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Where is Satan?

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Desert Snake

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Samantha Rinne said:
Argh, enough with the fixation about Satan.

Alright, let's get something straight. Christians aren't Zoroastrian, they don't believe in two gods. God is our god, Satan is an angel.

That you don't understand what angels are is clear. Angels are not really fluffy white wingedhumans at all, the word comes from "message". Satan isn't even a bad angel. He's doing exactly what God told him to do (1) see if humans are prone to excess by appealing to their id nature, (2) accusing them of flaw, (3) sometimes pushing them to be more through their insecurities, sometimes making them crazy.

Adam and Eve ate the fruit, and the consequences of this is we don't see an "it's all cool" world, we see a world of light and darkness, where we declare things good or evil. That means that along with the angels that give us good messages, one of them tells you stuff like "he already gave up on you, you should quit trying" or "you need to work harder at your job, you gotta be perfect."

Satan cannot really hurt any of us, it's just playing with our heads. God rules this world. The other rulers are tenants like the ones in Jesus's story of the vineyard. They try to kill the supervisors, and they tried to kill the heir. But their power will be stripped from them.
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That's a lot of nonsense.:thumbsup:
 
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Shiranui117

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
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74x12 said:
Most demons have territories. For example there was the "prince of Grecia" and the "prince of persia". (Daniel 10:20) And in Mark 5:9-10 we see the demons did not want to be cast out of the country they were in.

However, with satan himself; it is different. He is prince of this world. (John 14:30) The whole world is his territory.

So, Satan is often on the move. He comes to steal, kill and destroy.

And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
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I would disagree. When Christ came in glory, it was to free the whole world from bondage. Satan and the demons had their fun, but they no longer rule the world like they once did. Now their only lot is to tempt people to sin. The Earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, not Satan's.
 
1137

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Disciple of Jesus said:
Where is satan? Where do you believe, satan, is? And this is literal, this isn't metaphor. The question is either, satan is real, somewhere, or, doesn't exist.

THE QUESTION ISN'T ABOUT METAPHOR.
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"Satan" is the Christian perversion of the Prince of Darkness, known to seemingly every culture. Your free will, your higher consciousness, your ability to question, manipulate, and go against nature/God - that's where Satan is.
 
1137

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
74x12 said:
He comes to steal, kill and destroy.
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Satan flooded the world? Tried to destroyed all other religions? Punished us for seeking out own freedom? Burned Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground? Supported witch hunts, Inquisition, crusades, and moral panics? He all for animal sacrifice and scolded Cain for not bringing him blood? He made his own son suffer while being capable of doing anything?

The second we apply ANY thought to Christianity it becomes clear Satan is the hero.

Hockeycowboy said:
He's here at the Earth. He's always had access, but now he is confi ned (he and his cronies, i.e., demons) Revelation 12:7-12.
This war already happened, soon after God's Kingdom was established 'in the midst of its enemies.' Psalms 2; Psalms 110

This is one reason the world's in worse shape now than it ever has been!
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Is this similar to Cthulhu of Lovecraft? Is he literally imprisoned on our planet, using his mind to corrupt mankind?

Disciple of Jesus said:
Yes, we write the names, Lucifer, and satan, however, that means, what, exactly? Youre very vague.

I've read your archetype scenario, it doesn't make sense to me. Clearly not universal archetype.
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The Prince of Darkness? He absolutely is universal.

Princes(ses) of Darkness


Afro-Brazillian - Pomba Gira

Akan - Anansi

Anishinaabe - Nanabozho

Australian - Crow

Aztec - Huehuecóyotl

Babylonian - Ishtar

Celtic - Andarta

Chinese - Jiutian Xuannü

Chinese - Monkey King

Christian - Devil, The

Eastern - Kali

Egypt - Set

Egyptian - Thoth/ Khonsu

Fijian - Daucina

Greek - Prometheus

German Romanticism - Mephistopheles

Gnostic Christians - Abaddon

Hawaiian - Kaulu

Hebrew - Lilith

Hittite - Sauska

Islamic - Iblis

Lakota - Heyoka

Native American - Coyote

Norse - Loki and Children

Norse - Odin

Persian - Ahriman

Polynesian - Maui

Roman - Lucifer

Russian - Kutkh

Semetic - Azazel

Semetic/Egyptian - Asarte

Slavic - Veles

Sumerian - Innana

Thelemic - Awaiz (Awaiss)

