The passages in the Bible mean end of an Era, or end of times. Not the end of the world. Many things tell us those times have changed as promised.
The greatest proof is that Isreal has seen the return of the Jews.
Regards Tony
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There Have Been 144 Major Earthquakes in the Last Week.
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The passages in the Bible mean end of an Era, or end of times. Not the end of the world. Many things tell us those times have changed as promised.
The greatest proof is that Isreal has seen the return of the Jews.
Regards Tony
Subduction Zone
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That is hardly "proof". Evidence at best and rather weak evidence at that.
Abdul'baha not only foretold and warned of it, he prepared and stocked supplies for the world war. As such he fed many during the war and was able to feed the Brittish Army that fought the Battle of Armageddon after it liberated the Holy land in one of the most miraculous battle in history.
Regards Tony
I would ask what other people have returned to the land they were dispossesed of?
That this was predicted for the Jews is proof to those that wish to see.
Regards Tony
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Just confirmation bias I am afraid. You have heard of the Babylonian captivity, haven't you?
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I was making a general point in response to the post I was replying to, not specifically to the OP.
The Bias is not looking further. The Bible notes many signs and that is but one of many.
Now, if that was the only thing that happened, then it could be said to be bias, but as many other events have coincided, it then becomes a viable mathimatical probability.
Regards Tony
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Again, what evidence do you have that the incidence of any of these "signs" are increasing?
Subduction Zone
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The problem is that the "signs" are not signs. Earthquakes happen all of the time. There are not sudden surges in their numbers. What has happened over the last 20 years is an increase in detection abilities, not in the number of quakes.
A prophecy of "you will see a white car" is not very amazing, nor is the prediction that there will be thousands of low level earthquakes over a year long period. There really is nothing that I have ever seen that indicates the prophecy of the Bible have come true. Where I have seen definite failed prophecies in the Bible.
Orbit
I'm a planet
My mom was convinced that the world was going to end in 1982, based on Hal Lindsey's analysis of Bible prophecy in his book "The Late Great Planet Earth". Never happened, but it sold a lot of books and scared a lot of people. It seems to just happen over and over again. I'm reminded of the sociological classic "When Prophecy Fails". (mumbled excuses and a new end date, repeat)
Watch the news, look at this world and compare it to the morality Christs has asked us to live.
Regards Tony
Wow! You almost sound like a Witness.
(I meant that to be friendly, you know.)
The way we interpret scripture (i.e. the Bible) is that "Jews" as a fleshly nation were rejected by God because of their repeated failure to keep their covenants with God. Their final act of defiance was in orchestrating the murder of Jesus Christ who had already proclaimed that their house would be "abandoned". Failing to heed God's prophets and silencing them was an entrenched attitude with them, but it was about to come to an end. (Matthew 23:37-39)
In order to keep his part of the covenant made with that unfaithful nation, God kept them in existence until he had fulfilled his promise to produce the Messiah through their fleshly lineage. Once Christ had fulfilled his role, God gave those Jews, who identified Jesus as the promised one, first option to benefit from the "new covenant" that had been promised through Jeremiah. (Jeremiah 31:31-32) The old covenant with Israel was abolished when Christ died.
The apostle Paul identified both Jewish and Gentile members of the Christian congregation as "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16)
This is spiritual Israel, not the fleshly nation. (Romans 2:28-29)
The "land" occupied by literal Israel today is not so special now because Christianity is global and Christians are told to be no part of this world and its political conflicts. Who can deny that the so called "holy land" is nothing but a hotbed of violence and bloodshed. This, we believe is part of God's abandonment of the fleshly nation to become like the rest of the nations; it demonstrates that they do not have God's blessing or protection.
We do not believe that the "Israel of God" are those who rejected Christ.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
If you google "a brief history of the Apocalypse" there's a site that catalogues the most well known examples of this from the last several thousand years. All predictions made in earnest by genuinely convinced people, all subsequently proven wrong. It's quite a track record. In my own life I've known people utterly convinced that the Bible "clearly prophesied" Gorbachev, Saddam Hussein, and Barrack Obama as the antichrist and proof the end of the world was upon us. All wrong.
Like I said to @Deeje before, the world WILL end eventually, somehow. But given the vast history of spectacular failures of such prophecies in the past, by people just as sincere and sure of their reading of whatever their source was, it's going to take a bit more than "lots of bad stuff is happening" to convince me.
Lots of bad stuff is ALWAYS happening. If anyone has evidence that the frequency of bad stuff is significantly increasing, great, that'd be one thing, but whenever I ask for such evidence in these sorts of discussions (which I've been having for over 20 years on and off) there's always some excuse for why I shouldn't ask.
I know dear friend. My best mate is a JW and we have had some great talks
He so longs for me to be a JW and I admire His Faith, you are good examples of what it is to be Christian.Regards Tony
Then we get to look at Mt Carmel which is promised to be bathed by the 'Glory of the Lord'
We get to consider a New Jerusalem and the law going out from Zion.
Regards Tony
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
see, that's not evidence of anything increasing. I say again, sure, there's plenty of bad stuff happening, but there's ALWAYS been bad stuff happening. What makes you think any of the bad stuff happening now is any more significant than anything previously?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So you do not even understand the concept of evidence. No wonder you are confused. When it comes to violence, the world is better off now than it was in the past. The reason that it does not seem that way on the news is that violence is more interesting than peace. This website makes it obvious:Then we get to look at Mt Carmel which is promised to be bathed by the 'Glory of the Lord'
We get to consider a New Jerusalem and the law going out from Zion.
Regards Tony
The Visual History of Decreasing War and Violence
Here is the graph on the page that I linked:
