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Receiving the Mark of the Beast.

2ndpillar

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The beast in Revelation 13 is not the same beast in Revelation 17. Nice try, but try again.
As to how you come up with ( All the described beasts are heads/kings of the beast who have and will again capture Jerusalem)
You can't be serious.

Feel free to tell everyone who the two beast are. All the beast are encapsulated by the description given in Daniel 2:35, which includes all the kings who have or will take over Jerusalem, from the head of gold, to the feet of iron and clay. tick tock
 

Faithofchristian

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Feel free to tell everyone who the two beast are. All the beast are encapsulated by the description given in Daniel 2:35, which includes all the kings who have or will take over Jerusalem, from the head of gold, to the feet of iron and clay. tick tock

As to how or who told you that Daniel and Revelation 13 and Revelation 17 are the same beasts, which they are not the same beasts.

The beast in Revelation 13, coming up out of the sea, Note the sea is water, and the sea being water Represent people's and multitudes, and Nations, and tongues.
Had you read Revelation 17:15, What Christ Jesus has given what water Represent.
Note the sea is water.

But your going all over the place by listing to man's teachings, Instead of listing to Christ Jesus has given in the book of Revelation Himself.

Therefore the beast coming up out among, people's, multitudes,Nations,tongues.
Is the One World Order or to say, The New World Order. When this Government system is setup,
it will control all people's, multitudes,Nations. Tongues of the world. And Satan is right there guiding it. Because people believe he is the Real Deal Christ Jesus, Not realizing that he's Masquerading by deception as Christ Jesus.

The beast that comes up out of the earth in Revelation 13:11, is Satan Masquerading around in the world as Christ Jesus.

Verse 11--"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon"

Notice this beast had two horns like a lamb, Why is this beast having two horns like a lamb ?
Because he is the Antichrist, the false Christ Jesus Masquerading as the Lamb Christ Jesus.
Notice this beast spake as a dragon, Who else in the Bible is called the dragon, But Satan.
Had you read Revelation 12:9--"And the great dragon, was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan"

Therefore the beast that comes up out of the earth, is non-other than Satan himself.

Had you read Revelation 20:1-7, you would find the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, being cast into the bottomless pit, and then after the thousand years have expired, then Satan shall be loosed out of his prison to go and deceive the Nations.
Therefore it is Satan that comes up out of the earth in Revelation 13:11.

It's not hard to put things in Revelation in their proper order, once you let Christ Jesus do the interpretation of all things in Revelation.
Seeing how it's Christ Jesus that gave the book of Revelation to John his disciple.

But no doubt you'll find a problem with Christ Jesus doing the interpretation of Revelation.

All because alot of Christians can not handle what Christ Jesus has given in the book of Revelation, all because what Christ Jesus has given does not fit into man's teachings.

Last I read in Matthew 15:7-9 Christ Jesus condemned the teachings and doctrines of man's.
7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
As to how or who told you that Daniel and Revelation 13 and Revelation 17 are the same beasts, which they are not the same beasts.

The beast in Revelation 13, coming up out of the sea, Note the sea is water, and the sea being water Represent people's and multitudes, and Nations, and tongues.
Had you read Revelation 17:15, What Christ Jesus has given what water Represent.
Note the sea is water.

But your going all over the place by listing to man's teachings, Instead of listing to Christ Jesus has given in the book of Revelation Himself.

Therefore the beast coming up out among, people's, multitudes,Nations,tongues.
Is the One World Order or to say, The New World Order. When this Government system is setup,
it will control all people's, multitudes,Nations. Tongues of the world. And Satan is right there guiding it. Because people believe he is the Real Deal Christ Jesus, Not realizing that he's Masquerading by deception as Christ Jesus.

The beast that comes up out of the earth in Revelation 13:11, is Satan Masquerading around in the world as Christ Jesus.

