Put on your oven mitts folks, you are going to need them:

SkepticThinker said:

I have to wonder how many times over the past few thousand years that people have said all this stuff about "final phases" and "end days" and all that stuff. Just within the last century there have been many. Everybody always seems to think the end of the world is near. Ho hum, nothing new to see here.
I just think it's bizarre that people would hope for it. I'd rather people take care of the only earth we have to live on, while we're here in the only life we know we are getting for sure.

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Sure I too find many times people have said about end days, but wrong guesses does Not make the Bible as wrong just makes the guesses as wrong.

Matthew 24:14 has never, never before been in the ' final phase ' as it is internationally today.
What is new here is that even modern technology has made rapid Bible translation possible so that people even living in remote areas of Earth can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native language.
Remote translation offices are located right where the people live.

The reason why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come is to come and bring the good conditions that exist in heaven to come exist here on Earth:
There is No crime in Heaven, No war in Heaven, No sickness in Heaven, and No death in Heaven, so we are asking God to bring those same healthy conditions to Earth.- Revelation 22:2.

God wants us to take care of Earth, so He too would rather people take care of the only Earth we have to live on.
While we are here we know we are alive. At the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth, the figurative humble 'sheep'-like people of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 alive on Earth can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-pyear governmental rule over Earth begins. As Jesus healed and resurrected people in the first century, that is what Jesus will again do, but this time on a grand-global scale. Even ' enemy death ' will be brought to nothing - 1 Corinthians 15:26.

Wild Fox said:

You cannot be so blind not to see what is happening. Record temperatures, disappearing habitat, increasing disease rates, increasing piles of trash - land fills, wasting or resources and so many other things happening at an increasing rate from human activity. The words in the bible will not make things better. We have to take responsibility. Take a moment from reading your book and see what is really happening.

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What do you see blind about the people described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 in these last days of badness on Earth ?
I find those selfish people are the cause of what you posted above. That is what is really happening !
We can Not be responsible for those people, only oneself and those we can help.
Because we can't change the world is why God will have Jesus step in to help righteous mankind.

Wild Fox said:

Are you saying god created a zoo for humans? Really? Aren't we part of this "Zoo" too?
And I am not sure where these Christians you are talking about but they like most of us are doing too little to late. I certainly do not see them doing much where I live or have visited.

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If only animals were on Earth we would Not be part of that ' zoo ', so to speak.
Don't expect to see much where you live or visit because we are in the last days of bad people on Earth.
The executional words that will come out of Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of such selfish people.
Mankind is past the point of No return, that is why Jesus will involve himself into mankind's affairs.
Otherwise, there would be No hope for humanity -> Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16; Proverbs 2:21-22

ecco said:

Who gets to define "Real Christians"? You? Based on what moral authority?

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Based on the moral authority as found at Matthew 7:16-18, 20 by one's ' fruits ' (behavior/conduct) Galatians 5:22-23.

Audie said:

Or like the "true" spirit of Christmas, about which no
two agree. (spirit?)

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Since I find No ' spirit of Christmas ' in Scripture, then there is No real biblical ' spirit of Christmas '.
Unless one can consider that Santa is the god of Christmas.

Audie said:

We are taught, btw, to put the welfare of our families above
our own personal preferences. To "love" everyone out there
more than you do yourself is absurd. (suicidal, for one thing)

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I find soldiers are to kill for their country, but who says giving their life for country is suicidal _______
In some wars soldiers of one faith kill soldiers of the same faith but that live in different countries.
To me that is what is absurd. It is No wonder to me that Jesus taught to lay down the sword - Matthew 26:52.

URAVIP2ME said:

I find soldiers are to kill for their country, but who says giving their life for country is suicidal _______
In some wars soldiers of one faith kill soldiers of the same faith but that live in different countries.
To me that is what is absurd. It is No wonder to me that Jesus taught to lay down the sword - Matthew 26:52.

