One Shepherd

OtherSheep · Sep 12, 2018

"Now, the tribes associated with each of the two nations
into which the Hebrews were about to be divided, were as follows:—

BETH-SAK.
1. Ephraim.... 6. Gad.
2. Manasseh. 7. Zebulun.
3. Dan........... 8. Asher.
4. Simeon..... 9. Issachar.
5. Reuben... 10. Naphtali.

HOUSE OF JUDAH.
11. Judah. 12. Benjamin. 13. Levi."
--Hannay, European and Other Race Origins.

The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel are only Beth-Sak.

And [Jesus] answering said, `I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'--{Matthew 15:24}

"Sent" is the word translated in some places as "Apostle". So then, Jesus is the Apostle to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. And under Him are His own sent ones, to the very same Lost Sheep.
The original plan never changed. Jesus sends again, His 11 to the world into which the Lost Sheep have been scattered, after His resurrection. Nothing changes after the resurrection, except for the fact that the world has been given a new way to be freed of its ongoing sin... Repent and then Keep Believing in the Authority of the Only Begotten Son: Do the Commandments He has Given. Build your house upon this rock, and the wind will have no effect at all.

OtherSheep · Sep 12, 2018

The Anointed said:
The tribe of Dan originated from Hushim

Only that part is verifiably true.
Some names exist in both Ham and Shem, btw...

Aaaannyway... According to the Bible...

Dan is a seafaring son of Israel, like unto the Danes. He traveled with the ships of Tyre, and his daughters married into the tribe of Hiram. Danites seem not only to have been sailors, but accomplished craftsmen. The credit given to something called Phoenician, seems to actually belong to Dan.

At the very early the time of Deborah, Dan's already a sailor.

Judges 5:16 "Why did they sit between the sheep-folds to hear the bleating of flocks for the divisions of Ruben? there were great searchings of heart. 17 Galaad is on the other side of Jordan where he pitched his tents; and why does Dan remain in ships? Aser sat down on the sea-coasts, and he will tabernacle at his ports."

Asher held ports from which Danites sailed... and does so, at the time of the end, too.

Genesis 49:20 Aser, his bread shall be fat; and he shall yield dainties to princes.

Here's why...

Isaiah 23:1 "Howl, ye ships of Carthage; for she has perished, and men no longer arrive from the land of the Citians: she is led captive. 2 To whom are the dwellers in the island become like, the merchants of Phoenice, passing over the sea 3 in great waters, a generation of merchants? as when the harvest is gathered in, so are these traders with the nations. 4 Be ashamed, O Sidon: the sea has said, yea, the strength of the sea has said, I have not travailed, nor brought forth, nor have I brought up young men, nor reared virgins. 5 Moreover when it shall be heard in Egypt, sorrow shall seize them for Tyre. 6 Depart ye to Carthage; howl, ye that dwell in this island. 7 Was not this your pride from the beginning, before she was given up? 8 Who has devised this counsel against Tyre? Is she inferior? or has she no strength? her merchants were the glorious princes of the earth. 9 The Lord of hosts has purposed to bring down all the pride of the glorious ones, and to disgrace every glorious thing on the earth. 10 Till thy land; for ships no more come out of Carthage. 11 And thy hand prevails no more by sea, which troubled kings: the Lord of hosts has given a command concerning Chanaan, to destroy the strength thereof. 12 And men shall say, Ye shall no longer at all continue to insult and injure the daughter of Sidon: and if thou depart to the Citians, neither there shalt thou have rest. 13 And if thou depart to the land of the Chaldeans, this also is laid waste by the Assyrians, for her wall is fallen. 14 Howl, ye ships of Carthage: for your strong hold is destroyed.

15 And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be left seventy years, as the time of a king, as the time of a man: and it shall come to pass after seventy years, that Tyre shall be as the song of a harlot. 16 Take a harp, go about, O city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; play well on the harp, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered. 17 And it shall come to pass after the seventy years, that God will visit Tyre, and she shall be again restored to her primitive state, and she shall be a mart for all the kingdoms of the world on the face of the earth. 18 And her trade and her gain shall be holiness to the Lord: it shall not be gathered for them, but for those that dwell before the Lord, even all her trade, to eat and drink and be filled, and for a covenant and a memorial before the Lord."