Verse 11--"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon"

Notice this beast had two horns like a lamb, Why is this beast having two horns like a lamb ?
Because he is the Antichrist, the false Christ Jesus Masquerading as the Lamb Christ Jesus.
Notice this beast spake as a dragon, Who else in the Bible is called the dragon, But Satan.
Had you read Revelation 12:9--"And the great dragon, was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan"

Therefore the beast that comes up out of the earth, is non-other than Satan himself.

Had you read Revelation 20:1-7, you would find the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, being cast into the bottomless pit, and then after the thousand years have expired, then Satan shall be loosed out of his prison to go and deceive the Nations.
Therefore it is Satan that comes up out of the earth in Revelation 13:11.

It's not hard to put things in Revelation in their proper order, once you let Christ Jesus do the interpretation of all things in Revelation.
Seeing how it's Christ Jesus that gave the book of Revelation to John his disciple.

But no doubt you'll find a problem with Christ Jesus doing the interpretation of Revelation.

All because alot of Christians can not handle what Christ Jesus has given in the book of Revelation, all because what Christ Jesus has given does not fit into man's teachings.

Last I read in Matthew 15:7-9 Christ Jesus condemned the teachings and doctrines of man's.
7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

You are kind of all over the place with no identification of the 7 kings/heads of the beast of either Rev 13 or 17. As per Revelation 13:4, it is the dragon which gives his authority to the beast. The dragon is not the beast, but is Satan. Satan gives his authority to the kings. The beast, the dragon, and the false prophet are separate entities (Revelation 16:13-15). As for the testimony of Yeshua, it is the Spirit of Revelation (Rev 19:10). Yeshua and the Spirit of Revelation being two separate entities.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You are kind of all over the place with no identification of the 7 kings/heads of the beast of either Rev 13 or 17. As per Revelation 13:4, it is the dragon which gives his authority to the beast. The dragon is not the beast, but is Satan. Satan gives his authority to the kings. The beast, the dragon, and the false prophet are separate entities (Revelation 16:13-15). As for the testimony of Yeshua, it is the Spirit of Revelation (Rev 19:10). Yeshua and the Spirit of Revelation being two separate entities.

The beast in Revelation 13 is the One World Order.

The beast in Revelation 17:10-12,
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space"

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast"

This beast here is Satan. The ten Kings comes with Satan, they receive power with Satan for one hour.

If you had notice back in Verse 10, ( he must continue a short space)

What being knows he has but a short time.
Revelation 12:12---"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time"

Therefore the beast in Revelation 17:10, is the Devil Satan, that knows he has a short time ( space).

And those 10 Kings comes with Satan, after Satan has been cast out of heaven,

Maybe you should spend more time in studying the book of Revelation.

God has already foretold who the beast is, and who those 10 Kings are, that comes with Satan after Satan has been cast out of heaven. It's all there in Revelation, as God foretold it.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The beast in Revelation 13 is the One World Order.

The beast in Revelation 17:10-12,
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space"

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast"

This beast here is Satan. The ten Kings comes with Satan, they receive power with Satan for one hour.

If you had notice back in Verse 10, ( he must continue a short space)

What being knows he has but a short time.
Revelation 12:12---"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time"

Therefore the beast in Revelation 17:10, is the Devil Satan, that knows he has a short time ( space).

And those 10 Kings comes with Satan, after Satan has been cast out of heaven,

Maybe you should spend more time in studying the book of Revelation.

God has already foretold who the beast is, and who those 10 Kings are, that comes with Satan after Satan has been cast out of heaven. It's all there in Revelation, as God foretold it.