Turkish - Erlik

Yezidi - Melek Taus[/quOTE][/QUOTE]
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
ecco said:
Source?
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Little time -will try to get the exact verses later -but I assumed the Satan of the bible, so the source is the bible.

While we can't revisit history -even more so the history of spirits -in person, experience is the source which shows which things are possible, likely, certain, etc.
It's a bit like reverse-engineering the universe to reveal how it must have formed -but actually more difficult as personalities are involved.
Not having experience of darker spiritual activity is a good thing, so I don't advise seeking it -but there are many things written about it which are now happening -and having an extreme effect on world events and leading them to the end declared from the beginning (though it is not always apparent that is what it is).

From a perspective of belief in what is written in the bible, in-depth and open-minded study beforehand coupled with experience and watching world events happen exactly as written (not applying after the fact) increases confidence in its accuracy.
So.... Many things written therein about the spirit realm and its history (and much else) will only be factually confirmed as we experience the rest of what is written.

For example... It is written that men -when made immortal -will judge the affairs of angels -so belief in angels won't be a huge problem at that point.

Meanwhile, the correctness of the commandments as the best course of action is self-apparent. Even those who do not believe in God should be able to agree with the underlying principles of each -and know they would produce a wonderful world if universally kept (which will happen later -and beyond -it was pretty much impossible to do everything right the first time).
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
1137 said:
"Satan" is the Christian perversion of the Prince of Darkness, known to seemingly every culture. Your free will, your higher consciousness, your ability to question, manipulate, and go against nature/God - that's where Satan is.
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Metaphor. personal, perspective.

Completely not biblical, either.
 
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`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
It could be that our `satans` are in our own minds !
There is no satan, evil is mankind's doing alone !
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Disciple of Jesus said:
Where is satan? Where do you believe, satan, is? And this is literal, this isn't metaphor. The question is either, satan is real, somewhere, or, doesn't exist.

THE QUESTION ISN'T ABOUT METAPHOR.
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I believe that Satan is real, but I don't believe he is a corporeal being. In other words, he has no form. I believe he is "the devil," the antithesis of all that is good and righteous and the enemy of all who seek to follow God. He has no body; he is a being comprised solely of spirit. He and his followers exist wherever someone is tempted to act contrary to what he knows to be right. In other words, he is the force that tries to influence us to do chose evil over good.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Katzpur said:
I believe that Satan is real, but I don't believe he is a corporeal being. In other words, he has no form. I believe he is "the devil," the antithesis of all that is good and righteous and the enemy of all who seek to follow God. He has no body; he is a being comprised solely of spirit. He and his followers exist wherever someone is tempted to act contrary to what he knows to be right. In other words, he is the force that tries to influence us to do chose evil over good.
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Ephesians 2:2
One of his names, notes this characteristic, I believe.
 
Dell

Dell

Asteroid insurance?
Hockeycowboy said:
I've seen videos of this guy before...he cherry picks much of his stats from different time frames, and opinionates most of his data through rose-colored glasses.

And how many worldwide have access to these medicines? I take it you don't live in Northern Africa or Southeast Asia.

And infectious diseases are increasing!
Emerging Infectious Diseases

Some of those already known, are becoming antibiotic-resistant.



Yes, for the most part....it fluctuates. What's more important is the quality of family life they will have. That's going down.


Correct. But living a peaceful one? Unlikely: people are more selfish and meaner.


