And then again, "Christendom" is the source of your canon. Good luck with that.
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What Did Jesus Mean?
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And then again, "Christendom" is the source of your canon. Good luck with that.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Boy! Have you got things scrambled....
Where did I say that? I said that cherubs are the guardians and that the angel who became satan was there as a "covering cherub" in Eden according to Ezekiel. It is why he was there in the garden calculating the right time to do his best to sway the woman over to his argument, filling her mind with doubts and influencing her to break God's law. He obviously targeted the woman to get to the man.
Once that cherub became satan, he was no longer in the service of his God but had now become his adversary.
There are more than two cherubs. The ones God sent to guard the way to the tree of life were faithful angels...satan was not among them.
Both Ezekiel and John saw 4 "living creatures" (not beasts)....in both instances these guardians are cherubs all around Jehovah's throne. One in front, one in back and one at each side. These cherubs each have representations of God's 4 cardinal attributes....do you think that God would tolerate the devil as a guardian around his celestial throne?
Cheesh! These are the two carved (not living) cherubs that covered the the top of the ark of the covenant in the most holy compartment of the tabernacle and then the temple. God spoke to the Moses from above the cherubs.
There have been various suggestions about how the cherubs may have looked.
The Bible is God's word....all of it. It has one author and is one story from Genesis to Revelation. Referring to other books to back up what it says is not adding to it...it's reinforcing it.
But he didn't. The meaning of the Revelation was for God to reveal in his own due time.
They did not even have an understanding of what "the Lord's day" meant. The "sacred secret" has unfolded gradually as Jehovah's "great day" approaches.
This is "Babylon the great"....a 'greater' Babylon than the original city after which it is named, because it now encompasses the whole earth. Original Babylon is the springboard from which all false worship sprang. If you trace the beliefs that originated in Babylon, you will see a common thread running through all of the religions in the world. The core of their beliefs usually include a multiplicity of gods, especially trinities. There is belief in an immortal part of man that leaves the body at death. There is usually a place of heavenly bliss for the righteous, and a hell of eternal punishment, usually terrible suffering in flames, for the wicked. This core runs through all false worship in some form or another, and were taken all over the world after the flood when Nimrod became the first man to elevate himself as "a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah". The Tower that he built in Babel was more than likely a ziggurat that was to be used for false religious purposes. God put a stop to that, but the ideas that were adopted back then went with
Babylon the great gave birth to all her daughters....including Christendom. Her beliefs clearly identify her as part of a religious system that God views as a spiritual whore.
Before Christ Jesus came into this world Satan's true name was Lucifer and then Christ Jesus changed the name of Lucifer to Satan.
Luke 10:18--"And he ( Jesus) said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightening fall from heaven"
Isaiah 13:12--"How art you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning"
Now according to what God has given in the book of Ezekiel 28:14-15,
14--"You are the anointed cherub that covereth"
15--"You was perfect in your ways from the day you was created"
What was that, that Lucifer covered at the Throne of God's?
Now in the book of 1 kings 6:23, there were only Two Cherubim's that stood by the throne of God's.
Lucifer was one, but who do you suppose would be the other one that stood by the throne of God's?
It's not hard to figure out who the other Cherubim is, Once you understand the book of Revelation, Who the other Cherubim is?
So there were only 2 Cherubim's that stand before the Throne of God's.
You said in your post above ( The Bible is God's word....all of it. It has one author and is one story from Genesis to Revelation. Referring to other books to back up what it says is not adding to it...it's reinforcing it.)
Maybe you should read Revelation again, There is no where in Revelation that Christ made any mentioning of any other books of the bible.
Why is that ?
Could be the book of Revelation is not like all the other books of the bible, that Christ is giving everything and is interpreting everything in Revelation himself.
So that there would be no reason or need, to go to any of the other books in the bible.
If to what your saying (Referring to other books to back up what Revelation says)
So what your saying is, that we shouldn't be taking Christ Jesus at his word on his Interpretation of Revelation.
That we need the other books of the bible, to help us to understand Revelation, because we can't take Christ Jesus word on his Interpretation of Revelation.
You can't be serious.
Let's take Revelation 17 for a good example.
We all know pretty much that God has angels as his messenger's,Ok
In Revelation 17:1 here we find an angel saying to John ( Come here, I will show unto you the judgement of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters)
So God thru his Angel throughout
chapters 17 & 18 is giving the interpretation of the Mother of Harlots to John, of who she is, what is to happen to her at God's Judgement seat.
So seeing God is giving the Interpretation of the Mother of Harlots
in chapters 17,18, Then why does anyone need any other books of the bible.
Seeing God himself is doing the Interpretation of who the Mother of Harlots is and what is to happen to her at the Judgement seat.
When you go to other books of the bible, All your doing is taking away from what God is sayng in the book of Revelation.
God doesn't need to have his word Reinforced in Revelation.
If God did, then God, himself would spoken about other books in the bible in Revelation, But God didn't, that's because God doesn't need to have his word to be Reinforce by other books of the bible.
When someone has to go to other books of the bible, all their showing is, that they can not take God at his word on his Interpretation of Revelation.
Can't you trust God at his word. If you have to go to other books of the bible to Reinforce what God is saying in Revelation.
That shows you can not take God at his word in Revelation.
You would to show by proof where God ever said anything about other books of the bible in Revelation.
If you have to go to other books of the bible, to try and explain The Mother of Harlots.
That shows you can not take God at his word of who The Mother of Harlots is, and what is to happen to her at the Judgement of God's.
God foretold to John in Revelation Chapters 17 & 18, who The Mother of Harlots is and what is going to happen to her at the Judgement of God's.
Seeing that God foretold everything that there is to know in Revelation, about The Mother of Harlots in Revelation 17 & 18, Then why is there need to go to other books of the bible.
When God already foretold it all in the book of Revelation himself.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Can you show in John Chapter 3 where it say as you say ( born again" is in reference to being born of God, whose "seed abides in him",
Can you show in John chapter 3 where it said this.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
As far as the Kingdom is concerned, let me use what the Bible says:
Matt.3[2] "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Matt.4[17] From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Matt.10[7] And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
Matt.12[25] Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand;
Matt.16[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Etc.
Jesus makes it clear that the kingdom is at hand, not just in heaven.
Also note the JW judgement of John that he cannot go to heaven, whereas the Bible actually says:
Matt.7
Matt.3[2] "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Matt.4[17] From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Matt.10[7] And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
Matt.12[25] Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand;
Matt.16[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Etc.
Jesus makes it clear that the kingdom is at hand, not just in heaven.
Also note the JW judgement of John that he cannot go to heaven, whereas the Bible actually says:
Matt.7
- [1] "Judge not, that you be not judged.
- [2] For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.
Luke.6[37] "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; - John.8[15] You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one.
- Etc.
- Also note that no where in the scriptures is there any statement that the dead saints cannot pray for the living saints. Therefore, how could one supposedly know that they can't? Therefore, what we see with the JW is that their claim that they only use what's actually in the Bible is bogus.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
John 3:16 is often called "the Bible In a Nutshell" because it points to the bottom line of what's necessary for salvation, and it goes like this:
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
So, does the Catholic Church teach this? Of course it does and always has, as do almost all other Christian Churches. Therefore, the JW concept that these churches sunk into apostasy and no longer teach God's word is just another JW fabrication that simply is not rooted in scripture or even common sense.
The apostles were not perfect people as he NT attests to, nor is there any promise by Jesus that the Church and all people in it will be perfect. Matter of fact, the Church is for sinners because if we all were perfect we wouldn't need a church.
And notice how the JW predictions of the "end of time" have never materialized, and then they took it a step further by claiming that certain events happened in heaven instead, which begs the question how could they possibly know that? Oh, but they only believe in the Bible they say. Well, I think that at least most of us here know better.
Paul said that the Church is "one body", which certainly would leave the JW's out as it's a much more recent institution that makes numerous bogus claims that counter what the Bible actually says while they condemn all other churches as being "apostate".
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
So, does the Catholic Church teach this? Of course it does and always has, as do almost all other Christian Churches. Therefore, the JW concept that these churches sunk into apostasy and no longer teach God's word is just another JW fabrication that simply is not rooted in scripture or even common sense.
The apostles were not perfect people as he NT attests to, nor is there any promise by Jesus that the Church and all people in it will be perfect. Matter of fact, the Church is for sinners because if we all were perfect we wouldn't need a church.
And notice how the JW predictions of the "end of time" have never materialized, and then they took it a step further by claiming that certain events happened in heaven instead, which begs the question how could they possibly know that? Oh, but they only believe in the Bible they say. Well, I think that at least most of us here know better.
Paul said that the Church is "one body", which certainly would leave the JW's out as it's a much more recent institution that makes numerous bogus claims that counter what the Bible actually says while they condemn all other churches as being "apostate".
I find No Scripture stating Jesus dead physical body was resurrected especially since Jesus had a pre-human spirit person existence in the heavens and ' flesh ' (physical) can Not inherit the kingdom as per 1 Corinthians 15:50
Jesus got his physical body from mother Mary. Mary came from the dust tracing back to father Adam.
If one is born of woman, and then born of God, ergo, one is born again. Now if you had been born of God, you would have already known that. Now if you are a son of the devil, and his son Paul, you are also born again, but that would put you in the house of the sinners (1 John 3:8), as a tare, and destined for "destruction" (Matthew 7:13) & Matthew 13:30.
As God will give attention to Earth, King Jesus will also give attention and govern over Earth.
Those two witnesses of Revelation 11:3 witness or prophecy for 1,260 days.
We are told they are symbolized by the two olive trees and two lampstands which are described in Zechariah's prophecy.
Those two olive trees picture or represent Governor Zerubbabel and High Priest Joshua. - Zechariah 4:1-3,14
Then, the two witnesses are described as performing signs similar to Moses and Elijah in comparing Revelation 11:5-6 with Numbers 16:1-7; Numbers 16:28-35 and 1 Kings 15:1; 1 Kings 18:41-45.
The common denominator link in each case is about the anointed ones God chose during difficult times of testing.
Those particular imprisioned anointed ones were symbolically killed off for 3 1/2 days.
That seeming killing off causes joy to opponents as per Revelation 11:8-10.
True to Revelation's words at the end of the 3 1/2 days those 'spiritually' killed off ones come back to life.
Since Revelation (Revelation 1:10) is set for our day or time frame ' those who come to life spiritually ' now care for the spiritual needs of the Christian congregation as a whole - Revelation 11:11-12; Matthew 24:45-47.
Also, interesting to me that Revelation 11:1-2 links events to a time when the ' spiritual temple ' was measured or evaluated.
Malachi chapter 3 mentions a similar inspection of the spiritual temple followed by a cleansing time - Malachi 3:1-4.
So, to me, this cleansing period of time involves 1,260 days (42 months) as do the symbolic 3 1/2 days in connection or linked to Revelation chapter 11. A spiritual refining work being done in our day - Titus 2:14.
I might add, that if one should "believe in him", they would heed his testimony (Matthew 7:24). Something none of the daughters of Babylon actually seem to do. He came to fulfill the Law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17), which by the way, have not been fulfilled as yet, and yet your average "Christian" has nailed the Law and the prophets (OT/old) to the cross, or have simply made it obsolete. Not a wise move, even if it comes from the false prophet Paul and his associates. And the "Christians" wonder why they are in confusion (babel), being that there are around 38,000 "Christian" sects. When the "many" follow someone who is all things to all men, it is a wonder that there are not many more sects. Apparently there are fewer goats than sheep.
May I please suggest that you take the time to consider your own desire to preserve your own JW sovereignty?
Per your Revelation 11:1-2, the "nations"/Gentiles, are left "outside the temple", to tread the "holy city" "under foot" for "forty two months".
Per your Malachi 3:1-4, the "messenger" who will "clear the way before me" is John the Baptist, who was beheaded, and who "make ready the way of the LORD" (Matthew 3:3).
John 3:13...."Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man. "
What Bible are you reading? This clearly states that no one went to heaven before Jesus....that was the point.
John the Baptist did not perform miracles. He was like Elijah in his mission....he was not a reincarnation of Elijah because the Jews would never have accepted him as a prophet. His father was told that he would "have Elijah's spirit and power"......it wasn't the power to perform miracles...it was the persuasive power of his words....turning the Jews back to God and repenting of their sins...publicly.
Since when is "the church" built on what Paul taught? Paul did not contradict a single word that Christ said. The 'tares' were the builders of an apostate church which took the words of the NT, mixed them up with Roman beliefs and traditions, and twisted them all out of shape. Roman Catholicism was in every way a Roman invention incorporating Roman religious traditions.....nothing to do with Paul.
Constantine was not a Christian...he was an astute politician whose only interest in religion was the consolidation of his divided empire. Making Roman Catholicism the state religion meant retaining all the things that the pagan Romans already enjoyed and adding a thing veneer of Christianity to it along with a label that made the Christians happy also. It was never "Christian" from its beginnings. (Matthew 7:21023) Paul had nothing to do with any of it.
Name a "holiday" that is celebrated by the church and you will not find a single mention of it in the Bible. Jesus is not in Easter...he is not in Christmas...he is not in the mass.....he is nowhere to be seen in Christendom....on this we agree....but it is nothing to do with Paul...you are blaming the wrong person and slandering a chosen vessel to Christ. I'd be careful about that if I were you.
So its the word of the church, not the word of God....? The canon was from God, not the church. Do you honestly believe that God would allow an apostate church to decide what is to be included in his word? They tried with the Apocrypha...but it had no place and was removed by those who came after. God decides what is in his word....or does he not have the power to do that in your opinion?
What is God's Kingdom metis? Can you give me a theological description of what the Catholic church says it is and how it "comes"? (Matthew 6:9-10) Then can you correlate it to the scriptures you provided.
"What" exactly is "at hand"?
Since Jesus said that no one can enter the Kingdom of God who is not "born again"...what does that mean to a Catholic believer? I don't recall them ever mentioning it.
Well I guess the sad part about that statement is the fact that you think its a judgment...like John was somehow not good enough....?
It was a statement of fact in accord with what the Bible says about salvation. Nothing to do with judging anyone as unworthy of going to heaven. Humans were never meant to go to there in the first place.....earth was intended to be our permanent home. There was no natural cause of death mentioned to Adam and his wife. The only way to die was to disobey....and death meant exactly that.....they would cease to exist and Adam was told that he would return to the dust from which he was created. (Genesis 3:19) No heaven or hell.....just life or death.
The need for a savior and a kingdom was brought about by Adam's sin. (Romans 5:12) Had Adam and his wife remained obedient to God's command, they never would have died, and their children would never have needed the blood of Jesus to cleanse them from the sin they inherited through no fault on their part. Earth was never supposed to be a training ground for heaven. The very fact that God chose some from among mankind to rule with Christ in his heavenly kingdom was because the human condition is unique to us. Every ruler in that kingdom has lived life as a human being, including its King. They will be empathetic rulers and priests for sinful mankind who will be saved to benefit from their rulership, including the countless dead who will return from their graves. (John 5:28-29) That kingdom will lead all redeemed humanity back to God. That is its sole purpose.
That could be because there were no dead saints alive in heaven to pray to. There was to be no resurrection of the "saints" until Jesus returned. Do you believe Paul when he said that?
"For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will by no means precede those who have died. 16 For the Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call and with the sound of God’s trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air; and so we will be with the Lord forever." (1 Thessalonians 415-17 NRSVCE)
This is with reference to the "saints". When Jesus returns he will raise those "dead in Christ" first. So at his return those already dead are still sleeping and were to be awakened.....those who are left alive at the end of this system will be transformed into spirit beings so that they too can go to heaven. Do you see the two groups there? Those who are "dead in Christ" will be resurrected...and those who are alive when he returns will be transformed as Paul said...."Listen, I will tell you a mystery! We will not all die, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." (1 Corinthians 15:51-52 NRSVCE) Two groups metis....both are "saints" but experiencing a different way to go to heaven.....this does not happen until Christ's return.
God is the one who chooses the "saints" not the church. Since John the Baptist died before Christ opened the way to heaven, he will not be among the "saints". It has nothing to do with judging him as he will no doubt have a very important role in the earthly realm of the Kingdom and enjoy its blessings as Revelation says....
"And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “See, the home of God is among mortals.
He will dwell with them; they will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them;
4 he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the first things have passed away.”
5 And the one who was seated on the throne said, “See, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this, for these words are trustworthy and true.” (Revelation 21:2-5)
This is the good news of God's Kingdom as the Bible explains it. The church is way off the mark on this IMO.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Jesus was drawing a line we should all be aware of
and somehow....the crowd at hand was oblivious
if you are not the least in heaven.....WHERE?.....are you
and John would be a tough guy to follow
camel hair shirts
eating wild honey
long walks in the wilderness
and the least in heaven is greater
Read the scripture again metis. What does it say about those who do not believe in him? Does the church teach that they will "perish"? or does it teach that there is a heaven and hell scenario? There is no heaven or hell in original Christianity.
