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Mormons and Hebrew documents.

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Mormons have come under scrutiny because of the claim of the tablets that Joseph Smith Found.

Here is a video, new to me, at least verifying that tablets with rings were a normal part of Pre-Jesus record keeping. It is very interesting to me.

 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Mormons have come under scrutiny because of the claim of the tablets that Joseph Smith Found.

Here is a video, new to me, at least verifying that tablets with rings were a normal part of Pre-Jesus record keeping. It is very interesting to me.

I don't know that Hebrew documents were commonly written in a secret language that required an angel to give you a magical stone to decode before reading, though.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Verifying? Of course it does because IMHO, Jews don't share about their history, or the rest of the world doesn't listen?
You confuse verification with validation while managing one of the most ignorant comments I've come across in my many years at RF.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I don't know that Hebrew documents were commonly written in a secret language that required an angel to give you a magical stone to decode before reading, though.


I'm no Mormon, but you can devote some critical thought to this? Those tablets were likely in pre-Hebrew, or Aramaic or something else. Joseph Smith did not speak any of those languages. So, perhaps something else, like a symbolic stone? Not saying that was a true way to do it, but just giving someone a little break here.

His detractors seem to get a lot of mileage out of calling him a crook and a swindler over the building of the Kirtland Temple, and the failure of his bank. Study a little history. His Bank failure came at the beginning of the 1838 Depression in which many, hundreds perhaps, banks failed, and later banks had to be federally approved.

I AM angered at the lack of obedience to the Book of Jacob, Chapter two, where he is sternly admonished and prohibited from having more than one wife. And no, I won't just get over that. I know people who came from Polygamous families ...

I am surprised that you would take a poke at Mormons because the Catholic Church has its own share of things hard to defend.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
I also found some tablets but no one is allowed to see them and when the first copy of my book vanishes I declare that I can't recreate this copy because reasons!

I am not a liar. That would be ridiculous. Some friends of mine saw these tablets, with their spiritual eyes!

Why are you looking at me like that?



Apart from that: Tablets being used to record entire books? How big was the whole Smith dug? And how did he manage to fit all those tablets into his house?
Also Tablets weren't even used anymore when Jews became a thing.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Verifying? Of course it does because IMHO, Jews don't share about their history, or the rest of the world doesn't listen? I doubt that what the Christians do could be called scholarship.
Jewish history is there for anyone who wants to study it.

The LDS religion is built upon sheer faith. There is no verifying it. The original tablets disappeared

One of the LDS' great problems is that they claim the Native Americans are Israelites, yet DNA evidence conclusively shows that the Native Americans have no Semitic ancestry (including the Cherokees). All the so-called evidence of Hebrew influence in Native art and such, such as the famous tablet of the ten commandments, are Mormon forgeries.
 
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Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Jewish history is there for anyone who wants to study it.

The LDS religion is built upon sheer faith. There is no verifying it. The original tablets disappeared

One of the LDS' great problems is that they claim the Native Americans are Israelites, yet DNA evidence conclusively shows that the Native Americans have no Semitic ancestry (including the Cherokees). All the so-called evidence of Hebrew influence in Native art and such, such as the famous tablet of the ten commandments, are Mormon forgeries.


They have the same freedom to practice their beliefs as you do. It does not matter what we think of it.

Oddly, there is obscure evidence of Arabic speakers (Muslims or Arab traders???) having been in the upper Florida area and along the Mississippi. There were Arabic words in the Native American language in Florida, and Arabic inscribed on stone along the Mississippi. A few years ago, there was bitter arguing about it and I have not heard how it came out.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
They have the same freedom to practice their beliefs as you do. It does not matter what we think of it.

Oddly, there is obscure evidence of Arabic speakers (Muslims or Arab traders???) having been in the upper Florida area and along the Mississippi. There were Arabic words in the Native American language in Florida, and Arabic inscribed on stone along the Mississippi. A few years ago, there was bitter arguing about it and I have not heard how it came out.
Of course they have the right. And quite honestly, you will never find a better example of ethical monotheists than the LDS -- which is something I support. If you decided to become LDS, I would certainly understand why.

As to Arabic words, any that exist are purely coincidental. There is no etymological evidence of a link. And I think you meant to say Aramaic or Hebrew. I believe the 10 tribes existed before the existence of Aramaic (and Arabic).

There are of course modern adaptations from many different languages since the arrival of Europeans.

I already told you that the stone carvings were Mormon forgeries.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Of course they have the right. And quite honestly, you will never find a better example of ethical monotheists than the LDS -- which is something I support. If you decided to become LDS, I would certainly understand why.

As to Arabic words, any that exist are purely coincidental. There is no etymological evidence of a link. And I think you meant to say Aramaic or Hebrew. I believe the 10 tribes existed before the existence of Aramaic (and Arabic).

There are of course modern adaptations from many different languages since the arrival of Europeans.

I already told you that the stone carvings were Mormon forgeries.


I did go look up the presence of pre-Columbian Arabs in North America and the controversey still stews its way along.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Mormons have come under scrutiny because of the claim of the tablets that Joseph Smith Found.

Here is a video, new to me, at least verifying that tablets with rings were a normal part of Pre-Jesus record keeping. It is very interesting to me.

The Book of Mormon, was translated by Joseph Smith, Jr., then a 23-year old boy with a third-grade education. His background was in farming. He lived in rural New York state in 1830 and had no knowledge of ancient cultures, either American or Middle-eastern. Joseph claimed that the record he translated was written on plates that had the appearance of gold. They were etched with strange characters which resembled Egyptian hieroglyphics and were bound together using metal rings, like a book. They had been stored in a large stone box and buried for centuries in a hillside near his home. When Joseph described these plates, he immediately became the laughing stock of upstate New York. Egyptian letters engraved on gold plates and hidden in a stone box! How could anything be so ludicrous? No one had ever heard of such a thing, and so of course it was dismissed as not only far-fetched but as virtually impossible.

Now, jump forward almost 100 years. In 1933, the Plates of Darius I were discovered in a stone box in a palace in Persia. They dated from about the same time as the earliest Book of Mormon plates. Half of the plates were gold and half were silver. They were very similar in appearance to the plates Joseph Smith had described. Since then, a number of other ancient records have been discovered -- all of them written on metal plates, any many deposited in stone boxes. They are on display at museums throughout the world (Chicago, Tehran, Lima, Rome, and Paris). What is significant is that archaeologists now know that it was common for ancient people in various parts of the world to record their histories and other important information in this way. Joseph Smith didn't know this, and yet, in spite of all the ridicule, he never changed his story. History has now vindicated his claims in this regard.

Aside from this comment, which pertains directly to the OP, I will likely not continue to post on this thread. I've had conversations on this subject so many times I can't even begin to count them, and without exception, they've been a total waste of my time. The internet brings out the worst in people, and the subject of Mormonism brings out the worst of the worst. I'm trying to save myself from unnecessary frustration these days.
 
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Flankerl

Well-Known Member
"Reformed Egyptian" is not a thing.
It is entirely made up.

A lie.

Why wouldn't it be in Aramaic? Or Hebrew? Oh wait these two languages actually exist(ed) and people could fact-check the texts.

That would be a real bummer.

Joseph Smith was so smart. He realised that he was surrounded by complete idiots.
 
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