For whom?
"Political instability. In countries facing political instability, the resulting decline of the economy reduces the value of the country’s currency, leading to higher food prices and less nutritious food available for purchase (FAO, WFP, & EU, 2018). The loss of jobs in a declining economy also impacts people’s ability to afford food, as income declines as well (FAO, WFP, & EU, 2018). Countries like the Democratic Republic of Congo, South Sudan, Yemen and Venezuela are examples of countries in which political instability is currently affecting food security (FAO, WFP, & EU, 2018).

Food and agricultural policy. A lack of adoption of more productive technologies for agriculture in lower-middle-income countries contributes to large differences in amount of crops produced when compared with upper income countries (FAO, 2017). Within regions, the gap between potential crop yield and actual crop yield can be as large as 76 percent, as seen in Sub-Saharan Africa (FAO, 2017).

Also, past agricultural practices implemented to increase crop yield have unintended consequences in the form of land and soil degradation, and using up or polluting the available groundwater (FAO, 2017). This then affects future capacity for food production, as these resources have been permanently depleted (FAO, 2017). However, more countries are beginning to adopt “conservation agriculture,” where various strategies are used to prevent the rapid depletion of scarce natural resources (FAO, 2017).

Climate change. Throughout the previous 30 years, natural disasters have become increasingly common (FAO, 2017). Unstable weather patterns can lead to drought – in 2016, El Niño was responsible for conditions of severe food insecurity for 20 million people (FAO, WFP, & EU, 2018). On the other extreme, hurricane and cyclone seasons have produced more powerful storms, causing damage to livelihoods, agricultural production and local market prices, in countries in the Caribbean and Asia (FAO, 2017). In agricultural-driven areas, especially in parts of Africa (Somalia, southeastern Ethiopia, and countries in West Africa), drought has driven economic, food production and political stability crises (FAO, WFP, & EU, 2018). For countries facing prolonged conditions or yearly disasters, undernutrition worsens, as there is little time for recovery (FAO, 2017)."
Source:World Hunger, Poverty Facts, Statistics 2016 - World Hunger News

See directly above.


For whom? If anything, it makes people fat and lazy. (But then, many need a coping mechanism for the stress that these modern times bring.)
Since 1945, yes. From 1914 to 1939? No. Before 1914? No way!


Since when? In the last 20 years? Debatable. From before 1914? No way!


And so have costs, to get it.



It seems some, though, are getting more and more violent.



So could I....discussing people's attitudes toward other human beings.

Yes, technology has increased, but what good is going 240,000 miles to the moon, when so many can't even walk down their street to the grocery, in peace? is that really advancement?
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Hmm... if you could be reborn in any past century up to today, what would you pick?
 
David T

David T

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Disciple of Jesus said:
Where is satan? Where do you believe, satan, is? And this is literal, this isn't metaphor. The question is either, satan is real, somewhere, or, doesn't exist.

THE QUESTION ISN'T ABOUT METAPHOR.
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Running about asking about satan.. I mean after all satan is the great dececptor and satan herself is obviously his greatest victim. The perfect couple.

I like to be an equality satan explainer.
 
Dell

Dell

Asteroid insurance?
Disciple of Jesus said:
Where is satan? Where do you believe, satan, is? And this is literal, this isn't metaphor. The question is either, satan is real, somewhere, or, doesn't exist.

THE QUESTION ISN'T ABOUT METAPHOR.
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When we got divorced she move back to south Louisiana... :rolleyes:
 
74x12

74x12

Well-Known Member
Shiranui117 said:
I would disagree. When Christ came in glory, it was to free the whole world from bondage. Satan and the demons had their fun, but they no longer rule the world like they once did. Now their only lot is to tempt people to sin. The Earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, not Satan's.
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Then why did John say the whole world lies in the evil? Some translations such as the RSV say the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)

Who persecutes the Christians? Who had Paul beheaded and Peter crucified? There certainly is a devil.
 
74x12

74x12

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1137 said:
Satan flooded the world? Tried to destroyed all other religions? Punished us for seeking out own freedom? Burned Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground? Supported witch hunts, Inquisition, crusades, and moral panics? He all for animal sacrifice and scolded Cain for not bringing him blood? He made his own son suffer while being capable of doing anything?