What does it mean to "believe"? What of those like the Pharisees who "believed" but whom Jesus condemned to gehenna? What about the demons? They "believe" too but it won't do them any good. (James 2:19)
What is that famous scripture really saying? You obviously have no idea....the church does not teach what it says at all.
I agree....the perfection with which God created us was taken away by two disobedient human beings who had not an excuse in the world to do what they did. But does that mean that we can't look forward to getting back what they lost?
What does "perfect" mean? It means without defect....something that fulfills the role for which it was designed....perfectly. We were originally designed to be perfect....it is this expectation that often leaves us feeling disappointed when things are not prefect...or the way we think they should be.
Sin creates the imperfection in us. It is sin that Jesus came to remove. The "church" down through time has proven to be less than perfect as history shows....but the church that Jesus began was to facilitate approach to God through Jesus, a man who committed no sin.....it was not through Mary or saints...but through Jesus alone that we are to approach God. The church denies what the Bible says. (1 Timothy 2:5)
The church wandered so far off the path that it actually created a new one....but it is a dead end, because there is very little that is taught in Christendom that is from the Bible. (Matthew 15:8-9) Church tradition and adopted beliefs form the bulk of what Christendom believes...they have never known anything else, and are told to have faith in the church. The trouble was, the church had no faith in God's word and like Judaism before it, fell into the trap of adopting traditions of men over the word of God. History is repeating as the Bible said it would.
There were no predictions metis....we simply saw various years as milestones that could have heralded the end of the present system with all its woes and the introduction of the Kingdom rule that Jesus promised. We were told to "keep on the watch" for the events that would indicate when it was near...so we did. (Matthew 24:3-14; 42-44) We are ready when Jesus is....are you? The greatest tribulation in the history of the world is coming.....do Catholics believe that? (Matthew 24:21)
The "Church" is not the pathetically divided mish-mash that is Christendom. (1 Corinthians 1:10) When Jesus returns to judge the world, the ones who claim to be Christians, but who have failed to imitate Jesus in their teachings or their deeds, are going to be very disappointed.
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’" (Matthew 7:21-23)
"NEVER" means "not ever". Jesus has never recognized the "church" that followed in the footstep of his wayward nation of Israel into complete apostasy.
We see the prophesy in Daniel 12:4; 9-10 as very significant. It was going to be in "the time of the end" that God would cleanse, whiten and refine" his worshippers, making available an "abundance" of knowledge. Why would such a "cleansing" be necessary unless God's people had fallen into old traps? Knowledge as we know, dispels ignorance, so there was going to be a people in this time period who would be cleansed and separated from those who were still wallowing in spiritual filth...by the knowledge that God would provide. Those who took the 'bath' were clean in God's eyes as they gradually shed the false doctrines and practices held in common in Christendom. It is our choice to stay in that system or to obey God's command in Revelation 18:4-5...
"Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,
“Come out of her, my people, so that you do not take part in her sins, and so that you do not share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities."
If you cannot identify Babylon the great, you cannot obey that directive. You will notice that God says this to his "people", so how did they get "in" Babylon the great to start with? The church defected, taking God's people with them. Only in the time of the end would the identity of Babylon the great become clear so that "God's people" could follow his command to remove themselves from that disgusting system. Christendom's friendship with the world clearly makes them God's enemies. (James 4:4) Just as Jesus led the lost sheep out of Judaism, so he is leading the lost sheep out of another apostate religious system.....in droves.
Like it or not....that is my understanding of the scriptures.
Your being a little more than a little double minded. The canon came from the Roman church, which you portrayed as being a harlot religion along with the original leaders of the Protestant religion. If you should dare to read the testimony of Yeshua, you would find out that he prophesized that the "tare seed" would be planted among the good seed, in the same field (NT), by the enemy (Matthew 13). The canon in question is the NT, not your stalking horse the "Apocrypha". As for powers of the spirit of God, read Revelation 13:14. "Those who dwell on the earth", are those that are deceived. How are they deceived? By the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine and his Roman church.
