The law was ordained by angels...? No, the Covenant of faith was: Galatians

It is commonly taught, or interpreted, that the law, was ordained, by angels, and the mediator, was Moses. However, we can ascertain that this cannot be true, as clearly, what was ordained by angels, is the Covenant [to the Gentiles], which is the Covenant of faith.

Galatians 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[KJV]
This is saying that the Spirit is received, by faith, not the law.

Galatians 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
[KJV]
This tells us clearly, that the Covenant, is one of faith, not the law.

Galatians 3:5
He therefore that ministereth you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[KJV]
This again, specifies that faith, is how the Spirit, is ministered.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith.
[KJV]
No justification by the law, according to God.

Galatians 3:17
And this I say, that the Covenant was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none affect.
[KJV]
The law, given after the Covenant, cannot make the Covenant of faith, to no affect.
I interpret Christ here, to mean the Abba aspect of the Godhead. Christ meaning both the Abba, and Jesus. [The Godhead.

Galatians 3:19
Wherefore, then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[KJV]
Telling us that serving the law, is to no affect. What was ordained by angels, is the Covenant of Faith, [to the Gentiles]. The mediator, being Christ.

Why do you select those scriptures that support your position in Galatians and omit those scriptures that don't in Galatians?

KenS said:

Why do you select those scriptures that support your position in Galatians and omit those scriptures that don't in Galatians?

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Your Covenantal doctrine doesn't work, in more than one way.

Disciple of Jesus said:

Your Covenantal doctrine doesn't work, in more than one way.

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Your position of "only Gentiles" in Galatians doesn't work.\

Gal 3:
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.
20A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

The law was given to the Jews and not the Gentiles.

It is 'given to the Gentiles', because 'Jews', means under the law, in the text, and, Abraham was not under the law. The Covenant of Faith, was given unto Gentiles, in other words.
The law, was added.
Galatians 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
[KJV]
In other words, the Covenant of Faith was actually, 'given unto only Gentiles', if you want to word it that way.

Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[KJV]

Disciple of Jesus said:

The added law, which is a curse, was ordained by angels? Is that your position?
Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[KJV]

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When Gabriel came to Zachariah and ordained that he was going to have a baby with Elizabeth, was the angel the actual entity that ordained it?

On a side note, the curse is listed in Deuteronomy 28 and the statement about the tree is in Deut 21

Disciple of Jesus said:

Note this statement.


Contradicts this statement. Those in the Covenant of Faith, are not under the law, which is a curse, and negates the Covenant of Faith, for those under the law. Galatians 3:10
That is why the law is a curse, because you can't be in the Covenant of Faith, and under the law, at the same time.


You are being vague. Either you believe that the law was ordained by God, through angels, or you don't.
You don't seem to be able to answer that question.

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It's just that you are not being very clear.

I agree that those who participate in the Covenant through faith in Jesus Christ's work are not under the Law.

Those who are in that Covenant of Faith through Jesus Christ are not under the curse of the Law because he was made a curse for us.

It sounded like you were saying that the Covenant was not of God but just of angels. My point is that angels are the carriers of the dictate of God and therefore is from God.

It sounded like you were saying that the Covenant of Faith is just for the Gentiles which would be wrong because Galatians speak both to the Hebrews as well as the Gentiles.

Disciple of Jesus said:

It is commonly taught, or interpreted, that the law, was ordained, by angels, and the mediator, was Moses. However, we can ascertain that this cannot be true, as clearly, what was ordained by angels, is the Covenant [to the Gentiles], which is the Covenant of faith.

Galatians 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[KJV]
This is saying that the Spirit is received, by faith, not the law.

Galatians 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
[KJV]
This tells us clearly, that the Covenant, is one of faith, not the law.

Galatians 3:5
He therefore that ministereth you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[KJV]
This again, specifies that faith, is how the Spirit, is ministered.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith.
[KJV]
No justification by the law, according to God.

Galatians 3:17
And this I say, that the Covenant was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none affect.
[KJV]
The law, given after the Covenant, cannot make the Covenant of faith, to no affect.
I interpret Christ here, to mean the Abba aspect of the Godhead. Christ meaning both the Abba, and Jesus. [The Godhead.

Galatians 3:19
Wherefore, then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[KJV]
Telling us that serving the law, is to no affect. What was ordained by angels, is the Covenant of Faith, [to the Gentiles]. The mediator, being Christ.

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Romans 7 - Paul Claims the God of Sinai is Dead

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WHY THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS HERESY

Think about what you believe, and don't be caught napping. Watch.