If LXX Carthage is KJV Tarshish, this prophecy has been fulfilled. And Tyre is become held by the children of Israel... not Phoenicians... if ever by Hamite Phoenicians... KJV renders the word Zidon, not Phoenice... as a city-state, never a country. When Israel was led away captive, the so-called Phoenicians disappear, and Greece became queen of the seas. Don't we have to look for Dan amongst the sailors, and current queen of the sea? Nature is nature. Dan is both judge and sailor, even to this day... and he will bite the heal of the horses of the apocalypse... and be saved by the Lord he has always sought, according to prophecy.

The Truth Is Out There.

The Anointed · Sep 13, 2018

OtherSheep said:
Only that part is verifiably true.
Some names exist in both Ham and Shem, btw...

Aaaannyway... According to the Bible...

Dan is a seafaring son of Israel, like unto the Danes. He traveled with the ships of Tyre, and his daughters married into the tribe of Hiram. Danites seem not only to have been sailors, but accomplished craftsmen. The credit given to something called Phoenician, seems to actually belong to Dan.

At the very early the time of Deborah, Dan's already a sailor.

Judges 5:16 "Why did they sit between the sheep-folds to hear the bleating of flocks for the divisions of Ruben? there were great searchings of heart. 17 Galaad is on the other side of Jordan where he pitched his tents; and why does Dan remain in ships? Aser sat down on the sea-coasts, and he will tabernacle at his ports."

Asher held ports from which Danites sailed... and does so, at the time of the end, too.

Genesis 49:20 Aser, his bread shall be fat; and he shall yield dainties to princes.

Here's why...

Isaiah 23:1 "Howl, ye ships of Carthage; for she has perished, and men no longer arrive from the land of the Citians: she is led captive. 2 To whom are the dwellers in the island become like, the merchants of Phoenice, passing over the sea 3 in great waters, a generation of merchants? as when the harvest is gathered in, so are these traders with the nations. 4 Be ashamed, O Sidon: the sea has said, yea, the strength of the sea has said, I have not travailed, nor brought forth, nor have I brought up young men, nor reared virgins. 5 Moreover when it shall be heard in Egypt, sorrow shall seize them for Tyre. 6 Depart ye to Carthage; howl, ye that dwell in this island. 7 Was not this your pride from the beginning, before she was given up? 8 Who has devised this counsel against Tyre? Is she inferior? or has she no strength? her merchants were the glorious princes of the earth. 9 The Lord of hosts has purposed to bring down all the pride of the glorious ones, and to disgrace every glorious thing on the earth. 10 Till thy land; for ships no more come out of Carthage. 11 And thy hand prevails no more by sea, which troubled kings: the Lord of hosts has given a command concerning Chanaan, to destroy the strength thereof. 12 And men shall say, Ye shall no longer at all continue to insult and injure the daughter of Sidon: and if thou depart to the Citians, neither there shalt thou have rest. 13 And if thou depart to the land of the Chaldeans, this also is laid waste by the Assyrians, for her wall is fallen. 14 Howl, ye ships of Carthage: for your strong hold is destroyed.

15 And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be left seventy years, as the time of a king, as the time of a man: and it shall come to pass after seventy years, that Tyre shall be as the song of a harlot. 16 Take a harp, go about, O city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; play well on the harp, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered. 17 And it shall come to pass after the seventy years, that God will visit Tyre, and she shall be again restored to her primitive state, and she shall be a mart for all the kingdoms of the world on the face of the earth. 18 And her trade and her gain shall be holiness to the Lord: it shall not be gathered for them, but for those that dwell before the Lord, even all her trade, to eat and drink and be filled, and for a covenant and a memorial before the Lord."

