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Put on your oven mitts folks, you are going to need them:

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Audie said:
There are a lot of strange fantasies, aren't there?
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A lot of people think the Bible is fantasy, but to me that does Not change what we can learn from the Bible.
I find there is nothing fantasy about Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 because that preaching work is being done on a grand international scale just as foretold it would be done. So, to me that means since we have reached that ' final phase ' of the work, then we are nearing the ' final signal ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security.... " but that is the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
As the world scene deteriorates that is No fantasy to me but proof the living Bible is coming to pass.
As it is written, so it is coming to be.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
A lot of people think the Bible is fantasy, but to me that does Not change what we can learn from the Bible.
I find there is nothing fantasy about Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 because that preaching work is being done on a grand international scale just as foretold it would be done. So, to me that means since we have reached that ' final phase ' of the work, then we are nearing the ' final signal ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security.... " but that is the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
As the world scene deteriorates that is No fantasy to me but proof the living Bible is coming to pass.
As it is written, so it is coming to be.
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If you learn one and only one thing about atheists,
Please please pleeeeze learn this:

I, nor anyone else, says the "bible is fantasy".

The people who do not see as you do are not stupid,
or insane.
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME said:
I agree forever is a long time because for each day we can count we can count forever both forwards or backwards.
I am wondering what healthy person wants to pick the day they want to die ______.
Most people I find seek medical help to prolong one's life.
Seems to me most people do Not want to leave Earth. Leaving Earth or life is what they find scary.
I find that according to Scripture - Psalms 115:16 - that Earth is our home.
So, when Jesus said that humble meek people will inherit the Earth he was Not talking about eternity in Heaven.
Everyone Jesus resurrected he resurrected back to life on Earth.
Jesus was giving us a preview, or coming attraction, of what he will do during his 1,000-year reign over Earth.
So, since even un-healthy people seek to stay alive on Earth, then I wonder why a perfectly healthy person would be scared of everlasting life on Earth, especially an Earth as described at Isaiah 35th chapter.
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What Earth will be inherited if humans destroy it?
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Creator is Not created because the Creator is from everlasting as per Psalms 90:2.
Since Creator God is from everlasting then God had No starting point, No beginning.
Kind of like we can count numbers, both forwards and backwards, forever and ever, everlastingly.
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The universe is everlasting.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
A lot of people think the Bible is fantasy, but to me that does Not change what we can learn from the Bible.
I find there is nothing fantasy about Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 because that preaching work is being done on a grand international scale just as foretold it would be done. So, to me that means since we have reached that ' final phase ' of the work, then we are nearing the ' final signal ' of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when the ' powers that be ' will be saying, " Peace and Security.... " but that is the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
As the world scene deteriorates that is No fantasy to me but proof the living Bible is coming to pass.
As it is written, so it is coming to be.
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Oh boy, another person wishing for the end of the world. o_O
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
SkepticThinker said:
Oh boy, another person wishing for the end of the world. o_O
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Or, rather I'm wishing for the start of a healthy-and-happy righteous new world to come for all.
To me praying for God's kingdom to come (thy kingdom come) is Not looking at an end but a New beginning.
What some people see as a sunset to others is a beautiful sunrise.
After all, Jesus did Not say to pray to be ' taken away ' to the kingdom, nor pray to be ^ taken up ^ to the kingdom.
Rather, by praying for the 'kingdom to come' we are praying that the same good conditions that exist in Heaven will also come to exist right here on Earth. That is also why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come ! Come and bring the benefits of Revelation 22:2 to Earth when there will be healing for all of earth's nations.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Wild Fox said:
What Earth will be inherited if humans destroy it?
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Thankfully, I find comfort in the words of Revelation 11:18 B that God will bring to ruin those ruining Earth.
So, before humans can destroy Earth God will cause wars to stop according to Psalms 46:9.
Then, people will learn war No more as per Micah 4:3-4.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Audie said:
If you learn one and only one thing about atheists,
Please please pleeeeze learn this:
I, nor anyone else, says the "bible is fantasy".
The people who do not see as you do are not stupid,
or insane.
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I beg to differ, I have been told the Bible is myth and should be thrown in the trash with the rest of the trash.
Oddly enough I was told that by a regular church-going Catholic. I did Not find him to be stupid or insane.

I became a Bible reader because of an atheist. While playing chess we would discuss the Bible.
He had inquiring questions that I could Not, at that time, answer.
One day we went to the United Nations, and at the U.N.Plaza he wanted me to explain the Isaiah Wall to him.
I wanted to know more about Isaiah 2:4 and so because of this atheist's questions I became a daily Bible reader.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
I beg to differ, I have been told the Bible is myth and should be thrown in the trash with the rest of the trash.
Oddly enough I was told that by a regular church-going Catholic. I did Not find him to be stupid or insane.

