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Cain and Abel

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Were they twins and did one represent the positive and the other negative? or dark and light?


were they born of adam or the Lord?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
good questions...and Cain is the elder brother

both are offspring of Adam and Eve
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I tend to believe it's more of an allegory that shows the conflict between good and evil and the consequences of the latter.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I would prefer a wider look over the situation
It was not Cain vs Abel.....though it did seem to have a serious event detailed
Cain did kill Abel
probably with a rock

maybe you noticed?......God was still hanging around
even though the garden had been dismantled

and God was not so much about good vs evil.....
more to ....What have you done????!!!!!
and now the consequence you will suffer
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
btw......something else of note....

Moses wrote as if he was there......but likely not

so God was dictating the event as Moses gave listen?
God was lending detail to an event far before Moses and
Moses would then scribe as God did say?

is that an assumption we can make for this discussion?
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Were they twins and did one represent the positive and the other negative? or dark and light?


were they born of adam or the Lord?

According to The Urantia Book they were half brothers. Very interesting read no matter how you feel about the content.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
So cain was from the serpent and abel was from adam?

Hell, no. You need to read at least this part of the book to get a whole new perspective on the entire situation. It tends to make more sense than anything you've ever come across before.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Hell, no. You need to read at least this part of the book to get a whole new perspective on the entire situation. It tends to make more sense than anything you've ever come across before.
you said they were half brothers. they either had different fathers or different mothers? save me the scoop on the poop, please?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Hell, no. You need to read at least this part of the book to get a whole new perspective on the entire situation. It tends to make more sense than anything you've ever come across before.
per the urantia book.

evidently cain had a father that was not adam. adam came from the land of the first eden which was taken over by the nodites.

the 2nd eden is where abel was born to adam and eve. evidently the spiritual system was of some nodite construction

so either the book of urantia is wrong or the hebrew torah is wrong.

the urantia book says the 1st eden you couldn't travel west of it because of an expanse of water and they had no boats. so the edenites went further easterward between the tigris and euphrates river. or Hiddikel or Chidekel (the Tigris), and Phirat (the Euphrates)

the torah says that Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. the urantia books states that the nodites lived north of eden and eventually west of the new eden.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
per the urantia book.

evidently cain had a father that was not adam. adam came from the land of the first eden which was taken over by the nodites.

the 2nd eden is where abel was born to adam and eve. evidently the spiritual system was of some nodite construction

so either the book of urantia is wrong or the hebrew torah is wrong.

the urantia book says the 1st eden you couldn't travel west of it because of an expanse of water and they had no boats. so the edenites went further easterward between the tigris and euphrates river. or Hiddikel or Chidekel (the Tigris), and Phirat (the Euphrates)

the torah says that Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. the urantia books states that the nodites lived north of eden and eventually west of the new eden.

Exactly. But it's way more involved than that. It's has to do with Eve's infidelity and the true explanation for the fall of Lucifer. Can't do the story justice on the forum, it really needs to be read .
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
I tend to believe it's more of an allegory that shows the conflict between good and evil and the consequences of the latter.
And shepherd vs farmer. Cain is punished for cooking veggies but there isn't a place where it said veggies wasn't allowed.

Also, we learn that if you're the first ever murderer, you get a nice family and a town to found. The good guy is still dead, though.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
And shepherd vs farmer. Cain is punished for cooking veggies but there isn't a place where it said veggies wasn't allowed.

Also, we learn that if you're the first ever murderer, you get a nice family and a town to found. The good guy is still dead, though.
well gee...that was a little thin.....

Adam and Eve were driven from the garden
and the assumption (yes it is).....as punishment for disobedience
and Adam was told the earth would resist him....and
he would earn his keep by the sweat of his brow

Cain followed suit
Abel did not

and the notion of sacrifice jumps into play WITHOUT explanation

care to go on from this point?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Exactly. But it's way more involved than that. It's has to do with Eve's infidelity and the true explanation for the fall of Lucifer. Can't do the story justice on the forum, it really needs to be read .
the serpent isn't lucifer. the serpent is a prophet - soothsayer. the gods of eden wanted to keep mankind ignorant, in the dark. ignorance of the law isn't an excuse for the law.


Dan(=Judge) shall be a serpent H5175 by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Were they twins and did one represent the positive and the other negative? or dark and light?


were they born of adam or the Lord?

The point is, Who's the father of Cain and Able?
Adam is not the father of Cain.
Adam is the father of Able.

Twin's come about when both are of the same father. But not in this case, Able being the son of Adam.
And Cain is not the son of Adam.

You will not find Cain in the Genealogy of Adams.
Able not there, because Able didn't live long enough to have children to be included in the Genealogy of Adams.

There's no where written, that Adam ever claimed Cain as his son.
There is no where Adam claimed Able as his son either.

But what we do have is two child's being born by Eve. So which child is Adams and which is not Adams.

We find Eve saying "For God has appointed me another seed ( child) in the place of Able, whom Cain killed. Genesis 4:25.

Keeping in mind Eve said ( another seed)
So this takes us back to Genesis 3:15, where God said ( And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed).