I think your faith and understanding, together with $5.00, should earn you a cup of coffee. Revelation 17:10, whereas he must remain a little while, is about the 7th head of the beast. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, who was and is not during the period of the 6th head (Revelation 17:10-11). That puts the 8th head coming from the period of the 5th head or before, and that would not be Satan/dragon, who gave his authority to all the heads/kings of the beast (Revelation 13:4). The head/king of the beast that is to remain a "little while" is the king who will make alterations in times and law, and wear down the saints for time, times, and half a time (Daniel 7:25). He will arise after the 10 horns/kings of the 6th head of the beast (Daniel 7:24). The 8th head/king of the beast would follow the 7th head, who was Constantine, the instituter of your Roman church, and who is dead. Only his Roman church, conquering under the sign of the cross, remains, and is falling as we speak, for we are "in that day" (Isaiah 22:25), such as at the "end of the age" of Daniel 12:10-12. Now, since you seem to infer that you know the names of the 10 kings, please tell which set of 10 kings, and who they are.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I think your faith and understanding, together with $5.00, should earn you a cup of coffee. Revelation 17:10, whereas he must remain a little while, is about the 7th head of the beast. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, who was and is not during the period of the 6th head (Revelation 17:10-11). That puts the 8th head coming from the period of the 5th head or before, and that would not be Satan/dragon, who gave his authority to all the heads/kings of the beast (Revelation 13:4). The head/king of the beast that is to remain a "little while" is the king who will make alterations in times and law, and wear down the saints for time, times, and half a time (Daniel 7:25). He will arise after the 10 horns/kings of the 6th head of the beast (Daniel 7:24). The 8th head/king of the beast would follow the 7th head, who was Constantine, the instituter of your Roman church, and who is dead. Only his Roman church, conquering under the sign of the cross, remains, and is falling as we speak, for we are "in that day" (Isaiah 22:25), such as at the "end of the age" of Daniel 12:10-12. Now, since you seem to infer that you know the names of the 10 kings, please tell which set of 10 kings, and who they are.

I can see your all confused. Who's saying anything about Daniel ?

The book of Daniel has nothing at all to do with the book of Revelation.

Whoever told youbthe book of Daniel and Revelation goes together, are absolutely wrong on that one. But this is what happens when people listen to man's teachings and not the teachings of Christ Jesus.
There is no where in the book of Revelation that reference the book of Daniel nor does the book of Daniel makes any reference to Revelation.

you go ahead and run with man's teachings and I will stay with the teachings of Christ Jesus.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I can see your all confused. Who's saying anything about Daniel ?

The book of Daniel has nothing at all to do with the book of Revelation.

Whoever told youbthe book of Daniel and Revelation goes together, are absolutely wrong on that one. But this is what happens when people listen to man's teachings and not the teachings of Christ Jesus.
There is no where in the book of Revelation that reference the book of Daniel nor does the book of Daniel makes any reference to Revelation.

you go ahead and run with man's teachings and I will stay with the teachings of Christ Jesus.

The book of Daniel covers the entire time span from Nebuchadnezzar until the "stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth" (Daniel 2:35), which would include the judgments on Judah from Nebchadnezzar until the millennium. Your beasts of Revelation have to fit into that narrative. Your Roman church and Roman empire were part of the heads of the beast and false prophet which brought judgment onto Judah, the Jews, and Ephraim (Hosea 5).
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The book of Daniel covers the entire time span from Nebuchadnezzar until the "stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth" (Daniel 2:35), which would include the judgments on Judah from Nebchadnezzar until the millennium. Your beasts of Revelation have to fit into that narrative. Your Roman church and Roman empire were part of the heads of the beast and false prophet which brought judgment onto Judah, the Jews, and Ephraim (Hosea 5).

Nope not at all, Christ Jesus has given who those beasts are in Revelation. So why are you going against what Christ Jesus has given in Revelation.

But you keep wanting to go with man's teachings, go ahead and see how far that's going to get you.
But as for me, I'll will stay with the teachings of Christ Jesus.

You do know that Jesus condemned the teachings of man's in Matthew 15:7-9

7- Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8- This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9- But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

Luke 6:46--"And why call you me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? "
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Various arguments, regarding, what the, Mark of the Beast , is. Now, this seems literal, at first, yet how literal is it? If one does not receive the Mark of the Beast, are they actually opposing the Forces that are referenced, in the scripture, or, are they just on neither side? It seems pretty specific, 'all those who receive the Mark of the Beast'. Does this mean, that this isn't those who don't have the Mark of the Beast, against everyone else, or, does it mean, the scripture opposition is only referring to those, who actually take, the Mark of the Beast?

