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The concept of the Sabbath

rosends

rosends

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One of the other threads ("Three days and Three nights") has been touching on an issue of a "Sabbath" and what day of the week it falls on. However, as that is not the primary focus of that link, to hijack it to pursue that line of thinking seems wrong, so I'm starting this one instead.

The word in Hebrew is sh-b-t (that's the 3 consonants...add in the vowels kamatz and patach and you get shAbbAt).

As a noun those 3 letters appear 111 times in the Tanach, referring to one of 4 things:

1. the seventh day of the week
2. the seventh year of the 7 year cycle
3. 1 week
4. 1 seven year cycle

The word, in any form, never refers to any other day.

The 3 letter verb-root sh-v-t (a vet instead of a bet, but with the same base of kamatz-patach) appears 71 times and means

1. stopped working
2. ceased (3 times as the passive "was ceased")
3. nullified (was nullified)
4. destroyed

Its use in Ex 12:15 is as a verb - you (plural) shall nullify (tashbitu) grain from your houses.

Sh-v-t with 2 segols underneath (shEvEt) refers to the place of destruction or nullification or the ceasing, itself.

Shabbaton (sh-b-t-N) appears 11 times to refer to a form of rest on holidays and during the 7th year.

So I'm not sure where people came up with the idea that there is a some separate "Sabbath" as a day which appears at a time before Passover and is distinct from the weekly Sabbath.

And btw, if you are wondering, there is also a root sh-v-h, related to people captured in war or prisoners. Sh'vut means "returning to a former status" and sh'vi is a general term for prisoners of war. Shav is the base for words related to returning or reverting.

If someone can explain how this notion of a second sabbath was created and supported, I would appreciate it.
 
Earthling

Earthling

David Henson
I'm not sure where you're going with this. You give the etymology of the word and then question a "second" sabbath day? That isn't really specific to the sabbath day. The Hebrew for that would be yohm hash‧shab‧bath′ which is drawn from the verb sha‧vath′. The Greek would be he he‧me′ra tou sab‧ba′tou. Sabbath day.

In addition to the weekly sabbath the Jews also had a number of other sabbaths. All of them were the 7th day, the 7th year (This may not be what you are looking for, as it isn't a "Sabbath Day" as such, but rather a sabbath year. Hebrew hash‧shemit‧tah′ or "the year of the release" Deuteronomy 15:1-2) . . .

Is this going in the right direction?

. . . the 50th year (Jubilee year), Nisan 14 (Passover), Nisan 15, Nisan 21, Sivan 6 (Pentecost), Ethanim 1, Ethanim 10 (Atonement Day), Ethanim 15, and Ethanim 22.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Nothing to do with that other thread, however, sunday is called "the Lords day". When that started is speculated upon, however, I don't believe that it was invented, later, as some theorize. They simply took that already existing type of "sabbath", and formalized it to the church.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Mark 16:1
Mark 16:2
Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
[KJV]
Sabbath was over, in other words.
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
I'm not sure where you're going with this. You give the etymology of the word and then question a "second" sabbath day? That isn't really specific to the sabbath day. The Hebrew for that would be yohm hash‧shab‧bath′ which is drawn from the verb sha‧vath′. The Greek would be he he‧me′ra tou sab‧ba′tou. Sabbath day.
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You are mixing some things up. I question why people assert (on the referenced thread) the existence of a second sabbath day when there is no textual precedent for one. The seventh day, the sabbath is a word unto itself, a noun, which refers to the 7th day of the week, a day of rest. It is called shabbat (Ex 20:10), shabbat shabbaton (Lev 23:3), Hashabbat ("the sabbath") Ex 16:29 and other forms of Shabbat (see Ex 31:13, Is. 58:13, Num 28:10 and other examples of how the grammar requires various noun-forms).
RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha said:
In addition to the weekly sabbath the Jews also had a number of other sabbaths. All of them were the 7th day, the 7th year (This may not be what you are looking for, as it isn't a "Sabbath Day" as such, but rather a sabbath year. Hebrew hash‧shemit‧tah′ or "the year of the release" Deuteronomy 15:1-2) . . .
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The shnat hashmitah is one of the meanings I listed. However there are no other "7th day" sabbaths. There are other days on which we are commanded to rest (in fact, there is an 8th day called a shabbaton but not a shabbat!) but no other day is called simply a shabbat
 