Well, well, well. Easter and the Trinity came out of the Nicene Council convened by the Roman emperor Constantine. Christmas is celebrated on the birth date of Sol Invictus, the god of Constantine, who told Constantine to conquer under the sign of the cross. Constantine' church is led by the Supreme Pontiff, the pope, the heir of Peter, the Pontifex Maximus, the office passed down through Julius Caesar to the Roman emperors. Constantine built cross like churches, basilicas, to both Peter and Paul for their glory. You chose the wrong horse. According to the duplicitous Eusebius, Constantine was baptized. Your NT canon came from Athanasius, who was at the Nicene Council. As for being careful, Yeshua warned against "false prophets" and to not believe anyone who says "he is in the wilderness" (Matthew 24:26).
I believe that Babylon the great is a world empire created by the devil to siphon off worship for himself. It encompasses all false religion whose doctrines originate in original Babylon. The canon came from God....what does it matter whom he used to compile it? He can use even his enemies for his own purpose.
That is apparently your take on those things...but who else shares your beliefs? How do you come to these conclusions?
We have a very different take that is shared by all in our brotherhood. You see we must all agree or we are in the wrong camp. None of the first Christians believed things that other Christians didn't. No one would believe that the 'tares' are scripture because Jesus said that the wheat were "sons of the Kingdom" which would be his true disciples. The field he says was "the world" so the seeds sown by the devil are counterfeit Christians. These would grow together until the end of the present age. Why do you change what Jesus said?
The tares were the work of the devil, planting apostates in the Christian faith, leading them away from the truth. (2 Peter 2:1)
The Apocrypha is not inspired scripture and has no place in the canon. These writings are out of harmony with the rest of he Bible.
The beast with the two horns like a lamb, we understand to be the Anglo-American dual world power...the last ruling entity before the King of God's kingdom crushes all corrupt human governments under the influence of their god, our of existence. (Daniel 2:44)
We see the fulfillment of Bible prophesy but it is nothing like your interpretation.
You can believe whatever you like, but you have to understand that if you are the only one who holds these views then you may very well be out on a very lonely limb.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
As to how do you get ( Since Revelation (Revelation 1:10) is set for our day or time frame)
What's happening in Revelation 1:10,
John is standing on the day of Christ Jesus 2nd coming to earth, to see Christ Jesus 2nd coming to earth to give the accounts of what's happening just before Christ Jesus returns to earth, and what takes place after Christ Jesus has returned to earth
You said --> ( So, to me, this cleansing period of time involves 1,260 days (42 months) as do the symbolic 3 1/2 days in connection or linked to Revelation chapter 11. A spiritual refining work being done in our day)
Those 1,260 days is the time that the Gentiles are treading under foot the outer court of the temple grounds in Jerusalem, Just before Christ Jesus returns to earth.
As for the 3 1/2 days they are not Symbolic as you say they are. No, those 3 1/2 days are literally 3 1/2 days, and not Symbolic as you say they are.
As to where do you get those 3 1/2 days as being symbolic where do get that at, Who told you that?
The two witnesses when they are killed and lay out in the street of Jerusalem
for 3 1/2 days, and then after 3 1/2 days have expired, then God calls the two witnesses back up to heaven, and then immediately after the two witnesses are called back up to heaven, Then the 7th trumpet is sounded
(Revelation 11:15) Then Christ Jesus shows up to catch everyone on Earth in the worshipping the AntiChrist
( Satan) that ( Satan) has been masquerading around the world, By deception that ( Satan) has deceived the whole world into believing that he is Christ Jesus.
As to where do you get that those two witnesses ( Those particular imprisioned anointed ones were symbolically killed off for 3 1/2 days)
Those two witnesses are not Symbolic but are literally two people. Who God sent down here on Earth to be God's witnesses to what is happening on Earth, and then those two witnesses are killed and lay in the street of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, and then when the 3 1/2 days have expired, then God calls them up to heaven and then the 7th trumpet is sounded
( Revelation 11:15) then Christ Jesus shows up to catch everyone in the worshipping the AntiChrist ( Satan) which Satan has been masquerading by deception around the world deceiving the whole world into believing that he is Christ Jesus.
This being the Hour of temptation that is given in Revelation 3:10.
This is the Hour of temptation that Satan will be masquerading by deception to deceive the whole world into believing that he ( Satan) is Christ Jesus by deception to deceive everyone on Earth.
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