WOW... good job!
So yeah, what if... as you seem to be saying... it's only Babylon's followers who are marked? Only a group of religious people, period... a spiritual warfare, that's now turned physical?

The vine of the earth becomes ripe, and gets tossed into Megiddo... which isn't big enough for a whole world full of marked people.

The harvest of the earth has happened already at that point... just as the sealed by God happens before the mark of the beast.

Jezebel's children, from Revelation 2... in that scenario, would become the vine of the earth. Which means the Book of Revelation is how God separates the wheat from the tares.

Yikes! I will have to think about this. Thank you so so much!
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Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Nope not at all, Christ Jesus has given who those beasts are in Revelation. So why are you going against what Christ Jesus has given in Revelation.

But you keep wanting to go with man's teachings, go ahead and see how far that's going to get you.
But as for me, I'll will stay with the teachings of Christ Jesus.

You do know that Jesus condemned the teachings of man's in Matthew 15:7-9

7- Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8- This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9- But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

Luke 6:46--"And why call you me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? "

Ranting at me is not telling anyone who the heads/kings of the beast of Revelation 13 & 17 are. Either you know or you don't. Just get it off your chest and either name the previous kings, or confess you have no idea. According to Revelation 17:10, there were 5 previous kings/heads to the current 6th head/king reigning at the time of the writing of Revelation. Who were they?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
WOW... good job!
So yeah, what if... as you seem to be saying... it's only Babylon's followers who are marked? Only a group of religious people, period... a spiritual warfare, that's now turned physical?

The vine of the earth becomes ripe, and gets tossed into Megiddo... which isn't big enough for a whole world full of marked people.

The harvest of the earth has happened already at that point... just as the sealed by God happens before the mark of the beast.

Jezebel's children, from Revelation 2... in that scenario, would become the vine of the earth. Which means the Book of Revelation is how God separates the wheat from the tares.

Yikes! I will have to think about this. Thank you so so much!
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Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

You kind of went off the rails. The "another king" (Daniel 7:24), is the beast with two horns like a lamb, and is the 7th head of the beast and is already dead. The beast with the "fatal wound" (Revelation 13:3) is dead, but his demon spirit lives in the beast (Revelation 16:13-15), and his worshippers, refers to "all who dwell on the earth" barring the elect from the "foundation of the world", are already marked. Marking on the hand and forehead is simply the following of the commands of the beast (Deuteronomy 6:8).

As for Har-Magedon, it is for those who come against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14) & (Joel 3:2) & (Revelation 16:13-16) & (Daniel 2:44-45). As for all the nations, they will have to tend to the "great earthquake" and the "huge hailstones" (Revelation 16:18-21). The initial death toll due to fire, smoke, and sulfur, will be 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:18).
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
The book of Daniel covers the entire time span from Nebuchadnezzar until the "stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth" (Daniel 2:35), which would include the judgments on Judah from Nebchadnezzar until the millennium. Your beasts of Revelation have to fit into that narrative. Your Roman church and Roman empire were part of the heads of the beast and false prophet which brought judgment onto Judah, the Jews, and Ephraim (Hosea 5).

This is the same stone, doing the same thing:

Matthew 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables, they perceived that He spake of them.

Jesus in Matthew 23 says that the Pharisees are responsible for the blood of the saints. Jesus in Revelation says that in Babylon is the blood of saints.

Can we connect the dots? Did the Pharisees move to Rome after the fall of Jerusalem? Rome was into conversion at the point of the sword, and forced a whole lot of crypto activity to happen. Some of those forced-conversions are on record as having became that man in Rome.

The leopard of Greece, the bear of Persia, and the lion of Babylon... everything that Alexander conquered fell to Rome, didn't it?

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It seems like God still allows us to be tested to see if we love God with our whole heart or not. Otherwise, any chance of a false prophet would have been stopped by God. We have warning and are given the means of discovering who a false prophet is. A false prophet takes away from the writings of previous prophets... Moses was a prophet. We know of at least two religious leaders who have taken away from Moses, don't we. One deleted the law of idolatry. One deleted the whole Law. The first one canonized the second one.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Ranting at me is not telling anyone who the heads/kings of the beast of Revelation 13 & 17 are. Either you know or you don't. Just get it off your chest and either name the previous kings, or confess you have no idea. According to Revelation 17:10, there were 5 previous kings/heads to the current 6th head/king reigning at the time of the writing of Revelation. Who were they?

