are (no better than) wrong-doers" [Quran 5:45].

However I'm a bit confused as to how it was translated and interpreted. It says in the interpretation that it makes Jews unbelievers. But it refers (the interpretation) also to two other words besides the "wrong doers" which it actually mentions. One is "unbeliever" and the other is "rebellous".

And then some other translators make the wrong doers = unjust.

Anthem said:

The verse I'm referring to is this

"We ordained therein for them: 'Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.' But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what God has revealed, they are (no better than) wrong-doers" [Quran 5:45].

However I'm a bit confused as to how it was translated and interpreted. It says in the interpretation that it makes Jews unbelievers. But it refers (the interpretation) also to two other words besides the "wrong doers" which it actually mentions. One is "unbeliever" and the other is "rebellous".

And then some other translators make the wrong doers = unjust.

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I don't see that it says the Jews are disbelievers.

wizanda said:

As Yeshua said the Jews deny his father (Matthew 11:27) the God Most High (Luke 1:32)...

Allah is the Most High according to the Quran, and has used representatives to communicate with mankind.

42:51 And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.

The Jews have made their Lord (YHVH) into the God Most High (El Elyon), and thus they no longer accept the God Most High exists; they believe in their representative (YHVH), who later became Yeshua, so currently they are unbelievers, who have no deity.

In my opinion.

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How is it that you assume the right to criticise another? Isn't enough that you manage your own life before the Creator? This is repulsive.

Serpent Child said:

Muhammad was a racial/ethnic Jew. Are you talking about ethnic Jews or religious Jews?

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Nonsense. He was an Arab of the Quraysh tribe.

Anthem said:

The Jews are unbelievers according to Quran ....

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This is not correct.

The Qur’an uses the following terms to describe quite distinct groups of people:

‘Mushrikūn’ (polytheists); ‘Kuffār’ (unbelievers); and ‘Ahl al-kitāb’ (People of the Book - that is, Jews and Christians). The term 'People of the Book' is an honorific.

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) condemns only those (Jews, Christians, Muslims, and so on) who sin. This is what He has to say concerning the Jews (and other People of the Book):

‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters were not about to change their ways until they were sent clear evidence, a messenger from Allāh, reading out pages (blessed with) purity, containing true scriptures. (Yet) those who were given the Scripture became divided only after they were sent (such) clear evidence though all they are required to do is worship Allāh alone, sincerely devoting their religion to Him as people of true faith, keep up the prayer, and pay the prescribed alms, for that is the true religion.

‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will have the Fire of Hell, there to remain. They are the worst of creation.’ (Al-Bayyina: 1-6).

Certain folk take verse six as a condemnation of all Jews (and Christians). These folk take no heed of the following:

‘Those who believe, and do good deeds, are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. Allāh is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord.’ (Al-Bayyina: 7-8).

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) created human beings as equals, who are to be distinguished from each other only on the basis of their faith and piety. He tells us: ‘People, We created you all from a single man and a single woman, and made you into races and tribes so that you should know one another. In Allāh’s eyes, the most honoured of you are the ones most mindful of Him: Allāh is all knowing, all aware.’ (Al-Hujurat: 13)

Although created as equals, we are given different paths to follow:

‘We have assigned a law and a path to each of you. If Allāh had so willed, He would have made you one community, but He wanted to test you through that which He has given you, so race to do good: you will all return to Allāh and He will make clear to you the matters you differed about.’ (Al-Ma’ida: 48).

The message is clear: Whatever path we happen to be on – whatever law we happen to follow – we are each of us called to do good.

The Exalted says this: ‘For the (Muslim) believers, the Jews, the Sabians, and the Christians – those who believe in Allāh and the Last Day and do good deeds – there is no fear: they will not grieve.’ (Al-Ma’ida 69).

This is the Exalted’s solemn promise; and He does not renege on His promises.