I became a Bible reader because of an atheist. While playing chess we would discuss the Bible.
He had inquiring questions that I could Not, at that time, answer.
One day we went to the United Nations, and at the U.N.Plaza he wanted me to explain the Isaiah Wall to him.
I wanted to know more about Isaiah 2:4 and so because of this atheist's questions I became a daily Bible reader.
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Parts of the Bible are myth. That does not mean all of it is myth. The Bible does definitely have some value so I would not advocate throwing it out. But an all or nothing attitude leads to either nothing or a belief that is not only more than a bit on the crazy side, but one ends up calling their own God a liar as a result. Though most either do not know this or won't admit it.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
I beg to differ, I have been told the Bible is myth and should be thrown in the trash with the rest of the trash.
Oddly enough I was told that by a regular church-going Catholic. I did Not find him to be stupid or insane.

I became a Bible reader because of an atheist. While playing chess we would discuss the Bible.
He had inquiring questions that I could Not, at that time, answer.
One day we went to the United Nations, and at the U.N.Plaza he wanted me to explain the Isaiah Wall to him.
I wanted to know more about Isaiah 2:4 and so because of this atheist's questions I became a daily Bible reader.
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IF you bothered with a follow-up question or two of
your friend, you would understand what I said,
and you missed.

SOME of the bible is obviously true. Who disputes
the existence of Egypt! Sherlock Holmes is fiction;
London fogs are real.

GALILEE is real. NOAHS ARK is childish myth.

A little more invedtigation re what people
really mean, a little nuance, my friend!

I didnt think I would have to explain that!
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
Parts of the Bible are myth. That does not mean all of it is myth. The Bible does definitely have some value so I would not advocate throwing it out. But an all or nothing attitude leads to either nothing or a belief that is not only more than a bit on the crazy side, but one ends up calling their own God a liar as a result. Though most either do not know this or won't admit it.
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There, we explained it twice. Is it enough?
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME said:
I agree forever is a long time because for each day we can count we can count forever both forwards or backwards.
I am wondering what healthy person wants to pick the day they want to die ______.
Most people I find seek medical help to prolong one's life.
Seems to me most people do Not want to leave Earth. Leaving Earth or life is what they find scary.
I find that according to Scripture - Psalms 115:16 - that Earth is our home.
So, when Jesus said that humble meek people will inherit the Earth he was Not talking about eternity in Heaven.
Everyone Jesus resurrected he resurrected back to life on Earth.
Jesus was giving us a preview, or coming attraction, of what he will do during his 1,000-year reign over Earth.
So, since even un-healthy people seek to stay alive on Earth, then I wonder why a perfectly healthy person would be scared of everlasting life on Earth, especially an Earth as described at Isaiah 35th chapter.
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If home
URAVIP2ME said:
Thankfully, I find comfort in the words of Revelation 11:18 B that God will bring to ruin those ruining Earth.
So, before humans can destroy Earth God will cause wars to stop according to Psalms 46:9.
Then, people will learn war No more as per Micah 4:3-4.
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You may take comfort in what you read but you are clearly not aware of what is happening to our world and how fast it is being destroyed. And what about Christians who are bringing ruin to the earth. Will god stop them?
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Since Ecclesiastes 1:4 B says the 'Earth abides forever', then to me Earth is: everlasting.
That is how the humble meek people can inherit the Earth as promised at Psalms 37:9-11; Matthew 5:5.
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The Earth will continue without man if we do not change the way we change how we treat the Earth. Take a moment to look beyond your book to see we are doing to the Earth and help to preserve this Earth so that there is something worth inheriting.
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME said:
I beg to differ, I have been told the Bible is myth and should be thrown in the trash with the rest of the trash.
Oddly enough I was told that by a regular church-going Catholic. I did Not find him to be stupid or insane.

I became a Bible reader because of an atheist. While playing chess we would discuss the Bible.
He had inquiring questions that I could Not, at that time, answer.
One day we went to the United Nations, and at the U.N.Plaza he wanted me to explain the Isaiah Wall to him.
I wanted to know more about Isaiah 2:4 and so because of this atheist's questions I became a daily Bible reader.
Click to expand...

The bible is a mixture of myth and history passed down as oral then as hand written now in all forms of media. You can see changes as you read through the bible as the image of god changes as the social conditions of the people change. Myth can be very symbolic often has important messages to those of that society who generate the myth. Needing it to be taken word for word as literal may decrease the understanding. This reminds me of what Allan Watts wrote in a book about Zen Buddhism when a Zen master was asked about the truth of some scriptures he answered "He who takes the finger pointing to the moon to be the moon, does he have wisdom?"
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
URAVIP2ME said:
Or, rather I'm wishing for the start of a healthy-and-happy righteous new world to come for all.
To me praying for God's kingdom to come (thy kingdom come) is Not looking at an end but a New beginning.
What some people see as a sunset to others is a beautiful sunrise.
After all, Jesus did Not say to pray to be ' taken away ' to the kingdom, nor pray to be ^ taken up ^ to the kingdom.
Rather, by praying for the 'kingdom to come' we are praying that the same good conditions that exist in Heaven will also come to exist right here on Earth. That is also why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come ! Come and bring the benefits of Revelation 22:2 to Earth when there will be healing for all of earth's nations.
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Uh huh. Who knows if that will ever happen. We've been hearing about it for centuries now.

I prefer to take care of the one earth we know we have while I live the only life I know I have.
 
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