I told you who that Christ Jesus foretold who those Kings are.

As how do you get ( heads ) at, There is no where in Revelation 17:10-12, that makes any mentioning of ( heads ) so how do you come by ( heads )
Why are you adding things to the book of Revelation. You do know what is said about Adding and deleting to the book of Revelation. As to who gave you the authority to add to the book of Revelation.
Revelation 22:18-19---"
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"

I'd watch what your doing adding things to the book of Revelation.

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"

By your adding, your taking away from the book of Revelation.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
You kind of went off the rails. The "another king" (Daniel 7:24), is the beast with two horns like a lamb, and is the 7th head of the beast and is already dead. The beast with the "fatal wound" (Revelation 13:3) is dead, but his demon spirit lives in the beast (Revelation 16:13-15), and his worshippers, refers to "all who dwell on the earth" barring the elect from the "foundation of the world", are already marked. Marking on the hand and forehead is simply the following of the commands of the beast (Deuteronomy 6:8).

As for Har-Magedon, it is for those who come against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14) & (Joel 3:2) & (Revelation 16:13-16) & (Daniel 2:44-45). As for all the nations, they will have to tend to the "great earthquake" and the "huge hailstones" (Revelation 16:18-21). The initial death toll due to fire, smoke, and sulfur, will be 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:18).

Have you any idea how long it would take, to make the forhead and hand of everyone on Earth.
You actually believe there are going to be horse's that out of their mouths comes fire and brimstone

You can't be Serious.

Where do you get this stuff at, who's teaching you these things.

If had you paid attention, to what is being said.

Revelation 9:16-19.

Ok Verse 16, notice army of horsemen.

Verse 17, John saw, the horse's and them that sat on the horse's, having breastplates of fire.

Ok, do you know what a breastplate represents in the bible ?

Take Aaron the brother of Moses, Aaron as the high priest wore a breastplate.

The breastplate here in Revelation 9:17, Represents Pastors, Preachers. But this breastplate is not a good thing. But a bad thing.
And those Pastors are not good either.

As for the rest of Verse 17, the horse's were as heads of lions, This means, they were like unto lions. That would destroy anything that got in their way.

Notice out of the mouth of those that sat on the horse's, fire and smoke and brimstone. Issued out of their mouths.

In other words, they were just blowing smoke.

Have you ever heard the term about a person, all their doing is blowing smoke.

Otherwise you actually believe there will be men, who will come with fire and smoke and brimstone coming out of their mouths.

You can't be Serious.
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
You kind of went off the rails. The "another king" (Daniel 7:24), is the beast with two horns like a lamb, and is the 7th head of the beast and is already dead. The beast with the "fatal wound" (Revelation 13:3) is dead, but his demon spirit lives in the beast (Revelation 16:13-15), and his worshippers, refers to "all who dwell on the earth" barring the elect from the "foundation of the world", are already marked. Marking on the hand and forehead is simply the following of the commands of the beast (Deuteronomy 6:8).

As for Har-Magedon, it is for those who come against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14) & (Joel 3:2) & (Revelation 16:13-16) & (Daniel 2:44-45). As for all the nations, they will have to tend to the "great earthquake" and the "huge hailstones" (Revelation 16:18-21). The initial death toll due to fire, smoke, and sulfur, will be 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:18).

Kinda said I'd have to think about it, didn't I... still am.
So... the Vine of the Earth is ____________.

And... His elect have always been literal Jacob... in case anyone cares, these days. God never dealt in replacement theology. Jesus says He came only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel... and that's who He sent His literal Disciples to teach the Kingdom Gospel to. This group is the 144k.