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Why? If Muslims of country A are trying to take over country B of other Muslims, why wouldn't the Muslims of country B defend themselves by killing, if necessary, those Muslims of country A? Think the Muslims of country B should let the Muslims of country A take over their country simply because they're Muslims?

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Skwim said:

Why? If Muslims of country A are trying to take over country B of other Muslims, why wouldn't the Muslims of country B defend themselves by killing, if necessary, those Muslims of country A? Think the Muslims of country B should let the Muslims of country A take over their country simply because they're Muslims?
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During the world wars Christians of this country killed Christians of another country.
If they were genuine ' wheat ' Christians they would Not kill their ' brother '
If they were truly spiritual ' brothers ' they would be loving their ' brother ' Not killing him.
So, like those so-called Christians, then the Muslims you mentioned must be so-called Muslims.

ecco said:

Who gets to define "Real Christians"? You? Based on what moral authority?

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URAVIP2ME said:

Based on the moral authority as found at Matthew 7:16-18, 20 by one's ' fruits ' (behavior/conduct) Galatians 5:22-23.

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Matthew 7:16 is preceded by Matthew 7:15:

It clearly states that what follows refers to prophets, not as a way to discern what does and does not constitute a "Real Christian".

Care to try again?

URAVIP2ME said:

I find soldiers are to kill for their country, but who says giving their life for country is suicidal _______
In some wars soldiers of one faith kill soldiers of the same faith but that live in different countries.
To me that is what is absurd. It is No wonder to me that Jesus taught to lay down the sword - Matthew 26:52.

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Good-freakin'-grief.
I did not say to kill for your group is suicidal.
But IF someone "loves" EVERYONE, as certain
"CHRISTIANS" like to claim they cannot be soldiers.

How simple does something have to be?

"Jesus" said to sell your cloak and buy a sword.

Or so it is claimed.

That is the wonderful thing about the "bible".

Nobody knows what anyone really said, or why, or how.
And whatever you want to read in the bible is there.

URAVIP2ME said:

During the world wars Christians of this country killed Christians of another country.
If they were genuine ' wheat ' Christians they would Not kill their ' brother '

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What is a "genuine 'wheat' Christian"? And what would be the consequences of not killing their brother Christian? As I see it, it would be the take over of one's country by foreigners. Is that worth not killing the enemy?

If they were truly spiritual ' brothers ' they would be loving their ' brother ' Not killing him.
So, like those so-called Christians, then the Muslims you mentioned must be so-called Muslims.

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I assume then that if one isn't a "genuine 'wheat' Christian" you're not a true Christian. That about it?

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ecco said:

Matthew 7:16 is preceded by Matthew 7:15:

15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.​

It clearly states that what follows refers to prophets, not as a way to discern what does and does not constitute a "Real Christian".
Care to try again?

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I Find if you continue reading down to Matthew 7:19-20 that ' every tree ' is more than every prophet.
' Every tree ' would include all persons. The fake ' weed/tares ' Christians of Matthew 13:40-41 are Not just prophets.

Any comments about Matthew 7:21-23 _____

Skwim said:

What is a "genuine 'wheat' Christian"? And what would be the consequences of not killing their brother Christian? As I see it, it would be the take over of one's country by foreigners. Is that worth not killing the enemy?
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At Matthew 13:25,30 Jesus said that planted world field of wheat would be over run, or over sown with weed/tares (imitation Christians). Both would be allowed to grow side by side until the Harvest Time. As we know a harvest comes at the end of the growing period. Jesus' faithful apostles acted as a restraint in the first century, but shortly afterwards apostate Christianity was developing (Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30) so both would take root and flourish during centuries of growing seasons with the weed/tares becoming many, and the blades of ' wheat ' being few.
They would grow undisturbed until the Harvest, or the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40. Genuine 'wheat' Christians would be known or discerned by Jesus' New commandment of John 13:34-35 by having the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.