All people, regardless of their religion – or none – are required to spread justice, compassion and mercy on earth; yes, and beauty too:

The Exalted says this: ‘Spend in Allāh’s cause: do not contribute to your destruction with your own hands, but do good, for Allāh loves those who do good.’ (Al-Baqara: 195); and this: ‘Allāh loves those who keep their pledges and are mindful of Him……who give, both in prosperity and adversity, who restrain their anger and pardon people – Allāh loves those who do good…….. so pardon them and ask forgiveness for them. Consult with them about matters, then, when you have decided on a course of action, put your trust in Allāh: Allāh loves those who put their trust in Him.’ (Al‘Imran: 76; 134; 159): and this: ‘Allāh loves those who seek to purify themselves.’ (Al-Tawba: 108).

Anyone who behaves in the manner described in these verses is loved by Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla). Anyone at all.

I once witnessed the Shahada of a Jewish acquaintance who had decided to become a Muslim. It was an honour to be asked; but all the while I wondered why he had decided to convert. Judaism contains all that is necessary for a person to draw near to HaShem, with no need whatsoever to go elsewhere.

Ellen Brown said:

How is it that you assume the right to criticise another?

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Who is criticizing; this is what the religious text stipulated, and the idea people don't recognize these things on mass is why the Tribulation is soon.

Ellen Brown said:

Isn't enough that you manage your own life before the Creator?

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Life is about to end as we know it on this planet because of these things; therefore all of us have the right to try to correct these misunderstandings based on the data.

In my opinion.

Serpent Child said:

Muhammad was a racial/ethnic Jew. Are you talking about ethnic Jews or religious Jews?

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No such thing as an 'ethnic Jew' in any real sense of the term. Jews were not genetically distinct from other people in the region as has been demonstrated by modern scientific techniques.

Anthem said:

The Jews are unbelievers according to Quran because, among other things, they twisted the words in the Torah to better fit their needs.

I understand that that is their permanent crime, and another is that they mocked Mohammad and his teachings.

But this complicates the words unbeliever to me. At some point in the Quran it seemed the only thing necessary for one to be a believer is to believe in God (and there is only one god; Allah). Also one would have to be righteous. [There was a third one which I forget]

But what if a Jew believes in God (that one God) and is righteous, is he still, because of the book he has, an unbeliever?

And what about all the unrighteous Muslims - they have the right book and the right God. Plenty of them even do all the correct prayers and other rituals. Everything's cool except that they aren't righteous. Are they still believers, but rebellous.

I have not yet ran into any names in the Quran that it would give to those Mulisms that do wrong.

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There is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the ONE and only God, the God of the Jews, and there is Allah, the god of the Muslims. Now, how many Gods do you see here?

Niblo said:

This is not correct.

The Qur’an uses the following terms to describe quite distinct groups of people:

‘Mushrikūn’ (polytheists); ‘Kuffār’ (unbelievers); and ‘Ahl al-kitāb’ (People of the Book - that is, Jews and Christians). The term 'People of the Book' is an honorific.

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) condemns only those (Jews, Christians, Muslims, and so on) who sin. This is what He has to say concerning the Jews (and other People of the Book):

‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters were not about to change their ways until they were sent clear evidence, a messenger from Allāh, reading out pages (blessed with) purity, containing true scriptures. (Yet) those who were given the Scripture became divided only after they were sent (such) clear evidence though all they are required to do is worship Allāh alone, sincerely devoting their religion to Him as people of true faith, keep up the prayer, and pay the prescribed alms, for that is the true religion.

‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will have the Fire of Hell, there to remain. They are the worst of creation.’ (Al-Bayyina: 1-6).

Certain folk take verse six as a condemnation of all Jews (and Christians). These folk take no heed of the following:

‘Those who believe, and do good deeds, are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. Allāh is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord.’ (Al-Bayyina: 7-8).

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) created human beings as equals, who are to be distinguished from each other only on the basis of their faith and piety. He tells us: ‘People, We created you all from a single man and a single woman, and made you into races and tribes so that you should know one another. In Allāh’s eyes, the most honoured of you are the ones most mindful of Him: Allāh is all knowing, all aware.’ (Al-Hujurat: 13)

Although created as equals, we are given different paths to follow:

‘We have assigned a law and a path to each of you. If Allāh had so willed, He would have made you one community, but He wanted to test you through that which He has given you, so race to do good: you will all return to Allāh and He will make clear to you the matters you differed about.’ (Al-Ma’ida: 48).

The message is clear: Whatever path we happen to be on – whatever law we happen to follow – we are each of us called to do good.

