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James vs Paul

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
James versus Paul

The Trial

Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.
Derailed
23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men [and] brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. {that's not even true, is is}

Romans 4:22-25 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. {aka the doctrine of imputed righteousness}

James 2:21-24 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Idolatry

Paul
1Cor.10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. {he means their conscience, not yours}

James
Acts.15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.

Jesus
Rev.2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

... to be continued ...
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Romans 4:22-25 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. {aka the doctrine of imputed righteousness}

James 2:21-24 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Romans 6; 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (works)

Eph 4:
25 Wherefore putting away lying,speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down uponyour wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stolesteal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth*.
29 Letno* corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Works...

you were saying?



Paul
1Cor.10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. {he means their conscience, not yours}

James
Acts.15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.

Don't see a problem here.
 

Palehorse

Active Member
Peter VS Paul. Peter will lose and after the acopolypso the Catholic church will be built on Paul...
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Peter VS Paul. Peter will lose and after the acopolypso the Catholic church will be built on Paul..

Palehorse

Pal, if you are not a great spitter.,./\.,./\.,.

You are not truly "one" of us.

Either you wise up---[ ].,.,,,become more rounded ( )

Or you will be stuck in time (.0

Or I will request that you post a copy of your birth certificate--

Which is it-?

 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Based on current mathematical evaluations---
conducted over several years by observers
looping in an un-elliptical way around our <sun>

An asteroid will hit the city of Tel Aviv in the night; at mid-night

two years +/- from today.

At least we can be grateful that so many will be asleep at the-----

Time


Still all is not lost

Cause I still hear you today :)-
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Peter VS Paul. Peter will lose and after the acopolypso the Catholic church will be built on Paul...

At the "end of the age" (Matthew 13:40-41), Peter the "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:23), and Paul, the "lawless" one, one who commits "lawlessness, will be gathered with their tare followers, and "cast" "into the furnace of fire". Apparently, the followers of both will have their problems.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
James versus Paul

The Trial

Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.
Derailed
23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men [and] brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. {that's not even true, is is}

Romans 4:22-25 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. {aka the doctrine of imputed righteousness}

James 2:21-24 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Idolatry

Paul
1Cor.10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. {he means their conscience, not yours}

James
Acts.15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.

Jesus
Rev.2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

... to be continued ...
What Paul said was true. He was being sneaky, but it was true. Jesus is the resurrection (John 11:25) and that's why they had taken him to the Sanhedrin. Because he was teaching about Jesus.

As for justification by faith in Jesus' work on the cross. It's a true doctrine as we find Jesus Himself saying "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6:29)

And Isaiah's prophecy (ch. 53) of Jesus:
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."

And ...

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."

Apostle John said:
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2)
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
What Paul said was true. He was being sneaky, but it was true. Jesus is the resurrection (John 11:25) and that's why they had taken him to the Sanhedrin. Because he was teaching about Jesus.

As for justification by faith in Jesus' work on the cross. It's a true doctrine as we find Jesus Himself saying "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6:29)

And Isaiah's prophecy (ch. 53) of Jesus:
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."

And ...

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."

Apostle John said:
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2)

And yet you remain in your iniquities, and your infirmities remain. "Sin no more less something worse over comes you". (John 5:14)
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
And yet you remain in your iniquities, and your infirmities remain. "Sin no more less something worse over comes you". (John 5:14)
No one is saying repentance isn't necessary. Just arguing against the false idea that Jesus is not solely responsible for our forgiveness, justification and salvation.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
No one is saying repentance isn't necessary. Just arguing against the false idea that Jesus is not solely responsible for our forgiveness, justification and salvation.

Apparently that position isn't working for you, because apparently, since you remain afflicted, then forgiveness, has apparently skipped your household. As for "salvation", saved from what? "Everyone will die for his own iniquity" (Jeremiah 31:30).
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Apparently that position isn't working for you, because apparently, since you remain afflicted, then forgiveness, has apparently skipped your household.
Jesus was afflicted. Did forgiveness skip His household?

Isaiah 53:4

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. (Matthew 16:24)

Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all. (Psalm 34:19)
As for "salvation", saved from what? "Everyone will die for his own iniquity" (Jeremiah 31:30).
Interesting ... then tell me who is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world?

