Mormons and Hebrew documents.

Flankerl said:

"Reformed Egyptian" is not a thing.
It is entirely made up.

A lie.

Why wouldn't it be in Aramaic? Or Hebrew? Oh wait these two languages actually exist(ed) and people could fact-check the texts.

That would be a real bummer.

Joseph Smith was so smart. He realised that he was surrounded by complete idiots.

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As I said in my Post #19, "The internet brings out the worst in people, and the subject of Mormonism brings out the worst of the worst. I'm trying to save myself from unnecessary frustration these days."

Katzpur said:

Now, jump forward almost 100 years. In 1933, the Plates of Darius I were discovered in a stone box in a palace in Persia. They dated from about the same time as the earliest Book of Mormon plates. Half of the plates were gold and half were silver. They were very similar in appearance to the plates Joseph Smith had described. Since then, a number of other ancient records have been discovered -- all of them written on metal plates, any many deposited in stone boxes. They are on display at museums throughout the world (Chicago, Tehran, Lima, Rome, and Paris). What is significant is that archaeologists now know that it was common for ancient people in various parts of the world to record their histories and other important information in this way

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That is absolutely dumb.

First of all: NO ONE except Mormons gives a crap about these plates.

And you wanna know why? Because they are just plates. They weren't used widely like you suggested.

The so called Etruscan Books are 6 copper plates, with around 50 characters on one side.
Characters. Not sentences or even words.

Nothing even remotely close to that has been found in the Americas.

Well except of course for the Kinderhook Plates.
They were proudly presented and translated by the Mormons.

Completely true they were.


Well then the guys who "found them" came forward, it was just a hoax and the Mormons fell for it.
And suddenly the Plates weren't mentioned in Mormon media anymore.


I wonder why.


Perhaps stop reading only Mormon sources.

Katzpur said:

As I said in my Post #19, "The internet brings out the worst in people, and the subject of Mormonism's origins brings out the worst of the worst. I'm trying to save myself from unnecessary frustration these days."

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It's not my fault that it is completely made up gibberish.
I know it's unfortunate that the Anthon Transcript exists that is in "Reformed Egyptian".

Complete gibberish.


Like I get it. Smith wanted to be the Mohammed of his time.
But dude at least be smart about it.

Jayhawker Soule said:

You confuse verification with validation while managing one of the most ignorant comments I've come across in my many years at RF.

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Why are you still here? Shouldn't you be banned? You insult and make fun of generally everyone and don't even contribute to the thread? Am I really the only one who notices that this guy has problems?

Anyway, I thought the video was kind of interesting. I know some think he was making it up, but who can say? There are many different legends in religion that some may consider fake, but legends almost always have some truth to them

Ellen Brown said:

I did go look up the presence of pre-Columbian Arabs in North America and the controversey still stews its way along.

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The only people arguing vigorously for the rocks not being forgeries are LDS, who have an emotional stake. But believe as you will. If you become a Mormon I will be happy for you. They are very good people.

Ellen Brown said:

Mormons have come under scrutiny because of the claim of the tablets that Joseph Smith Found.

Here is a video, new to me, at least verifying that tablets with rings were a normal part of Pre-Jesus record keeping. It is very interesting to me.

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The list of critiques against Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon has been shrinking rapidly over the last century and a half.

I believe it will continue to shrink until there are none.

Prestor John said:

The list of critiques against Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon has been shrinking rapidly over the last century and a half.

I believe it will continue to shrink until there are none.

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I hope it does, though the GA and I do not agree on some issues that precluded me from remaining a member. It is very painful and I do hope that someday things are different between they and I.

As to Heavenly Father, my devotion and obedience is all he requires. So the GA can be the way they are toward me here on Earth but not in Heaven.

When the Mormon Sisters found me, they were used by Heavenly Father to save a life and heal me of unspeakable pain.

Ellen Brown said:

I hope it does, though the GA and I do not agree on some issues that precluded me from remaining a member. It is very painful and I do hope that someday things are different between they and I.

As to Heavenly Father, my devotion and obedience is all he requires. So the GA can be the way they are toward me here on Earth but not in Heaven.

When the Mormon Sisters found me, they were used by Heavenly Father to save a life and heal me of unspeakable pain.

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Don't forget that you can always reach out to your local Ward and worship with them every Sunday.

It's all too easy for us to allow disagreements to impede our ability to forgive and grow.

I hope your journey is well and eventually brings you back to full fellowship.

Ellen Brown said:

Verifying? Of course it does because IMHO, Jews don't share about their history, or the rest of the world doesn't listen? I doubt that what the Christians do could be called scholarship.

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Are you sorting out the nonsense or creating it?

Richard Dunn said:

Are you sorting out the nonsense or creating it?

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I see a lot of nonsense and poor scholarship in Christian circles. Those who are mean people, tend to see God as mean. I've had enough of mean people.

Ellen Brown said:

Mormons have come under scrutiny because of the claim of the tablets that Joseph Smith Found.

Here is a video, new to me, at least verifying that tablets with rings were a normal part of Pre-Jesus record keeping. It is very interesting to me.

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The claim that these important scriptures were from Egypt (which the Bible calls the land of Ham) seems unlikely since Egypt was full of pagan images and false Gods.
All of Moses plagues were aimed at various Egyption false Gods

Ellen Brown said:

Mormons have come under scrutiny because of the claim of the tablets that Joseph Smith Found.

Here is a video, new to me, at least verifying that tablets with rings were a normal part of Pre-Jesus record keeping. It is very interesting to me.

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The flood of Noah would result in out of place technology since before the flood there could have been more advanced tech which could be lost

Now... the time before the flood was so wicked God destroyed it... and so the Mormon claim that there were many temples form the time to God is problematic