The Exalted says this: ‘For the (Muslim) believers, the Jews, the Sabians, and the Christians – those who believe in Allāh and the Last Day and do good deeds – there is no fear: they will not grieve.’ (Al-Ma’ida 69).

This is the Exalted’s solemn promise; and He does not renege on His promises.

All people, regardless of their religion – or none – are required to spread justice, compassion and mercy on earth; yes, and beauty too:

The Exalted says this: ‘Spend in Allāh’s cause: do not contribute to your destruction with your own hands, but do good, for Allāh loves those who do good.’ (Al-Baqara: 195); and this: ‘Allāh loves those who keep their pledges and are mindful of Him……who give, both in prosperity and adversity, who restrain their anger and pardon people – Allāh loves those who do good…….. so pardon them and ask forgiveness for them. Consult with them about matters, then, when you have decided on a course of action, put your trust in Allāh: Allāh loves those who put their trust in Him.’ (Al‘Imran: 76; 134; 159): and this: ‘Allāh loves those who seek to purify themselves.’ (Al-Tawba: 108).

Anyone who behaves in the manner described in these verses is loved by Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla). Anyone at all.

I once witnessed the Shahada of a Jewish acquaintance who had decided to become a Muslim. It was an honour to be asked; but all the while I wondered why he had decided to convert. Judaism contains all that is necessary for a person to draw near to HaShem, with no need whatsoever to go elsewhere.

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Unbeliever and disbeliever are different things.

Anthem said:

Unbeliever and disbeliever are different things.

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You wrote: 'The Jews are unbelievers according to Quran.'

Jews are not 'Kuffār’ (unbelievers); they are ‘Ahl al-kitāb’ (People of the Book). Some might well be disbelievers....but certainly not all.

Your statement - your statement - remains incorrect.

Niblo said:

This is not correct.

The Qur’an uses the following terms to describe quite distinct groups of people:

‘Mushrikūn’ (polytheists); ‘Kuffār’ (unbelievers); and ‘Ahl al-kitāb’ (People of the Book - that is, Jews and Christians). The term 'People of the Book' is an honorific.

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) condemns only those (Jews, Christians, Muslims, and so on) who sin. This is what He has to say concerning the Jews (and other People of the Book):

‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters were not about to change their ways until they were sent clear evidence, a messenger from Allāh, reading out pages (blessed with) purity, containing true scriptures. (Yet) those who were given the Scripture became divided only after they were sent (such) clear evidence though all they are required to do is worship Allāh alone, sincerely devoting their religion to Him as people of true faith, keep up the prayer, and pay the prescribed alms, for that is the true religion.

‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will have the Fire of Hell, there to remain. They are the worst of creation.’ (Al-Bayyina: 1-6).

Certain folk take verse six as a condemnation of all Jews (and Christians). These folk take no heed of the following:

‘Those who believe, and do good deeds, are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. Allāh is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord.’ (Al-Bayyina: 7-8).

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) created human beings as equals, who are to be distinguished from each other only on the basis of their faith and piety. He tells us: ‘People, We created you all from a single man and a single woman, and made you into races and tribes so that you should know one another. In Allāh’s eyes, the most honoured of you are the ones most mindful of Him: Allāh is all knowing, all aware.’ (Al-Hujurat: 13)

Although created as equals, we are given different paths to follow:

‘We have assigned a law and a path to each of you. If Allāh had so willed, He would have made you one community, but He wanted to test you through that which He has given you, so race to do good: you will all return to Allāh and He will make clear to you the matters you differed about.’ (Al-Ma’ida: 48).

The message is clear: Whatever path we happen to be on – whatever law we happen to follow – we are each of us called to do good.

The Exalted says this: ‘For the (Muslim) believers, the Jews, the Sabians, and the Christians – those who believe in Allāh and the Last Day and do good deeds – there is no fear: they will not grieve.’ (Al-Ma’ida 69).

This is the Exalted’s solemn promise; and He does not renege on His promises.

