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What is presented in standard Bibles, as the Biblical law, how it pertains to Christians.

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I believe that attribution has no foundation.

I believe the verse does not say it is in effect only that it still exists.

I believe the author wrote that of the covenant not of the law but the old covenant was a covenant of law and the new covenant a covenant of grace. There is no doubt that grace supersedes law.


Rom. 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death

It is evident that you have chosen the testimony of the false prophet Paul, over the Word of God, and the testimony of Yeshua, which is the Spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10), which is the petras (foundation stone) upon which the house of David is built on (Matthew 16:17-18). And no, Paul nor his followers were set free from the law of sin and death, and they all died.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
While there is no baptism for the dead in "Scripture", there is baptism for the dead in the writings of Paul (1 Corinthians 15:9). And no, the wicked die twice, one's at the end of their lives, and once at the white throne judgment, at the end of the millennium, after being raised from the dead and judged (Revelation 20:13-15).

I find the ' twice dead ' of Jude 12 is in reference to the ' second death '.
The final judgement as far as Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth ' before ' the start of Jesus' 1,000-year rule begins, those haughty goat-type people will experience ' second death ' with No further chance of a resurrection ( being considered as twice dead ) because the wicked are destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7.
The executional words from Jesus' mouth at the time of Matthew 25:31-33 is toward those haughty goat-types as mentioned at Isaiah 11:3-4 and Revelation 19:14-16.

The raised dead of 1 Corinthians 15:16 are either the firstfruits of verses 20,23, or those who have are Not first but future as described at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....
A resurrection of both righteous/just and unrighteous/unjust but Not wicked ones - Proverbs 2:21-22.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
.............. And no, Paul nor his followers were set free from the law of sin and death, and they all died.

Like us they all died as we die, but they were set free (as we are set free because of Jesus' ransom - Matthew 20:28)
In other words, I find they are entitled to a resurrection. Some as first fruits (Revelation 20:6) and the majority of mankind entitled to a ' future ' resurrection during Christ's millennium-long day of governing over Earth, or as Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Per Matthew 5:18, "until heaven and earth pass away, not one stroke shall pass away from the Law"
...pass away from the law ..... I find as in meaning Messiah would accomplish all the Law required and Jesus did as Matthew 5:17 lets us know. That is why Romans 10:4 can say Christ (Messiah) is the end of the Law.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
...pass away from the law ..... I find as in meaning Messiah would accomplish all the Law required and Jesus did as Matthew 5:17 lets us know. That is why Romans 10:4 can say Christ (Messiah) is the end of the Law.

Matthew 5:17 reads "the Law or the Prophets". Neither the Law, whereas God rests on the 7th day, 7th millennium, nor the "Prophets", whereas the "awesome day of the LORD" have occurred as of this point in time.

As for what the false prophet Paul says, that would be the wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13 & 15).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Like us they all died as we die, but they were set free (as we are set free because of Jesus' ransom - Matthew 20:28)
In other words, I find they are entitled to a resurrection. Some as first fruits (Revelation 20:6) and the majority of mankind entitled to a ' future ' resurrection during Christ's millennium-long day of governing over Earth, or as Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......

There is going to be a resurrection, such as the whole house of Israel (Ezekiel 37:11-12), and none of the elect will have the "mark of the beast" (Revelation 20:4), which would preclude the followers of Paul and his church. As for the resurrection of the wicked (Acts 24:15), who will remain in the grave for the millennium (Revelation 20:5), they will be raised for the white throne judgment, and be judged along with all the dead according to their deeds (Revelation 20:13). As for the bogus "rapture", it will be the "tares" who are gathered "first" and "burned" (Matthew 13:30).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Like us they all died as we die, but they were set free (as we are set free because of Jesus' ransom - Matthew 20:28)
In other words, I find they are entitled to a resurrection. Some as first fruits (Revelation 20:6) and the majority of mankind entitled to a ' future ' resurrection during Christ's millennium-long day of governing over Earth, or as Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......

They certainly were not set free from sin nor death As for being entitled to a resurrection, all will be raised from the dead at the white thrown judgment, which follows the millennium (Revelation 20:11-13).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I find the ' twice dead ' of Jude 12 is in reference to the ' second death '.
The final judgement as far as Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth ' before ' the start of Jesus' 1,000-year rule begins, those haughty goat-type people will experience ' second death ' with No further chance of a resurrection ( being considered as twice dead ) because the wicked are destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7.
The executional words from Jesus' mouth at the time of Matthew 25:31-33 is toward those haughty goat-types as mentioned at Isaiah 11:3-4 and Revelation 19:14-16.

The raised dead of 1 Corinthians 15:16 are either the firstfruits of verses 20,23, or those who have are Not first but future as described at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....
A resurrection of both righteous/just and unrighteous/unjust but Not wicked ones - Proverbs 2:21-22.

Your twice dead of Jude 12 would be the walking dead who also succumb at their deaths. They would be the fat shepherds who eat the fat of the lambs and will be supplanted by "My servant David" (Ezekiel 34). The "wicked" are not "destroyed forever" until they are thrown into the "lake of fire" after the millennium.(Revelation 20:5,11-15), but the "wicked will be cut off from the land" (Proverbs 2:22).
 
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