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I am reading the Quran, Gospel, Psalms, Tora, BoMormon, Avesta and i wonder if the Vedas are also...

W3bcrowf3r

W3bcrowf3r

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Valjean said:
But we have no choice. Someone who knows Sanskrit would only be adding his own 'translation', and even if you were to learn Sanskrit yourself,
Aup is RF's unofficial Hindu religious scholar, and, if not fluent, He's at least familiar with the language.
He's quite learnèd.

I don't think you'll find any succinct, theological synopses in the Vedas. You may also find they can be interpreted at multiple levels.
Humane behavior? I'm skeptical.
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I dont follow religious scholars. They are all educated, but yet contradict themselves and others. I believe because they mix the Scriptures with fabricated sources.

Example, Imams mix the Quran with Ahadith. Popes mix the Gospel with the Trinity. Rabbis mix the Tora with the Talmud etc.

Just curious if he can translate it word for word.
 
W3bcrowf3r

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Terese said:
Namaskar, The Vedas propound Brahman, the Supreme Lord. All names that the Vedas praise are names of Brahman. The Vedas are not monotheistic in that only one god exists. There are many many gods. I am not learned in Sanskrit myself.
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Then you cant be 100% sure if you cant verify it in Sanskrit yourself.

I do not follow any religious groups anymore. So i believe in what they say if i cant verify it. And i also reject most of what they say and believe anyways, if it contradicts the Holy Scripture.
 
Jumi

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W3bcrowf3r said:
Not everyones reading is the same. I believe how more you read how better your reading skills will be. Dont forget that the majority of people didnt know how to read in those times, which means that the level of the Scriptures is already optimised for those people.
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Optimized? Even the Bible quotes from things that are cultural knowledge. Reading without that knowledge leads to misconceptions.

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I also believe that how more languages you know, how better you become in learning new ones.
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Somewhat true, but it's more true if they are related languages. If I try to learn Arabic it's very hard for me, whereas languages like my own or ones related to English are much easier.

W3bcrowf3r said:
So dont worry about me.
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I don't, I just say what I think about it.
 
Dawnofhope

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W3bcrowf3r said:
Interesting. Good to see you.

So have you completed the reading of the Vedas?

I cant imagine that they are just fabricated polytheistic Books. There are billions who claim to be Hindu, would they really not have at least a Scripture that is Truelly inspired by the One True God..
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The Vedas are vast and ancient, so no.

As a Baha'i a natural starting point is Krishna who we regard as a 'Manifestation of God' along with Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha and Zoroaster.

Vishnu is God along with Brahman and Shiva. It could be useful to consider the three as different aspects or personalities of the One God,much like the Trinity in Christianity. Many Hindus won't see it that way though.

The most useful references for Krishna along with the Gita is the 10th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam.

Many Hindus (more Vaishnavas but not Siavites) believe Krishna is the 8th Avatar of Vishnu and Buddha is the 9th Avatar. For some there's belief about a future Kalki Avatar that could be analagous to the Meitreya Buddha or the Return of Christ.

The sacred texts of the Hindus, unlike the Quran and to a lesser extent the Gospels are hard to authenticate. The Hindus are not people of the book like Abrahamics so theological ideas will have evolved very differently.
 
W3bcrowf3r

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adrian009 said:
The Vedas are vast and ancient, so no.

As a Baha'i a natural starting point is Krishna who we regard as a 'Manifestation of God' along with Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha and Zoroaster.

Vishnu is God along with Brahman and Shiva. It could be useful to consider the three as different aspects or personalities of the One God,much like the Trinity in Christianity. Many Hindus won't see it that way though.

The most useful references for Krishna along with the Gita is the 10th Canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam.

Many Hindus (more Vaishnavas but not Siavites) believe Krishna is the 8th Avatar of Vishnu and Buddha is the 9th Avatar. For some there's belief about a future Kalki Avatar that could be analagous to the Meitreya Buddha or the Return of Christ.

The sacred texts of the Hindus, unlike the Quran and to a lesser extent the Gospels are hard to authenticate. The Hindus are not people of the book like Abrahamics so theological ideas will have evolved very differently.
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Hmm.. maybe they are just misinterpretating the Vedas. Like the trinitarians do with the Gospel.

I dont believe Christ is God, but Hes son. The Son is not the Father. And i believe only the Father is God, the One and Only God.
 
Dawnofhope

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W3bcrowf3r said:
Hmm.. maybe they are just misinterpretating the Vedas. Like the trinitarians do with the Gospel.

I dont believe Christ is God, but Hes son. The Son is not the Father. And i believe only the Father is God, the One and Only God.
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I agree with Jesus being the Son of God and we will easily discuss our views with reference to the Gospels. Hindus have a very different paradigm.

The best way I learn about Hinduism is talking to Hindus, preferably in person.
 
Valjean

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W3bcrowf3r said:
Interesting. Good to see you.

So have you completed the reading of the Vedas?

I cant imagine that they are just fabricated polytheistic Books. There are billions who claim to be Hindu, would they really not have at least a Scripture that is Truelly inspired by the One True God..
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They can be interpreted pantheistically, panentheistically, polytheistically, or even monotheistically -- though the latter seems, to me, a stretch. On casual reading they seem clearly polytheist.

Modern "Hinduism" isn't a single, homogenous religion. It's an amalgamation of hundreds of regional traditions. There are some common themes, and respect for the Vedas, but I don't think you'll find any Hindus using the Vedas as a life guide the way you find Christians or Muslims using their scriptures.