I find the consequences are just as Jesus said at Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10.
If a take over, as you say, then Jesus would involve himself before righteous ones could be killed off.
In the world of Noah's day there was No Noah killing of the enemies, but the doing of God's will, and God saved righteous mankind, otherwise there would have been No one righteous left on Earth.
As it was for Noah, that is true of genuine Christians now. Christians are neutral in world affairs.

Audie said:

Good-freakin'-grief.
I did not say to kill for your group is suicidal.
But IF someone "loves" EVERYONE, as certain
"CHRISTIANS" like to claim they cannot be soldiers.
How simple does something have to be?
"Jesus" said to sell your cloak and buy a sword.
Or so it is claimed.

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.... and I find by saying to buy a sword would mean having it on hand thus showing that although a weapon was at hand it would Not be used as per Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10.

Just as Jesus and his first-century followers were neutral in world affairs, so today's Christians would also be neutral.

URAVIP2ME said:

At Matthew 13:25,30 Jesus said that planted world field of wheat would be over run, or over sown with weed/tares (imitation Christians). Both would be allowed to grow side by side until the Harvest Time. As we know a harvest comes at the end of the growing period. Jesus' faithful apostles acted as a restraint in the first century, but shortly afterwards apostate Christianity was developing (Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30) so both would take root and flourish during centuries of growing seasons with the weed/tares becoming many, and the blades of ' wheat ' being few.
They would grow undisturbed until the Harvest, or the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40. Genuine 'wheat' Christians would be known or discerned by Jesus' New commandment of John 13:34-35 by having the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.

I find the consequences are just as Jesus said at Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10.
If a take over, as you say, then Jesus would involve himself before righteous ones could be killed off.
In the world of Noah's day there was No Noah killing of the enemies, but the doing of God's will, and God saved righteous mankind, otherwise there would have been No one righteous left on Earth.
As it was for Noah, that is true of genuine Christians now. Christians are neutral in world affairs.

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But since there was no "Noah" would not a Christian that insisted that he existed be one of those "tares"?

Subduction Zone said:

But since there was no "Noah" would not a Christian that insisted that he existed be one of those "tares"?

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Certainly a profound insult to the god they nominally worship.

URAVIP2ME said:

I Find if you continue reading down to Matthew 7:19-20 that ' every tree ' is more than every prophet.
' Every tree ' would include all persons. The fake ' weed/tares ' Christians of Matthew 13:40-41 are Not just prophets.

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Nope, still talking about the same subject: Prophets.

URAVIP2ME said:

Any comments about Matthew 7:21-23 _____

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Well, if you wanted to refer to 21-23 you should have put that into your original post.

But let's see...

The key seems to be: only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven

Where does it specify exactly what "the will of my Father " is? We've read that it was God's will to kill the sons of a defeated army. Does that count"?


In any case, that defines who will go to heaven. Is it your contention that "Going to Heaven = Real Christian" and "Not going to Heaven = everyone else"?

URAVIP2ME said:

If only animals were on Earth we would Not be part of that ' zoo ', so to speak.
Don't expect to see much where you live or visit because we are in the last days of bad people on Earth.
The executional words that will come out of Jesus' mouth will rid the Earth of such selfish people.
Mankind is past the point of No return, that is why Jesus will involve himself into mankind's affairs.
Otherwise, there would be No hope for humanity -> Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16; Proverbs 2:21-22

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Why would not Jesus fix thing now and now wait until it is too late?

Audie said:

Actually, you wont ever find out.

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And you can no more prove that than I the opposite.

Wild Fox said:

Why would not Jesus fix thing now and now wait until it is too late?

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Or rather, I find 'before' it is too late.
Remember: by Adam breaking God's Law then Adam set up 'People Rule ' as superior to God Rule.
So, the passing of time was needed, and was given, to show if human rule is superior to God's rule.
God did Not interfere with men's kingdoms or governments because then the universe could see whether man can govern Earth successfully. The passing of time has now proven that man rule can Not bring peace to Earth.