Does the glory of God exist in acts of evil

It seems to be in man's nature to commit the most heinous acts of evil imaginable. Man is obsessed with evil. Evil is everywhere in our culture. The most advanced technologies on the planet are used for creating devices of mass murder and war.

Is committing acts of evil somehow an expression of the glory of God? In other words, if someone is committing acts of evil and they do it with style is it an expression of divine possibility?

Consider the following song as a work of art. Clearly it is about human nature being profoundly evil. And yet the song is beautiful. Is there divine value in expressions of evil or expressions about evil that are beautiful?

If not, and all forms of evil are to be shunned, what are the basic heuristics defining God's moral compass?


This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend
The end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes again

Can you picture what will be?
So limitless and free
Desperately in need
Of some stranger's hand
In a desperate land

Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's Highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby
Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake, he's long, seven miles
Ride the snake
He's old and his skin is cold
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here and we'll do the rest
The blue bus is calling us
The blue bus is calling us
Driver, where you taking us?

The killer awoke before dawn
He put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door
And he looked inside
"Father?" "Yes, son?" "I want to kill you"
"Mother? I want to..."

Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Of the blue bus, on the blue bus, on the blue bus
Come on yeah
****, ****
**** ****, ****, ****
Come on baby, **** me baby yeah
**** **** **** **** ****
Come on baby, **** me baby
**** **** **** **** ****
Come on
**** ****
Alright
**** ****
Kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end

dfnj said:

It seems to be in man's nature to commit the most heinous acts of evil imaginable. Man is obsessed with evil. Evil is everywhere in our culture. The most advanced technologies on the planet are used for creating devices of mass murder and war.

Is committing acts of evil somehow an expression of the glory of God? In other words, if someone is committing acts of evil and they do it with style is it an expression of divine possibility?

Consider the following song as a work of art. Clearly it is about human nature being profoundly evil. And yet the song is beautiful. Is there divine value in expressions of evil or expressions about evil that are beautiful?

If not, and all forms of evil are to be shunned, what are the basic heuristics defining God's moral compass?

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend
The end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes again

Can you picture what will be?
So limitless and free
Desperately in need
Of some stranger's hand
In a desperate land

Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's Highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby
Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake, he's long, seven miles
Ride the snake
He's old and his skin is cold
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here and we'll do the rest
The blue bus is calling us
The blue bus is calling us
Driver, where you taking us?

The killer awoke before dawn
He put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door
And he looked inside
"Father?" "Yes, son?" "I want to kill you"
"Mother? I want to..."

Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Of the blue bus, on the blue bus, on the blue bus
Come on yeah
****, ****
**** ****, ****, ****
Come on baby, **** me baby yeah
**** **** **** **** ****
Come on baby, **** me baby
**** **** **** **** ****
Come on
**** ****
Alright
**** ****
Kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end

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My question would be: Would you do an act of evil; and, if so, do you think god acts in the evil you commited?

dfnj said:

It seems to be in man's nature to commit the most heinous acts of evil imaginable. Man is obsessed with evil. Evil is everywhere in our culture. The most advanced technologies on the planet are used for creating devices of mass murder and war.

Is committing acts of evil somehow an expression of the glory of God? In other words, if someone is committing acts of evil and they do it with style is it an expression of divine possibility?

Consider the following song as a work of art. Clearly it is about human nature being profoundly evil. And yet the song is beautiful. Is there divine value in expressions of evil or expressions about evil that are beautiful?

If not, and all forms of evil are to be shunned, what are the basic heuristics defining God's moral compass?

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend
The end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes again

Can you picture what will be?
So limitless and free
Desperately in need
Of some stranger's hand
In a desperate land

Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's Highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby
Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake, he's long, seven miles
Ride the snake
He's old and his skin is cold
The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here and we'll do the rest
The blue bus is calling us
The blue bus is calling us
Driver, where you taking us?

The killer awoke before dawn
He put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door
And he looked inside
"Father?" "Yes, son?" "I want to kill you"
"Mother? I want to..."

Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
Come on baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Of the blue bus, on the blue bus, on the blue bus
Come on yeah
****, ****
**** ****, ****, ****
Come on baby, **** me baby yeah
**** **** **** **** ****
Come on baby, **** me baby
**** **** **** **** ****
Come on
**** ****
Alright
**** ****
Kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die
This is the end

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“I SHOOK hands with the devil.” So said the commander of the United Nations forces in Rwanda, reflecting on their failure to stop the genocide in that land during 1994. Commenting on the unbelievable savagery at that time, another observer stated: “If someone still dares to deny Satan, meet me at a mass grave in Rwanda.” Are such atrocities really the work of the Devil?

They came to the other side of the sea into the region of the Gerasenes. And immediately after Jesus got out of the boat, a man under the power of an unclean spirit met him from among the tombs. His haunt was among the tombs, and up to that time, absolutely no one was able to bind him securely, even with a chain. He had often been bound with fetters and chains, but he snapped the chains apart and smashed the fetters; and nobody had the strength to subdue him. And continually, night and day, he was crying out in the tombs and in the mountains and slashing himself with stones. But on catching sight of Jesus from a distance, he ran and bowed down to him. Then he cried out with a loud voice: “What have I to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I put you under oath by God not to torment me.” For Jesus had been saying to it: “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit.” But Jesus asked him: “What is your name?” And he replied: “My name is Legion, because there are many of us.” And he kept pleading with Jesus not to send the spirits out of the country. Now a great herd of swine was feeding there at the mountain. So the spirits pleaded with him: “Send us into the swine, so that we may enter into them.” And he gave them permission. With that the unclean spirits came out and went into the swine, and the herd rushed over the precipice into the sea, about 2,000 of them, and were drowned in the sea. But their herders fled and reported it in the city and in the countryside, and people came to see what had happened. So they came to Jesus and saw the demon-possessed man, the one who previously had the Legion, sitting clothed and in his right mind, and they grew fearful. Also, those who had seen it related to them how this had happened to the demon-possessed man and the swine. So they began to plead with Jesus to go away from their region. Mark 5:1-17

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Does the glory of God exist in acts of evil?
Hmmm.
Why is it that the Bible tells us about the source of evil, but no matter what happens, people always point the finger at God?
Is it possible that people are turning their eyes from the real enemy, and only seeing God?
Hmmm Is the Devil that smart? 2 Corinthians 4:4

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So, then, let us not sleep on as the rest do, but let us stay awake and keep our senses. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. But as for us who belong to the day, let us keep our senses and put on the breastplate of faith and love and the hope of salvation as a helmet because God assigned us, not to wrath, but to the acquiring of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. He died for us, so that whether we stay awake or are asleep, we should live together with him. Therefore, keep encouraging one another and building one another up, just as you are in fact doing. 1 Thessalonians 5:6-11

Sounds like another way of saying "See! God's not actually bad, you dumb atheists! Take that!"

dfnj said:

It seems to be in man's nature to commit the most heinous acts of evil imaginable. Man is obsessed with evil. Evil is everywhere in our culture. The most advanced technologies on the planet are used for creating devices of mass murder and war.

Is committing acts of evil somehow an expression of the glory of God? In other words, if someone is committing acts of evil and they do it with style is it an expression of divine possibility?

Consider the following song as a work of art. Clearly it is about human nature being profoundly evil. And yet the song is beautiful. Is there divine value in expressions of evil or expressions about evil that are beautiful?

If not, and all forms of evil are to be shunned, what are the basic heuristics defining God's moral compass?

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I think evil is measured more in motives and intentions, not in actions, in and of themselves. The key question is why someone does something - that will determine whether an act is good or evil.

That's where the Western system of justice has been somewhat of a failure, since too many humans tend to get too overly anal when it comes to "rule books." In our system, it doesn't matter why someone might break a rule or law - the fact is they did it and deserve some sort of punishment for doing so.

Moreover, most of us have been conditioned to believe that if someone does something at the behest of the secular state, they're somehow exempted from any possible judgment.

For example, an executioner carrying out a lawful execution. They are, in effect, committing the grievous sin of murder, yet because they're doing so under orders and in accordance with the law as a duly selected law enforcement officer, they are not punished by the state. Whether "God" actually punishes them in the end still remains to be seen.