There are four Vedas, and you'd find them a long read.
If you want a book that reflects many of the themes and beliefs of modern Hinduism, I'd go for the Bhagavad Gita. It's pretty short.

W3bcrowf3r said:
What is the word God in Sanskrit?
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Every sect seems to elevate their deity of choice to henotheistic status. Ishwara is probably the most generally used Name for the collected deities of Hinduism, I think.
 
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Marcion

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W3bcrowf3r said:
I wonder if the Vedas are also inspired by the One and Only God, our Father, who created the Heavens and the Earth, your God, my God, the God of everything and everyone.

Now i am reading a translation, but the translation is polytheistic. And i don't trust translations, because 99% of the translations that i saw of different religious Holy Books were sectarian and polytheistic.

So my question is. Does someone know Sanskrit? And could he explain if the Book is Monotheistic?

I am already busy with learning Greek, Arabic, Hebrew. And maybe i will add Sanskrit, if it's a Holy Book inspired by God as well.

PS: I do not follow any organised religion. I think they are all the same. I pray at home. I try to follow every Word that comes out of the Mouth of God, because i want to use them as Light and Guidance and Inspiration.
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I think the oldest Veda (Rg Veda) was composed in the Vedic language originally outside India by the Aryans living in what is now South Russia and they were still polytheistic just like the Europeans of those days were, they worshipped the "gods of the forces of nature".
The later Veda's were composed in Sanskrit, the language of India (quite close to Vedic) and are much less polytheistic.
 
Valjean

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adrian009 said:
I agree with Jesus being the Son of God and we will easily discuss our views with reference to the Gospels. Hindus have a very different paradigm.
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VERY!

The best way I learn about Hinduism is talking to Hindus, preferably in person.
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LOL -- Talk to a dozen Hindu's from a dozen different regions and you might discover 12 different 'religions'. :D
 
firedragon

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W3bcrowf3r said:
I wonder if the Vedas are also inspired by the One and Only God, our Father, who created the Heavens and the Earth, your God, my God, the God of everything and everyone.

Now i am reading a translation, but the translation is polytheistic. And i don't trust translations, because 99% of the translations that i saw of different religious Holy Books were sectarian and polytheistic.

So my question is. Does someone know Sanskrit? And could he explain if the Book is Monotheistic?

I am already busy with learning Greek, Arabic, Hebrew. And maybe i will add Sanskrit, if it's a Holy Book inspired by God as well.

PS: I do not follow any organised religion. I think they are all the same. I pray at home. I try to follow every Word that comes out of the Mouth of God, because i want to use them as Light and Guidance and Inspiration.
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Vedas? You can argue its polytheistic but I believe its monotheistic. Well, I don't know the language so I am ashamed to say that I cant talk with so much authority. But I think na thasya prathima asthi says a lot.
 
Dawnofhope

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Valjean said:
VERY!


LOL -- Talk to a dozen Hindu's from a dozen different regions and you might discover 12 different 'religions'. :D
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Ain't that the truth.:D

Its like trying to grasp a cloud in the palm of your hand lol.
 
TransmutingSoul

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W3bcrowf3r said:
I wonder if the Vedas are also inspired by the One and Only God, our Father, who created the Heavens and the Earth, your God, my God, the God of everything and everyone.

Now i am reading a translation, but the translation is polytheistic. And i don't trust translations, because 99% of the translations that i saw of different religious Holy Books were sectarian and polytheistic.

So my question is. Does someone know Sanskrit? And could he explain if the Book is Monotheistic?

I am already busy with learning Greek, Arabic, Hebrew. And maybe i will add Sanskrit, if it's a Holy Book inspired by God as well.

PS: I do not follow any organised religion. I think they are all the same. I pray at home. I try to follow every Word that comes out of the Mouth of God, because i want to use them as Light and Guidance and Inspiration.
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Well done to you, follow your heart it will guide you.

"O SON OF SPIRIT! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting."

Regards Tony
 
Valjean

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firedragon said:
Vedas? You can argue its polytheistic but I believe its monotheistic. Well, I don't know the language so I am ashamed to say that I cant talk with so much authority. But I think na thasya prathima asthi says a lot.
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How are you deriving monotheism from this?
There are levels of reality. In some there can be a god or Gods, but ultimately there only "IS," -- No God, no image.

A thousand clear references to a thousand different deities, and you find a single sentence which can be interpreted monotheistically?
Please.
 
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Marcion

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adrian009 said:
Ain't that the truth.:D

Its like trying to grasp a cloud in the palm of your hand lol.
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So where did this nonsense come from of speaking of so-called 'Hinduism' as a religion?
There is Dharma and there is Vaedic diiksha and Tantric diiksha, but what is the use of speaking of so-called religions? It is too much theoretical to have any value in terms of real spiritual philosophy.
Someone who believes in universalism cannot at the same time speak of religions, it is a form of hypocrisy. There, I finally said it.:D
 
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Valjean

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Marcion said:
So where did this nonsense come from of speaking of so-called 'Hinduism' as a religion?
There is Dharma and there is Vaedic diiksha and Tantric diiksha, but what is the use of speaking of so-called religions? It is too much theoretical to have any value in terms of real spiritual philosophy.
Someone who believes in universalism cannot at the same time speak of religions, it is a form of hypocrisy. There, I finally said it.:D
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When the British overran India they weren't interested in religion or ethnography. They just lumped all the benighted savages East of the Indus river "Hindus," and their various religions "Hinduism."
 
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