If LXX Carthage is KJV Tarshish, this prophecy has been fulfilled. And Tyre is become held by the children of Israel... not Phoenicians... if ever by Hamite Phoenicians... KJV renders the word Zidon, not Phoenice... as a city-state, never a country. When Israel was led away captive, the so-called Phoenicians disappear, and Greece became queen of the seas. Don't we have to look for Dan amongst the sailors, and current queen of the sea? Nature is nature. Dan is both judge and sailor, even to this day... and he will bite the heal of the horses of the apocalypse... and be saved by the Lord he has always sought, according to prophecy.

The Truth Is Out There.

The last verse from the Testament of Dan to his progeny through his adopted daughter Hushim.

And when he had said these things he kissed them, and fell asleep at a good old age. And his sons buried him, And after that they carried up his bones, and placed them near Abraham, and 3 Isaac, and Jacob. [Nevertheless, Dan prophesied unto them that they should forget their God, and should be alienated from the land of their inheritance and from the race of Israel, and from the family of their seed.]

The descendants of Dan were of the seed of Shaharaim the Benjaminite through his adopted daughter who was the first born child of Reuben the first born of Israel

Dan who was a brother tribe to Benjamin, was unable to remove the original inhabitance of the Land that was allocated to that tribe, who were then forced to live with their brother tribe Benjamin, which tribe was destroyed when Benjamin jumped the wall and was caught between two forces of Israel who slaughtered every man, woman and child of that tribe, [See Judges 20: 48] the only survivors were the 600 members of his brother tribe Dan, they were given six hundred virgins, who were taken by force and that is rape in any man's language.

After they lost the land in which they had lived, which was divided up, they took their six hundred wives their children and all their possessions, [They were not coming back] kidnapping Jonathan the Grandson of Moses the Levite as their priest and thieving the silver idol of Micah, which I believe was that of an eagle, a most prominent creature in the hill country of Ephraim, they moved into the land of Sidon where they become seafaring merchants, etc.

Having destroyed the 12th tribe, a pseudo tribe of Benjamin arose from Benjaminite women who had married into the tribe of Judah.

IMHO, I see in that story, the foundation of Rome. The two brothers who were suckled by a mother wolf, one dying when he leapt the wall, the rape of the Sabine women, etc The surviving brother establishing Rome.

It is no wonder that Paul, whose mother was a Roman citizen and whose father was from the pseudo tribe of Benjamin, was chosen to replace Judas Iscariot, the 12th disciple from the pseudo tribe of Benjamin, who like the 12th tribe was predestined to be lost, was sent into Rome to gather in the required number of Gentiles to replace the tribe of Benjamin.

The name Iscariot means, 'Man of Kerioth' and after their return from captivity, the pseudo tribe of Benjamin was given the land of Kerioth-Hazor.

OtherSheep · Sep 13, 2018

The Anointed said:
The last verse from the Testament of Dan to his progeny through his adopted daughter Hushim.

... and written by someone who obviously doesn't want the Lost Tribes to ever be found. Someone who says that they're dead to him. Defamation of the character of Dan cannot end up well for either of you. The kingdom was still wrenched out of the hand of Judaeans, and given to a nation which will bear good fruit in its season.

Only His Sheep Hear His Voice.

The Anointed · Sep 13, 2018

OtherSheep said:
... and written by someone who obviously doesn't want the Lost Tribes to ever be found. Someone who says that they're dead to him. Defamation of the character of Dan cannot end up well for either of you. The kingdom was still wrenched out of the hand of Judaeans, and given to a nation which will bear good fruit in its season.

Only His Sheep Hear His Voice.

Zechahiah 11: 12-17; “If you are willing, give me my wages. But if not, keep them.” So they paid me thirty pieces of silver as my wages.

The Lord said to me, “cast it unto the potter: that goodly price that I was priced at by them.” So I took the thirty pieces of silver---and cast it to the potter in the house of the Lord. -------------------

And the Lord said to me, “Now take the instruments of a foolish shepherd. For I will now raise up a shepherd in the world, which shall not visit those that are cut off, neither shall he seek the little ones, nor heal them that are broken, nor feed them that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws to pieces.

Woe to that idol shepherd that leaves the flock! The sword shall be on his arm, and upon his right eye: His arm shall be clean dried, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.”

