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You're A Theist Because...
- Thread starter Rival
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No no, that's a different kind of test. Ahem.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Alright mate. Maybe I misunderstood, but whats with the anger mate? No point mate.
I am sorry. It's just that I've had to deal with it being misread enough times when I was sure I'd made it clear.
firedragon
Veteran Member
All good Rival. Sorry for my not so knowledgeable statement. Cheers. Were good.
Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
True, however, before Darwin, I would probably be a theist. The complexity of living things DOES need an explanation. Natural selection provides that explanation, but without an understanding of how cumulative natural selection works to give the illusion of design over eons, it's quite easy to believe in a conscious designer. Other arguments for existence of God (first cause, etc.) are logically invalid and rely on special pleading.
nPeace
Veteran Member
This is an excellent point.
Many atheist will claim that their decision to call themselves atheist is logical, but I find logic has nothing to do with atheism.
All the atheist I have spoken to always gave the same basic reasons for not being a believer... and those reasons were based not on logic, but emotion.
Reason (not in any particular order)
1. Death of a loved one... and not being able to come to grips with why death, pain, and suffering exists.
2. Hypocrisy and wickedness of those who claim to believe in god, and a failure on their part to provide proper answers to life's big and important questions.
Both these reason led some to a third reason.
3. Pursuit of pleasures - what makes one feel good, and drowns out the emotional pain, and makes one callous to the suffering around them.
These do not demonstrate logical and rational thinking, but are merely reactions to things that may be annoying, irritating... etc.
"Why does god allow suffering and evil? If there is such a loving god then, why did he allow, or take - according to what they have heard from some who misrepresent God and the Bible, since the Bible does not teach such - my mom/dad, my son/daughter?"
If god......................... Why.........................?
Because one does not understand something, or get an answer to something right away, is not reason to deny something.
We go through that every day.
A school girl/boy may not understand an exercise, or get the answer right away, but that doesn't mean there is no solution, or maker of the school exercise program.
Similarly we go to work and face challenges, where a solution is not always reached right away.
In some cases, school children get frustrated and become rebellious, and workers get mad and take it out on others, or commit suicide.
In fact the most common reason for suicide, is frustration - an emotional reaction.
Emotional reactions are not the same as logical conclusions.
This I find fits most atheist - Yes. nPeace says, almost all atheist.
They don't have answers, so they take irrational steps. [footnote*]
Imo, if any one may fall into the category of thinking logically, as a non-believer, I would say it's an agnostic. They have admitted that things are not right, but that's no reason to throw reason out the window. They are open - open to find answers.
* I am mainly thinking of atheist who were not raised in households where religion was a focal point. Although someone named Bob told me that all - A double L - persons have been brainwashed into one religion or other, but I don't buy that, since some persons left religion before they got children.
I believe all atheist have the ability to think rationally.
Like everyone else - theist and non-theist some shut their mind, some open their mind. I'm not saying I know who does from who doesn't. I can't know.
hey nPeace,
That whole elongated paragraph is a simple explanation of what Earth's Stuff is to life on this planet, no gods needed.
Atheist morn their loving loved ones, and remember them to their own deaths
We put up with all the critiques made to us by believers of all sorts, even wickedness to some extents. The important questions are answered by living and loving our own brethren. Even if they believe or not believe.
You think that atheists don't care about suffering and pain in others, what a distorted mind you must have !
I could go on and on but your imagined image what atheist believe is contorted beyond belief, even your own !
People suffer because of misfortune, accidents, and illness, not because of any gods doing. More people have died by your imagined `GOD` than any other cause.
Geeeeez....I'm getting perturbed by your attitude and your inept understanding of reality,
So, with that...NuffStuff
That whole elongated paragraph is a simple explanation of what Earth's Stuff is to life on this planet, no gods needed.
Atheist morn their loving loved ones, and remember them to their own deaths
We put up with all the critiques made to us by believers of all sorts, even wickedness to some extents. The important questions are answered by living and loving our own brethren. Even if they believe or not believe.
You think that atheists don't care about suffering and pain in others, what a distorted mind you must have !
I could go on and on but your imagined image what atheist believe is contorted beyond belief, even your own !
People suffer because of misfortune, accidents, and illness, not because of any gods doing. More people have died by your imagined `GOD` than any other cause.
Geeeeez....I'm getting perturbed by your attitude and your inept understanding of reality,
So, with that...NuffStuff
nPeace
Veteran Member
Gee. I'm completely flattened almost to the point of dumbfounded.
Did you read my post or someone else's?
I said none of the things you are claiming to have read.
What you say I think about atheist is something foreign both to me and the post I made above.
Where did I say atheists don't care about suffering and pain in others? Absolutely nowhere at all.
I think I see where you misunderstood, so I will edit it to make sure it's not misinterpreted in the future. Thank God for different minds and understanding.
@'mud On second thought, I realized I can't change it really, because it's exactly what I mean.
Think deeply on it. It's not how you interpret it.
I'm not saying that you don't care. I think that would be impossible.
I also think it would be impossible not to feel physical pain.... except for one thing - and this is the key to my point - painkillers.
Peace.
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nPeace
Veteran Member
Yeah. I realized. I updated my post to him. Hopefully he gets it.
Thanks