You know what Yeshua/Joshua means? Salvation?

If you deny the need for salvation; then you have no need of Jesus Himself who is the Savior.

Obviously we are saved from sin and death.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Jesus was afflicted. Did forgiveness skip His household?

Isaiah 53:4

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. (Matthew 16:24)

Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all. (Psalm 34:19)

Interesting ... then tell me who is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world?

You know what Yeshua/Joshua means? Salvation?

If you deny the need for salvation; then you have no need of Jesus Himself who is the Savior.

Obviously we are saved from sin and death.

As per Jeremiah 31:30, no man is saved from death, regardless of the message of the Serpent (Genesis 3:3) and his son Paul (1 Cor 15:52).. Yeshua means "YHWH saves". One is only saved from committing sin by means of being born of God (1 John 3:8-9). The sinner, the one who sins, is born of the devil. The righteous can be healed by means of the prayer of a righteous man. The plagues of the daughter of Babylon, require one to come out of her. (Revelation 18:4)

As for taking up one's cross, that quote was with respect to one must take upon themselves the rejection of their family. Matthew 10:35-38 One must loose their old life.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
As per Jeremiah 31:30, no man is saved from death, regardless of the message of the Serpent (Genesis 3:3) and his son Paul (1 Cor 15:52).. Yeshua means "YHWH saves". One is only saved from committing sin by means of being born of God (1 John 3:8-9). The sinner, the one who sins, is born of the devil. The righteous can be healed by means of the prayer of a righteous man. The plagues of the daughter of Babylon, require one to come out of her. (Revelation 18:4)

As for taking up one's cross, that quote was with respect to one must take upon themselves the rejection of their family. Matthew 10:35-38 One must loose their old life.
I notice you don't comment on Psalm 34:19 which says the afflictions of the righteous are many. The fact is the righteous will be afflicted because Satan is real and this world is lying under his power and Satan will fight the righteous as much as he is allowed to do. They must overcome Him by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of their testimony and love not their lives to the death.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I notice you don't comment on Psalm 34:19 which says the afflictions of the righteous are many. The fact is the righteous will be afflicted because Satan is real and this world is lying under his power and Satan will fight the righteous as much as he is allowed to do. They must overcome Him by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of their testimony and love not their lives to the death.

You need to reread Psalms 34:13-22. It says that "evil slays the wicked". Psalms 34:19-20 reads, "Many are the afflictions of the righteous; but the LORD delivers him out of them all. He keeps all his bones; not one of them is broken". I don't think Psalms 34:19:20 is about 74x12. The LORD hears the prayers of the "righteous" (Psalms 34:15), but does not listen to the wicked/sinner (John 9:31).

The afflictions of the righteous are not the "plagues" of the daughters of Babylon (Revelation 18:4). They would be persecution, and death, such as beheading because "of the testimony of Yeshua and because of the word of God" (Revelation 20:4). As per Psalms 34:15-18, "the eyes of the LORD are toward the righteous, and His ears are open to their cry.... The righteous cry and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles". "The face of the LORD is against evildoers". Those with the mark of the beast will drink from the cup of God's wrath (Revelation 14:10). You might want to look into what a mark on the hand and forehead encompasses, and how "Christians" are marked, and from what source.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Romans 6; 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

Ro.7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.

Who is the husband in that verse?
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.

Who is the husband in that verse?

Are these works?

Romans 6; 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (works)

Eph 4:
25 Wherefore putting away lying,speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down uponyour wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stolesteal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth*.
29 Letno* corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Peter the "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:23)

Jesus forgave Peter.

Matthew 17:1-2
And after six days Jesus taketh
Peter, James, and John his brother,
and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
And was transfigured before them:
and His face did shine as the sun,
and His raiment was white as the light.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
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Ro.7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.

Who is the husband in that verse?[/QUOTE
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I asked you that question for a reason.

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Are these works?

Romans 6; 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (works)

Eph 4:
25 Wherefore putting away lying,speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down uponyour wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stolesteal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth*.
29 Letno* corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.[/QUOTE
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To whom do those /\ works belong?

The same man who gave you those works, says this \/ about the Works of the Law.

Ep.3:2 Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Ro.3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Paul was specifically against the Works of the Law.
 
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