O! You shepherd of the darkness who claim God sent You out
And even though we know that’s true, that fact I wouldn’t flout
For God commanded Zechariah, “Throw my wages ‘cross the floor,
Those thirty bits of silver, for I’ll guide this flock no more
A worthless shepherd now I’ll raise to guide this stubborn flock
And he will be a useless one, of him I’ll take no stock
For he’ll not feed my little ones, nor search for them that’s lost
But he eats the meat of the fattest sheep. And their hoofs? He tears them off
That worthless shepherd, he is doomed for abandoning my flock
His power, will I destroy by war, his arm will wither dry, then drop
And his right eye will I turn Blind, that’s why he’s never seen
The passage where I speak of him, Zechariah eleven—twelve to seventeen.

Yes! The Lord God has abandoned the Jews and has risen up another Shepherd in the Land. But a worthless shepherd who has sat down in the throne of Christ and claims to be Christ.

Popes who claim to be God

2ndpillar · Sep 13, 2018

The Anointed said:
Zechahiah 11: 12-17; “If you are willing, give me my wages. But if not, keep them.” So they paid me thirty pieces of silver as my wages.

The Lord said to me, “cast it unto the potter: that goodly price that I was priced at by them.” So I took the thirty pieces of silver---and cast it to the potter in the house of the Lord. -------------------

And the Lord said to me, “Now take the instruments of a foolish shepherd. For I will now raise up a shepherd in the world, which shall not visit those that are cut off, neither shall he seek the little ones, nor heal them that are broken, nor feed them that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws to pieces.

Woe to that idol shepherd that leaves the flock! The sword shall be on his arm, and upon his right eye: His arm shall be clean dried, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.”

O! You shepherd of the darkness who claim God sent You out
And even though we know that’s true, that fact I wouldn’t flout
For God commanded Zechariah, “Throw my wages ‘cross the floor,
Those thirty bits of silver, for I’ll guide this flock no more
A worthless shepherd now I’ll raise to guide this stubborn flock
And he will be a useless one, of him I’ll take no stock
For he’ll not feed my little ones, nor search for them that’s lost
But he eats the meat of the fattest sheep. And their hoofs? He tears them off
That worthless shepherd, he is doomed for abandoning my flock
His power, will I destroy by war, his arm will wither dry, then drop
And his right eye will I turn Blind, that’s why he’s never seen
The passage where I speak of him, Zechariah eleven—twelve to seventeen.

Yes! The Lord God has abandoned the Jews and has risen up another Shepherd in the Land. But a worthless shepherd who has sat down in the throne of Christ and claims to be Christ.

Popes who claim to be God

You kind of missed the mark. Zechariah 11 is about 3 shepherds who die in one generation/month (Zechariah 11:8). They were Paul (Zechariah 11:10), Judas (Zechariah 11:12-13), and Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16-17. Paul and Peter were the 2 "staffs" taken to "pasture" "the flock doomed to slaughter", which is the "Christian" church, which is built upon Peter and Paul. That would parallel Hosea 3, whereas the "Christian" church is the "adulteress", bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, "for many days", until "the sons of Israel will return" .

The Anointed · Sep 14, 2018

2ndpillar said:
You kind of missed the mark. Zechariah 11 is about 3 shepherds who die in one generation/month (Zechariah 11:8). They were Paul (Zechariah 11:10), Judas (Zechariah 11:12-13), and Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16-17. Paul and Peter were the 2 "staffs" taken to "pasture" "the flock doomed to slaughter", which is the "Christian" church, which is built upon Peter and Paul. That would parallel Hosea 3, whereas the "Christian" church is the "adulteress", bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, "for many days", until "the sons of Israel will return" .

And how do you equate the FIFTEEN pieces of silver paid for the adulteress in the book of Hosea, with the THIRTY pieces of silver paid as the wage for the Lord, which was then cast unto the potter in the temple treasury?

2ndpillar · Sep 14, 2018

The Anointed said:
And how do you equate the FIFTEEN pieces of silver paid for the adulteress in the book of Hosea, with the THIRTY pieces of silver paid as the wage for the Lord, which was then cast unto the potter in the temple treasury?