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The Anointed

Well-Known Member
It was the prophet Zephaniah through whom the Lord said; "I am going to destroy everything 'ON EARTH', All human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy mankind and no survivors will be left. I the Lord have spoken. . . . . . . . . "On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their gold and silver will save them. The whole 'EARTH' will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end----a sudden end----to everyone who lives 'ON EARTH.' "

The weekly Sabbath, said Paul, in Colossians 2: 17; was but a shadow of the reality in the future, which is the Great Sabbath, the Lords day of one thousand years.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

According to Jewish time, the first destruction of the Temple of Solomon, was 3338 AM, which is 3338 years from Adam. Our time for that destruction of the temple is 587 BC. So adding 587 to 3338, we see that from the birth of Adam the fater of Seth, to 1 BC=1AD there is 3925 years, add to that the current date, 2018, (3,925+2018=5,943) and we are now living in the 5,943 nd year from the birth of Adam (These dates are very ambiguous) which, if one can accept these dates, leaves us another 57 years before the close of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th, which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.

This coming period of tribulation is said to be so severe, that if it were not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive. We are almost at the close of the sixth day, and soon comes the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, after which the Sabbath will dawn, but when? Nobody knows the exact date.

One of the worst tribulations that the earth has suffered in recent times occurred some 75,000 years ago with the Toba super eruption, which was a super volcanic eruption that occurred sometime between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra Indonesia). It is recognised as one of earth’s largest eruptions.

Thousands of cubic kilometres of material would have been blasted out into the stratosphere blocking out the light all over the world, turning the sun and moon into huge blood red orbs and causing the earth’s temperature to drop some 21% and it would possibly have been a thousand years, before rainbows could form in our atmosphere again.

The related catastrophe theory holds that this event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter and possibly an additional 1,000 year cooling episode. This change in temperature resulted in the world’s proto-human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution.

Could an eruption such as this, be more of a blessing, than a curse, could a protective shield around the earth to protect us from increased heavenly radiation for a period of time, be established, to give us time to prepare for the ultimate end of all physical life forms that remain on this planet, and if so how?

Revelation 20: 7...…. After the thousand years are over fire comes down from heaven and incinerates all physical life on earth as the Lord warned us through his prophet Zephaniah. After which there will be no more oceans; Rev 21: 1.
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
The Anointed said:
It was the prophet Zephaniah through whom the Lord said; "I am going to destroy everything 'ON EARTH', All human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy mankind and no survivors will be left. I the Lord have spoken. . . . . . . . . "On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their gold and silver will save them. The whole 'EARTH' will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end----a sudden end----to everyone who lives 'ON EARTH.' "

The weekly Sabbath, said Paul, in Colossians 2: 17; was but a shadow of the reality in the future, which is the Great Sabbath, the Lords day of one thousand years.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

According to Jewish time, the first destruction of the Temple of Solomon, was 3338 AM, which is 3338 years from Adam. Our time for that destruction of the temple is 587 BC. So adding 587 to 3338, we see that from the birth of Adam the fater of Seth, to 1 BC=1AD there is 3925 years, add to that the current date, 2018, (3,925+2018=5,943) and we are now living in the 5,943 nd year from the birth of Adam (These dates are very ambiguous) which, if one can accept these dates, leaves us another 57 years before the close of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th, which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.

This coming period of tribulation is said to be so severe, that if it were not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive. We are almost at the close of the sixth day, and soon comes the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, after which the Sabbath will dawn, but when? Nobody knows the exact date.