The mark of the beast will probably be physical... the guy's all about being seen of men. Since idolatry seems to be the ways and means of separating the tares from the wheat... according to Revelation 2... maybe what Constantine saw would fit the bill. The followers of Jesus aren't very careful when it comes to symbolism... which is just idolatry in a new dress. Dump the crosses, ladies. Worshipping the cross is like enshrining the car that ran over your child. If you need a symbol to keep you on the straight and narrow... you're in big trouble.
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
I told you who that Christ Jesus foretold who those Kings are.

As how do you get ( heads ) at, There is no where in Revelation 17:10-12, that makes any mentioning of ( heads ) so how do you come by ( heads )
Why are you adding things to the book of Revelation. You do know what is said about Adding and deleting to the book of Revelation. As to who gave you the authority to add to the book of Revelation.
Revelation 22:18-19---"
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"

I'd watch what your doing adding things to the book of Revelation.

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"

By your adding, your taking away from the book of Revelation.

The Scripture says "from the scroll of this prophecy"... so that people could figure it out without having half of it laying on the cutting room floor... or having words like Misraim turned into the word Egypt, just because the talking heads said so.

Oh... and speculating doesn't change the words on the scroll, either. ;)
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The Scripture says "from the scroll of this prophecy"... so that people could figure it out without having half of it laying on the cutting room floor... or having words like Misraim turned into the word Egypt, just because the talking heads said so.

Oh... and speculating doesn't change the words on the scroll, either. ;)


When you speculate, on something, that is changing the whole context of what is being said.
Especially when there is nothing said about
( heads ) that's changing the whole context of what is being said.

You can not add something that is not there
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
When you speculate, on something, that is changing the whole context of what is being said.
Especially when there is nothing said about
( heads ) that's changing the whole context of what is being said.

You can not add something that is not there

OK... but that isn't what the Scripture says, is it? The Greek word is biblos... which meant, at that time, a scroll or roll of parchment.

It meant changing the words of the original document or making copies with those changes in them.

The intent of the warning must have been to keep the Scripture itself from being altered so that nobody could know what's going to happen.
The reason for prophecy is to correct our actions to keep from being destroyed.

What people think about those words is up to them.

I admit, haven't been paying attention... but is this the Scripture you're arguing about?

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The 7 heads, kings, and mountains are all the same thing... this makes it look like a kingdom or country was wounded unto death, doesn't it?
 

Faithofchristian

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OK... but that isn't what the Scripture says, is it? The Greek word is biblos... which meant, at that time, a scroll or roll of parchment.

It meant changing the words of the original document or making copies with those changes in them.

The intent of the warning must have been to keep the Scripture itself from being altered so that nobody could know what's going to happen.
The reason for prophecy is to correct our actions to keep from being destroyed.

What people think about those words is up to them.

I admit, haven't been paying attention... but is this the Scripture you're arguing about?

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The 7 heads, kings, and mountains are all the same thing... this makes it look like a kingdom or country was wounded unto death, doesn't it?

Nope not at all, Not when you have the seven heads Representing Mountains.
Revelation 17:9,

And then you have seven Kings.
Revelation 17:10.
But nothing saying the seven heads as Representing Kings or the kings Representing seven heads.

What your trying to do, is combine Verse 9 and verse 10 into one verse.

Verse 9 has nothing to do with verse 10, two separate Verses saying two different things.
Nice try
 

2ndpillar

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OK... but that isn't what the Scripture says, is it? The Greek word is biblos... which meant, at that time, a scroll or roll of parchment.

It meant changing the words of the original document or making copies with those changes in them.

The intent of the warning must have been to keep the Scripture itself from being altered so that nobody could know what's going to happen.
The reason for prophecy is to correct our actions to keep from being destroyed.

What people think about those words is up to them.

I admit, haven't been paying attention... but is this the Scripture you're arguing about?

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The 7 heads, kings, and mountains are all the same thing... this makes it look like a kingdom or country was wounded unto death, doesn't it?

It would help if you guys got a decent bible. Revelation 17:9 Context: Here is the mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.

9“Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, 10and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11“The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.
 
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