Read a little more carefully. The price was "fifteen shekels of silver and a homer and a half of barley", which has a value of fifteen shekels of silver, for a total value of 30 shekels of silver. One is equivalent to the other.

OtherSheep · Sep 14, 2018

The Anointed said:
Woe to that idol shepherd that leaves the flock! The sword shall be on his arm, and upon his right eye: His arm shall be clean dried, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.”

Popes who claim to be God

The jailers used to be chained to the ones they were guarding (I forget where I read it)... and the jailer would have represented the sword of Rome. Anyone in that predicament, for very long, could fit the bill.

The guys who were with Saul of Tarsus saw that "angel of light", and were able to lead him to Damascus... maybe they were only blind in one eye?
Good thing John saw the risen Jesus, or we'd all be in the dark.

The link, tho... that's a bit stunning, isn't it? Is it verifiably true?
Some say that from Paulinists came the Roman Catholics.

2ndpillar said:
the "Christian" church is the "adulteress"

Jezebel teaches that idolatry/spiritual-adultery is nowadays ok...

(1) by erasing idolatry from the 10 Commandments.(catechism)
(2) by saying all food is clean and idols are nothing.(Paulinism)

"This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men."--Matthew 15

The Anointed · Sep 15, 2018

OtherSheep said:
The jailers used to be chained to the ones they were guarding (I forget where I read it)... and the jailer would have represented the sword of Rome. Anyone in that predicament, for very long, could fit the bill.

The guys who were with Saul of Tarsus saw that "angel of light", and were able to lead him to Damascus... maybe they were only blind in one eye?
Good thing John saw the risen Jesus, or we'd all be in the dark.

The link, tho... that's a bit stunning, isn't it? Is it verifiably true?
Some say that from Paulinists came the Roman Catholics.

Jezebel teaches that idolatry/spiritual-adultery is nowadays ok...

(1) by erasing idolatry from the 10 Commandments.(catechism)
(2) by saying all food is clean and idols are nothing.(Paulinism)

"This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men."--Matthew 15

when the Pharisees gathered together to him, with some of the scribes, who had come from Jerusalem, they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands defiled, that is, unwashed…. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with hands defiled?”…. And he called the people to him again, and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: there is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a man are what defile him…. Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him, since it enters, not his heart but his stomach, and so passes on?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) (Mark 7:1-5, 14-19; RSV)

Foods that have been offered to Idols cannot defile you, but to eat such foods in front of those who are weak in the faith, could compromise that persons faith, so for their sake and their sake alone, one should not eat such foods in their presence.

2ndpillar · Sep 15, 2018

OtherSheep said:
The jailers used to be chained to the ones they were guarding (I forget where I read it)... and the jailer would have represented the sword of Rome. Anyone in that predicament, for very long, could fit the bill.

The guys who were with Saul of Tarsus saw that "angel of light", and were able to lead him to Damascus... maybe they were only blind in one eye?
Good thing John saw the risen Jesus, or we'd all be in the dark.

The link, tho... that's a bit stunning, isn't it? Is it verifiably true?
Some say that from Paulinists came the Roman Catholics.

Jezebel teaches that idolatry/spiritual-adultery is nowadays ok...

(1) by erasing idolatry from the 10 Commandments.(catechism)
(2) by saying all food is clean and idols are nothing.(Paulinism)

"This people draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and honoureth Me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men."--Matthew 15

The Roman church was instituted by the Roman emperor Constantine at his convened Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. As a foundation for that church, he built basilicas for Peter and Paul, who are the two horns like a lamb. As for eating unclean food, the cherry on top was the vision of Peter. Zechariah 13 talks about shameful visions, and the scattering of the sheep, which is referenced in Matthew 26:31-34, which referred to Peter specifically.

The Anointed · Sep 15, 2018

2ndpillar said:
The Roman church was instituted by the Roman emperor Constantine at his convened Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. As a foundation for that church, he built basilicas for Peter and Paul, who are the two horns like a lamb. As for eating unclean food, the cherry on top was the vision of Peter. Zechariah 13 talks about shameful visions, and the scattering of the sheep, which is referenced in Matthew 26:31-34, which referred to Peter specifically.