All people, regardless of their religion – or none – are required to spread justice, compassion and mercy on earth; yes, and beauty too:

The Exalted says this: ‘Spend in Allāh’s cause: do not contribute to your destruction with your own hands, but do good, for Allāh loves those who do good.’ (Al-Baqara: 195); and this: ‘Allāh loves those who keep their pledges and are mindful of Him……who give, both in prosperity and adversity, who restrain their anger and pardon people – Allāh loves those who do good…….. so pardon them and ask forgiveness for them. Consult with them about matters, then, when you have decided on a course of action, put your trust in Allāh: Allāh loves those who put their trust in Him.’ (Al‘Imran: 76; 134; 159): and this: ‘Allāh loves those who seek to purify themselves.’ (Al-Tawba: 108).

Anyone who behaves in the manner described in these verses is loved by Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla). Anyone at all.

I once witnessed the Shahada of a Jewish acquaintance who had decided to become a Muslim. It was an honour to be asked; but all the while I wondered why he had decided to convert. Judaism contains all that is necessary for a person to draw near to HaShem, with no need whatsoever to go elsewhere.

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Can a person be sent to hell and be loved by Allah at the same time?

"It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire. (Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0284)"

Are Jews and Christians Mushriks according to the Quran? A rebuttal to Dr. Jamal Badawi

FearGod said:

I don't see that it says the Jews are disbelievers.

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Pardon, I think I point at the wrong verse. It is supposed to be (according to the writer)
verses 47,48, 50.

Anthem said:

Pardon, I think I point at the wrong verse. It is supposed to be (according to the writer)
verses 47,48, 50.

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Still I don't see any verse that says the Jews are disbelievers,

RabbiO said:

Jews believe that the righteous of all nations have a share in the world to come. In other words, you don't need to be a Jew to find favor with the divine, to be blessed by the divine.

In the main, Jews do not go out looking to have confrontations with Christians or Muslims. Jews do not proselytize, although converts are accepted. For the most part, confrontation finds us when either Jews or Judaism are misunderstood or misrepresented. It is only natural, in those cases, to try to set the record straight. Unfortunately, the attempts to do so sometimes only leads to further confrontation.

Absent one side or the other advocating some heinous course of conduct, we would be better served, though we might believe the other side is incorrect, to learn about the differences between us and then respect those differences and respect the right of others to believe as they do.

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The problem is not all Jews have this docile mentality

Ellen Brown said:

This sniping between the Abrahamic beliefs is tiresome.

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You have someone who created a troll thread just to have an argument.

Anthem said:

Pardon, I think I point at the wrong verse. It is supposed to be (according to the writer)
verses 47,48, 50.

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This whole thread is wrong.

Epic Beard Man said:

The problem is not all Jews have this docile mentality

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What docile mentality? Unless you're working off some definition of "docile" with which I am unfamiliar, I have no idea what you're saying.

RabbiO said:

What docile mentality? Unless you're working off some definition of "docile" with which I am unfamiliar, I have no idea what you're saying.

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Docile meaning having a manageable, mentality easy going. When you say "Jews don't go out looking for confrontations" is where my comment is generated from because I'm sure this is not universally true. I'm sure there are some like any other group that do go out looking for confrontation whether religious or otherwise.

Saint Frankenstein said:

Nonsense. He was an Arab of the Quraysh tribe.

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The Quraysh tribe origins...
"The Quraysh's progenitor was Fihr ibn Malik, whose full genealogy, according to traditional Arab sources, was the following: Fihr ibn Mālik ibn al-Naḍr ibn Kināna ibn Khuzayma ibn Mudrika ibn Ilyās ibn Muḍar ibn Nizār ibn Maʿadd ibn ʿAdnān.[1] Thus, Fihr belonged to the Kinana tribe and his descent is traced to Adnan, the semi-legendary father of the "northern Arabs".[1]" - Quraysh | Wikiwand

"According to Islamic prophetic tradition, Muhammad was descended from Adnan. Tradition records the genealogy from Adnan to Muhammad comprises 21 generations." - Family tree of Muhammad | Wikiwand

Who was Adnan?

"According to tradition, Adnan is the father of a group of the Ishmaelite Arabs who inhabited West and Northern Arabia; he is a descendant of Ishmael, son of [the Jewish patriarch] Abraham. Adnan is believed by genealogists to be the father of many Ishmaelite tribes along the Western coast of Arabia, Northern Arabia and Iraq.[2][3][4][5]" - Adnan | Wikiwand