Some things, here. A 'book of laws', isn't the 10 Commandments. [Obviously. Those were tablets, that were broken, and certainly not enough, to constitute, a book. The 'law' being referred to, is the 'book of laws', just called the law. This , the law, is a Curse. The law itself, is a curse. This is quite clear, from the text.

So, the question is, do you believe, that G'd, gave a Curse, in the form of the law, [ordained by angels?

Because, I don't.

Disciple of Jesus said:

It is commonly taught, or interpreted, that the law, was ordained, by angels, and the mediator, was Moses. However, we can ascertain that this cannot be true, as clearly, what was ordained by angels, is the Covenant [to the Gentiles], which is the Covenant of faith.

Galatians 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[KJV]
This is saying that the Spirit is received, by faith, not the law.

Galatians 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
[KJV]
This tells us clearly, that the Covenant, is one of faith, not the law.

Galatians 3:5
He therefore that ministereth you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[KJV]
This again, specifies that faith, is how the Spirit, is ministered.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith.
[KJV]
No justification by the law, according to God.

Galatians 3:17
And this I say, that the Covenant was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none affect.
[KJV]
The law, given after the Covenant, cannot make the Covenant of faith, to no affect.
I interpret Christ here, to mean the Abba aspect of the Godhead. Christ meaning both the Abba, and Jesus. [The Godhead.

Galatians 3:19
Wherefore, then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[KJV]
Telling us that serving the law, is to no affect. What was ordained by angels, is the Covenant of Faith, [to the Gentiles]. The mediator, being Christ.

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Angels are malachim or messengers of God. They're agents of God; doing things in God's name. A messenger of God is most likely to be a heavenly being; but not necessarily. For example in the book of Revelation John is commanded to write to the 7 "angels" of the 7 churches of Asia. These "angels" are not at all likely to have been "heavenly beings" because God could easily talk to a heavenly being directly if He needed to. These "angels" are probably the human pastors/bishops of those 7 churches.

Disciple of Jesus said:

Some things, here. A 'book of laws', isn't the 10 Commandments. [Obviously. Those were tablets, that were broken, and certainly not enough, to constitute, a book. The 'law' being referred to, is the 'book of laws', just called the law. This , the law, is a Curse. The law itself, is a curse. This is quite clear, from the text.

So, the question is, do you believe, that G'd, gave a Curse, in the form of the law, [ordained by angels?

Because, I don't.

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I believe that when you establish good... "thou shalt not steal", then there is an automatic curse, "if you do, you will go to prison".

etc etc.

Those that are ordained by God were delivered by angels.
Those that are ordained by laws will be delivered by judges.

Disciple of Jesus said:

So, in other words, it was ordained, and, it's 'not our problem'. I would agree withe the 'not our problem', however I don't agree, with the ordained. Because, the law, actually curses Jesus.
That means, that you believe, what is "ordained", curses Jesus, making your entity, curse , the Christ.

That is quite strange.

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It's your logic that seems quite strange.

Jesus fulfilled the law and therefore it doesn't "curse Jesus". It is our transgressions to the law that he took upon himself that caused him to be cursed. In other words, he took on our curse to redeem us from the curse of the law.

I never said it wasn't our problem... did I say that?

Disciple of Jesus said:

Note that you state, here, that the law, was not given to Gentiles.


How can Gentiles 'transgress the law', that was never given to Gentiles, is a curse, added later, to the Covenant of Faith, and, the law, can't save, anyway?[the law is a curse, that can't save, that you aren't supposed to be under. How do you transgress that?



Great. It certainly isn't my problem.

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Because even Gentiles have laws that are universal and under God. Thou shalt not commit murder is a universal law and laws have a curse if it is broken.

Disciple of Jesus said:

Some things, here. A 'book of laws', isn't the 10 Commandments. [Obviously. Those were tablets, that were broken, and certainly not enough, to constitute, a book. The 'law' being referred to, is the 'book of laws', just called the law. This , the law, is a Curse. The law itself, is a curse. This is quite clear, from the text.

So, the question is, do you believe, that G'd, gave a Curse, in the form of the law, [ordained by angels?

Because, I don't.

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no... The Law contains a curse but isn't a curse. The law contains a blessing too. And the Law is good.

Rom 7:
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead.
9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.
10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.
11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.
12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

As Galatians said, the Law was a schoolmaster to let us know that we needed a Savior. The Law is Good but it awakens what is bad in us. Every good law contains a curse if not followed. Thou shalt not steal has the curse of penalty but the Law is good for we shouldn't steal.