If you believe any of that, I suppose you also believe that the wise men visited the child Jesus in Bethlehem of Judaea as taught by St Hellena, the mother of St Constantine, according to the Roman church.
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2ndpillar · Sep 15, 2018

The Anointed said:
If you believe any of that, I suppose you also believe that the wise men visited the child Jesus in Bethlehem of Judaea as taught by St Hellena, the mother of St Constantine, according to the Roman church.
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Constantine is a saint per the Eastern church, not the Roman church. The Roman church probably had trouble making a wife and son killer out as being a saint. As for the story of the "magi", that will be found in Matthew 2. Your "St Hellena" over ran Jerusalem with her entourage, and built her fortresses, or churches, which still stand today. They are now known as the Disney lands of the East. You will find all the icons your heart may desire. You will probably find that many dictator types have had over bearing mothers. Constantine's real god, was the god of war, his mother's god, was Christianity. A religion your sect seems to claim part of.

The Anointed · Sep 16, 2018

2ndpillar said:
Constantine is a saint per the Eastern church, not the Roman church. The Roman church probably had trouble making a wife and son killer out as being a saint. As for the story of the "magi", that will be found in Matthew 2. Your "St Hellena" over ran Jerusalem with her entourage, and built her fortresses, or churches, which still stand today. They are now known as the Disney lands of the East. You will find all the icons your heart may desire. You will probably find that many dictator types have had over bearing mothers. Constantine's real god, was the god of war, his mother's god, was Christianity. A religion your sect seems to claim part of.

And according to her, the wise men were in the town of Bethlehem before Mary had performed the ceremony of purification, this is why the Roman church and her denominational daughters have the wise men at the stable with the shepherds, where as Matthew reveals that they had seen the heavenly sign that had heralded the birth of Jesus in 6 BC, two years before the death of Herod in the spring of 4 BC.

Herod called the visitors to a secret meeting and enquired of them the exact time that they had seen the star. When he realized that the wise men were not coming back, he ordered the slaughter of all the boys who were two years and below. This was done in accordance with what he had learned from the visitors about the time that the star had first appeared.

2ndpillar · Sep 16, 2018

The Anointed said:
And according to her, the wise men were in the town of Bethlehem before Mary had performed the ceremony of purification, this is why the Roman church and her denominational daughters have the wise men at the stable with the shepherds, where as Matthew reveals that they had seen the heavenly sign that had heralded the birth of Jesus in 6 BC, two years before the death of Herod in the spring of 4 BC.

Herod called the visitors to a secret meeting and enquired of them the exact time that they had seen the star. When he realized that the wise men were not coming back, he ordered the slaughter of all the boys who were two years and below. This was done in accordance with what he had learned from the visitors about the time that the star had first appeared.

You forgot to mention what heavenly planetary sign, when it occurred, and why the magi would respond

OtherSheep · Sep 16, 2018

2ndpillar said:
As for eating unclean food, the cherry on top was the vision of Peter.

The words of an unknown compiler ^ ... against this:

John 17:6 "I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou gavest them Me; and they have kept Thy word. ...
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in Me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me."

What to do, what to do... believe Jesus, or some-Luke-guy.
Do we take Jesus' word for it, that none were lost but Judas...
or believe Luke-the-fellow-traveller of the man who taught Paulianity?

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

I submit to you my theory... that Luke's stuff was written in order to bolster the heresy of Saul of Tarsus. And that by claiming that Peter caved, he hoped to gain his buddy Saul some converts... who would think that if Peter's religion had changed, it's ok to follow his lead. Their whole plan being that the gentiles would be kept from entering the Kingdom of God, by following their made-up gospel. Saul the Pharisee was one those of whom Jesus said they shut the doors to the Kingdom of Heaven... another prophecy fulfilled. In fact, Jesus warns us time and again, about a wolf-pack led by Lucos and Benjamite. Do we hear Him? I, for one, do.