One of the worst tribulations that the earth has suffered in recent times occurred some 75,000 years ago with the Toba super eruption, which was a super volcanic eruption that occurred sometime between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra Indonesia). It is recognised as one of earth’s largest eruptions.

Thousands of cubic kilometres of material would have been blasted out into the stratosphere blocking out the light all over the world, turning the sun and moon into huge blood red orbs and causing the earth’s temperature to drop some 21% and it would possibly have been a thousand years, before rainbows could form in our atmosphere again.

The related catastrophe theory holds that this event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter and possibly an additional 1,000 year cooling episode. This change in temperature resulted in the world’s proto-human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution.

Could an eruption such as this, be more of a blessing, than a curse, could a protective shield around the earth to protect us from increased heavenly radiation for a period of time, be established, to give us time to prepare for the ultimate end of all physical life forms that remain on this planet, and if so how?

Revelation 20: 7...…. After the thousand years are over fire comes down from heaven and incinerates all physical life on earth as the Lord warned us through his prophet Zephaniah. After which there will be no more oceans; Rev 21: 1.
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other than one quote from Colossians which is irrelevant because it makes no claim valid under Jewish law, the rest of this is unrelated to the topic of this thread.
 
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The Anointed

Well-Known Member
rosends said:
other than one quote from Colossians which is irrelevant because it makes no claim valid under Jewish law, the rest of this is unrelated to the topic of this thread.
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As I do not belong to the Jewish faith, I will continue to believe Paul, who said that the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow of that which is in the future.

I will continue to believe that Christ will Judge the whole world with justice for a thousand years. And Just as Adam died in the day that he ate of the forbidden fruit at the age of 930, falling 70 years short of that day of one thousand years, I believe that the Day of the Lord is also a period of one thousand years.

In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from the dead."
 
Duke_Leto

Duke_Leto

Active Member
The Anointed said:
As I do not belong to the Jewish faith, I will continue to believe Paul, who said that the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow of that which is in the future.

I will continue to believe that Christ will Judge the whole world with justice for a thousand years. And Just as Adam died in the day that he ate of the forbidden fruit at the age of 930, falling 70 years short of that day of one thousand years, I believe that the Day of the Lord is also a period of one thousand years.

In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from the dead."
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You can believe what you want, but simply parroting books isn't about to convince anyone else.

Especially if you're talking to someone who doesn't believe the book you're quoting in the first place.
 
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The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Duke_Leto said:
You can believe what you want, but simply parroting books isn't about to convince anyone else.

Especially if you're talking to someone who doesn't believe the book you're quoting in the first place.
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Correct! I can and do believe what I want and I believe in the truths as revealed in the Holy scriptures, and who gives a rats tail as to what the atheists who haunt the religious forums believe.
 
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david-david

Member
rosends said:
Its use in Ex 12:15 is as a verb - you (plural) shall nullify (tashbitu) grain from your houses.

Sh-v-t with 2 segols underneath (shEvEt) refers to the place of destruction or nullification or the ceasing, itself.
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Is this implying that The LORD God wants 'grain(s)' destroyed/nullified/taken out from the houses on Sabbath 'days'? But then where would the 'eating' be on those days if there are no 'grains' in the home?
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
david-david said:
Is this implying that The LORD God wants 'grain(s)' destroyed/nullified/taken out from the houses on Sabbath 'days'? But then where would the 'eating' be on those days if there are no 'grains' in the home?
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No, the opposite. The OP did make a mistake by writing grains, when he should have wrote "leavening". But his point is that the root word in that instance is a verb not a noun, and is referring to the act of removing or destroying the leavening and not a reference to the day of the week or time of the year, ie. not a reference to Sabbath days.
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
Tumah said:
No, the opposite. The OP did make a mistake by writing grains, when he should have wrote "leavening". But his point is that the root word in that instance is a verb not a noun, and is referring to the act of removing or destroying the leavening and not a reference to the day of the week or time of the year, ie. not a reference to Sabbath days.
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Thanks for the correction -- I was doing it from memory and couldn't remember the accurate term for s'or.
 
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