The second we apply ANY thought to Christianity it becomes clear Satan is the hero.
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Satan tempted the world and him and his fallen angel buddies led the world into evil practices that then caused God to send the flood to wipe out their memory from the earth because they had greatly corrupted it. God gave the people 120 years to repent before the flood came. But they refused to listen or believe. And so the flood came on schedule.

God doesn't "try" to destroy all other religions. If God wanted to do that; He would just do it. He doesn't try or fail. Whoever tried to do that in the name of Christ was quite possibly a self serving person attempting to conquer for their own benefit and using the name of God as an excuse.

God doesn't punish people for seeking their freedom because freedom is found in realizing who you really are in God. Without God; we're nothing. As Solomon figured out in the book of Ecclesiastes "vanity of vanities; all is vanity" that is "under the sun". So everything in our life is vain on this earth. We live and die and that's the end of it. If you believe in reincarnation: then suppose you're reborn and then what? More vanity, more emptiness.

But to God we're something special. God's love sets us free. Fear is tyranny. Fear is torture. Sin is bondage. We're the children of God. But we all had forgotten the face of our Father. But good thing He can show us again and did so in the face of Jesus Christ. Our self worth is found in Him; because we believe we are what He says we are. That's not vanity.

Again Sodom and Gomorrah. Satan tempted them to sin and he knew the consequences was their destruction.

How do you know God supported "witch hunts" "inquisitions" "Crusades" and "moral panics"? I think you're intelligent and understand that what people claim God supports is not necessarily what He actually supports. So it's good to understand the cunning of the real enemy. While we're playing checkers; they're playing 3-D chess.

I don't think God scolded Cain. God spoke kindly and reasonably to Cain. If you read the story; He refused to accept Cain's offering(for not stated reasons) and Cain became very angry at his brother. Cain was not in real trouble over this incident. He just needed to stop being angry and not hate his brother. Instead he let Satan tempt him to kill his brother. Satan knew he could destroy both brothers at once. One would be morally destroyed and the other physically destroyed. This way the prophecy of the "seed of the woman" bruising the "serpent's head" would not take place. However, later on Seth was born and that was the chosen bloodline of the Messiah.

Satan's goal has always been to corrupt, hinder, accuse, tempt and ultimately destroy mankind because he knew from the get go that the "seed of the woman" would bruise his reptilian head.

As for Jesus suffering. Jesus is God manifest. God cannot die. So He made Himself a (mortal, human)body to inhabit. This is the Son of God. So, God is capable and did do something. God proved His love for humanity.

Because we know God is love and greater love has no one than this: that they lay down their life for their friend.
 
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Faithofchristian

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Disciple of Jesus said:
Where is satan? Where do you believe, satan, is? And this is literal, this isn't metaphor. The question is either, satan is real, somewhere, or, doesn't exist.

THE QUESTION ISN'T ABOUT METAPHOR.
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Seeing you gave nothing to explain your reasoning where Satan is.
Where do you think Satan is.

Now let's see if your answer will line up to what Christ Jesus said where Satan is and see if your answer will line up to where Christ Jesus said in the book of Revelation where Satan is.
If you were to ask me, then I would refer you to read what Christ Jesus said where Satan is.
 
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Faithofchristian

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74x12 said:
Most demons have territories. For example there was the "prince of Grecia" and the "prince of persia". (Daniel 10:20) And in Mark 5:9-10 we see the demons did not want to be cast out of the country they were in.

However, with satan himself; it is different. He is prince of this world. (John 14:30) The whole world is his territory.

So, Satan is often on the move. He comes to steal, kill and destroy.

And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
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Do you don't actually believe that Satan is actually here on Earth?

Alot of people are being taught this, But it's not what man's teachings will say, where Satan is.
But what does the teachings of Christ Jesus tell where Satan is.

I find it amazing that how people will lean on man's teachings and over look the teachings of Christ Jesus.
But yet these people will say, Lord,Lord.

And find Jesus saying to these people.
"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:46
 
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