2ndpillar said:
and the scattering of the sheep, which is referenced in Matthew 26:31-34, which referred to Peter specifically.

The scattering of sheep was never only about Peter... obviously.

Here's your quote, 2ndpillar:

Matthew 26:31 "Then saith Jesus unto them, 'All ye shall be offended {stumbled} because of Me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. 32 But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.'
26:33 Peter answered and said unto Him, 'Though all [men] shall be offended because of Thee, [yet] will I never be offended.'
26:34 Jesus said unto him, 'Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny Me thrice.'"
{meaning: smite the shepherd (John 19:11), scattered abroad (in the verses below). Remember, that the Holy Spirit had not yet given them understanding, even though they had been told.}

John 20:2 "Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, 'They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid Him.'
20:4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that He must rise again from the dead.
20:10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
{meaning: They believed Mary when she said Jesus had been taken away, and they went home.}
{John's Gospel is written with understanding... which came to the 11 by the breath of Jesus (20:22)... along with the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt.16:19 wasn't said only to Peter, as shown here).} People see what they want to see, so then... want to see the truth.

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world.' Amen."
{meaning: (1) Announcement of His Kingdom, (2) The Scattering of the Sheep, and (3) the Teaching of the Kingdom Gospel.}

All I can do is hope this helps someone... but, probably someone else.

2ndpillar · Sep 16, 2018

OtherSheep said:
The words of an unknown compiler ^ ... against this:

John 17:6 "I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest Me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou gavest them Me; and they have kept Thy word. ...
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in Me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me."

What to do, what to do... believe Jesus, or some-Luke-guy.
Do we take Jesus' word for it, that none were lost but Judas...
or believe Luke-the-fellow-traveller of the man who taught Paulianity?

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

I submit to you my theory... that Luke's stuff was written in order to bolster the heresy of Saul of Tarsus. And that by claiming that Peter caved, he hoped to gain his buddy Saul some converts... who would think that if Peter's religion had changed, it's ok to follow his lead. Their whole plan being that the gentiles would be kept from entering the Kingdom of God, by following their made-up gospel. Saul the Pharisee was one those of whom Jesus said they shut the doors to the Kingdom of Heaven... another prophecy fulfilled. In fact, Jesus warns us time and again, about a wolf-pack led by Lucos and Benjamite. Do we hear Him? I, for one, do.

The scattering of sheep was never only about Peter... obviously.

Here's your quote, 2ndpillar:

Matthew 26:31 "Then saith Jesus unto them, 'All ye shall be offended {stumbled} because of Me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. 32 But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.'
26:33 Peter answered and said unto Him, 'Though all [men] shall be offended because of Thee, [yet] will I never be offended.'
26:34 Jesus said unto him, 'Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny Me thrice.'"
{meaning: smite the shepherd (John 19:11), scattered abroad (in the verses below). Remember, that the Holy Spirit had not yet given them understanding, even though they had been told.}

John 20:2 "Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, 'They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid Him.'
20:4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that He must rise again from the dead.
20:10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
{meaning: They believed Mary when she said Jesus had been taken away, and they went home.}
{John's Gospel is written with understanding... which came to the 11 by the breath of Jesus (20:22)... along with the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt.16:19 wasn't said only to Peter, as shown here).} People see what they want to see, so then... want to see the truth.

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world.' Amen."
{meaning: (1) Announcement of His Kingdom, (2) The Scattering of the Sheep, and (3) the Teaching of the Kingdom Gospel.}

All I can do is hope this helps someone... but, probably someone else.

You appear to be stumbling. Is it because of Paul, or Peter, who Yeshua called "Satan" and a "stumbling-block to Me" (Matthew 16:23). Somewhat like people believing 2 Peter, and that Paul was an okay guy and was a brother to Peter, or that Peter is the rock the church is built on. Or that the early Matthew 28 actually contained Matthew 28:19. There is no "Kingdom Gospel", there is only the message of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 4:17), which has not been preached (Matthew 24:14), nor understood (Matthew 13:13). Was Peter "lost" or was he just a "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:16-17)? As for the "keys to the kingdom" given to the one put in charge of the royal household (Isaiah 22:15-25), who would make himself "a resting place for your self in the rock", he would "shame" his "master's house", and be deposed, and cast into a "vast country" (Rome), and his heir (the pope), who would also have the key, which "when he opens no one will shut" (Isaiah 22:22), will "in that day" "fall" and those hanging onto him will be "cut off" (Isaiah 22:25). I am thinking the rocks you have built your house on are no more than sand (Matthew 7:24-27).