So what we find is Able being the seed of the woman, For Eve did say back in Genesis 4:25, "For God has appointed me another seed in the place of Able.
So it is Able being the seed ( child) of Eve's

Back in Genesis 3:15, We find God saying that there would be enmity between the serpent seed and the woman's seed.

Seeing Eve only had two sons, and that Able being replace by Seth.

So which of the two ( Cain and Able) do you suppose would be the seed ( child)
Of the Serpent?
Will naturally Cain would be the seed of the Serpent, Seeing Eve said that God has appointed her another seed ( child) to replace Able.
So Able was the seed (child) of the woman and Cain being the seed (child) of the Serpent.
Compare Genesis 3:15 to Genesis 4:25.
Keep in mind ( seed)
Able being the ( seed) of Eve
and Cain being the seed of the Serpent.

Eve had two sons, one being her seed
(child)
and the other seed (child) being of the Serpent.
For God did say, I will put enmity between your seed and the woman's seed.
Genesis 3:15

And Eve did say, God has appointed me another seed in the place of Able.
Genesis 4:25.

So one seed belonging to Eve and the other seed belonging to the Serpent.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
the serpent isn't lucifer. the serpent is a prophet - soothsayer. the gods of eden wanted to keep mankind ignorant, in the dark. ignorance of the law isn't an excuse for the law.

Dan(=Judge) shall be a serpent H5175 by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Had you studied throughout the bible, you would haved found, that God gave to Lucifer many alias names to Represent Lucifer.
Such as
Satan.
The Serpent.
The wicked one.
The fallen one.
The Rebellious one.
The Devil.
The Evil one.
Death.
The lawless one
The false prophet
The Antichrist
The son of perdition
The son of destruction
The man of sin
The father of lies
The disobedient one

If you had read Isaiah 14:12 ( How are you fallen from heaven O Lucifer)

Seeing Lucifer fallen from heaven.

And Christ Jesus said in Luke 10:18---"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven"

Now isn't that amazing, here in
Isaiah 14:12 Lucifer fallen from heaven.
And Christ Jesus saying Satan fall from heaven in Luke 10:18.
Looks like Lucifer and Satan being one and the same, fallen from heaven.

Satan is just Alias name for Lucifer.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Had you studied throughout the bible, you would haved found, that God gave to Lucifer many alias names to Represent Lucifer.
Such as
Satan
The Serpent
The wicked one
The fallen one
The Rebellious one
The Devil
The Evil one
And Death
The lawless one
The false prophet
The Antichrist
The son of perdition
The son of destruction
The man of sin
The father of lies
The disobedient one

If you had read Isaiah 14:12 ( How are you fallen from heaven O Lucifer)

Seeing Lucifer fallen from heaven.

And Christ Jesus said in Luke 10:18---"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven"

Now isn't that amazing, here in
Isaiah 14:12 Lucifer fallen from heaven.
And Christ Jesus saying Satan fall from heaven in Luke 10:18.
Looks like Lucifer and Satan being one and the same, fallen from heaven.

Satan is just Alias name for Lucifer.

the bible doesn't say the serpent was wicked. it says it was the wisest of all god's creatures. jacob was subtil too and became the patriarch of israel.


the serpent was made to go upon it's belly, or its instinct, and to eat the dust. strangely enough the man was too.

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;


Gen 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:


Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."


He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
the bible doesn't say the serpent was wicked. it says it was the wisest of all god's creatures. jacob was subtil too and became the patriarch of israel.


the serpent was made to go upon it's belly, or its instinct, and to eat the dust. strangely enough the man was too.

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;


Gen 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:


Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."


He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.

Why are you skipping over Genesis 3:15. Which explicitly God saying there will be enmity between the woman's seed and the serpent seed.

Seeing Eve only had two sons, one being her seed and the other being the serpent seed.

Throughout the bible are the Alias names that God and Christ given to Lucifer.

What exactly does the curse of the law have to do with Cain and Able anyway?

Here you go, over onto another subject that has nothing to do with Cain and Able.

At the time of Cain and Able there was no law, the Law didn't come until about 2000 years later at the time of Moses went up into the mountain to receive the law from God.
So maybe you need to get your facts straight before you go into the bible, which shows, you know little to nothing about what the bible will say and confirm's.

And by the way, you have no idea or clue what the curse of the law is. What law is that according to what is written in the bible?

So what law is that, That became a Curse?
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Why are you skipping over Genesis 3:15. Which explicitly God saying there will be enmity between the woman's seed and the serpent seed.
i'm not. most folks do not like to be reproved. only the wise know that they will learn something from it.


Proverbs 9:8
Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.




Seeing Eve only had two sons, one being her seed and the other being the serpent seed.
both cain and abel came from eve. you're obviously blinded by "your" hatred
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
i'm not. most folks do not like to be reproved. only the wise know that they will learn something from it.


Proverbs 9:8
Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.




both cain and abel came from eve. you're obviously blinded by "your" hatred


Are you that blind, that you can not read.
I said Eve had two sons.

Had you read my post #18 ---> Seeing Eve only had two sons, one being her seed and the other being the serpent seed)

As to where your going, who knows.
 
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