Should we believe Yeshua, who said if anyone denies me, I will deny them before my father in heaven.(Matthew 10:33). I think someone is being double minded.

The Anointed · Sep 16, 2018

2ndpillar said:
You appear to be stumbling. Is it because of Paul, or Peter, who Yeshua called "Satan" and a "stumbling-block to Me" (Matthew 16:23). Somewhat like people believing 2 Peter, and that Paul was an okay guy and was a brother to Peter, or that Peter is the rock the church is built on. Or that the early Matthew 28 actually contained Matthew 28:19. There is no "Kingdom Gospel", there is only the message of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 4:17), which has not been preached (Matthew 24:14), nor understood (Matthew 13:13). Was Peter "lost" or was he just a "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:16-17)? As for the "keys to the kingdom" given to the one put in charge of the royal household (Isaiah 22:15-25), who would make himself "a resting place for your self in the rock", he would "shame" his "master's house", and be deposed, and cast into a "vast country" (Rome), and his heir (the pope), who would also have the key, which "when he opens no one will shut" (Isaiah 22:22), will "in that day" "fall" and those hanging onto him will be "cut off" (Isaiah 22:25). I am thinking the rocks you have built your house on are no more than sand (Matthew 7:24-27).

Should we believe Yeshua, who said if anyone denies me, I will deny them before my father in heaven.(Matthew 10:33). I think someone is being double minded.

The Anointed...….. Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; " I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put MY WORDS in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to MY WORDS that the prophet speaks in my name."

2ndpillar wrote...……. Should we believe Yeshua, who said if anyone denies me, I will deny them before my father in heaven.(Matthew 10:33). I think someone is being double minded.

The Anointed....... Whose words were they, that came from the mouth of the prophet Jesus, if not the words of God's only begotten Son, 'The Son of Man?' Who Abraham chose as his God.

The God who spoke to Moses in Exodus 6: 2-3; saying; "I am the Lord, I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as Almighty God, but my name 'The Lord/JHWH' I did not make myself known to them.

The God who said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; "Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; " I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put MY WORDS in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to MY WORDS that the prophet speaks in my name."

OtherSheep · Sep 16, 2018

2ndpillar said:
There is no "Kingdom Gospel", there is only the message of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 4:17), which has not been preached (Matthew 24:14), nor understood (Matthew 13:13).

4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people... KJV

9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. {context matters}

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4:23 From that time began Jesus to proclaim and to say, 'Reform ye, for come nigh hath the reign of the heavens.'--YLT {the Greek word basileia, is either reign or kingdom}
9:35 And Jesus was going up and down all the cities and the villages, teaching in their synagogues, and proclaiming the good news of the reign, and healing every sickness and every malady among the people. {does it have to be called good news, or is that a given?}

2ndpillar · Sep 16, 2018

OtherSheep said:
4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people... KJV

9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. {context matters}

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4:23 From that time began Jesus to proclaim and to say, 'Reform ye, for come nigh hath the reign of the heavens.'--YLT {the Greek word basileia, is either reign or kingdom}
9:35 And Jesus was going up and down all the cities and the villages, teaching in their synagogues, and proclaiming the good news of the reign, and healing every sickness and every malady among the people. {does it have to be called good news, or is that a given?}

The "gospel of the kingdom" is not the "Kingdom gospel", which carries different connotations. When you "follow me" (Matthew 19:21) and preach the kingdom of heaven is at hand, and heal the sick and raise the dead (Matthew 10:7), then you can say that you preach the kingdom of heaven. I don't think you have even taken the first initial step (Matthew 19:21).

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